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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Prometeus

The drones have not helped the US win the war...they have had some success, but its no absolute solution...Most of the attacks according to reports are based largely on assumption...,US should understand one thing that,for every innocent child, woman or man killed by a American Drone, America makes 10,000 new enemies...and the Obama and teams throw their point of "government has to protect its citizens to the best of means' into the dustbin ,If that case is to be applied then every country in this world will be at war !




Drones reduce the costs of conflict to the country by eliminating the possibility of military casualties, so are military casualties less important than citizen causalities?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Prometeus

The drones have not helped the US win the war...they have had some success, but its no absolute solution...Most of the attacks according to reports are based largely on assumption...,US should understand one thing that,for every innocent child, woman or man killed by a American Drone, America makes 10,000 new enemies...and the Obama and teams throw their point of "government has to protect its citizens to the best of means' into the dustbin ,If that case is to be applied then every country in this world will be at war !



In your opinion, what should the US govt. do to combat terrorists that are hatching plans, that are being sheltered, that pose a grave danger not only to the US and many other countries around the world, but also to people around them... People that don't tow the line and embrace their rigid interpretation of religion?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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In your opinion, what should the US govt. do to combat terrorists that are hatching plans, that are being sheltered, that pose a grave danger not only to the US and many other countries around the world, but also to people around them... People that don't tow the line and embrace their rigid interpretation of religion?



I don't believe any religion has anything to do with terrorism! I believe in minimizing casualties and if that means we need to use drones then so be it.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Aarya-



I don't believe any religion has anything to do with terrorism! I believe in minimizing casualties and if that means we need to use drones there so be it.




I'd like to know how drones are supposed to minimize casualties. Military casualties? Maybe, for the time being but not in the long run when you're going to be fighting more, longer wars as a result of drones used today. Civilians seem to be more at risk than these terrorists they're trying to go after.

Drones aren't the answer to the issue really...how common are success stories of these strikes? Success as in they accomplish all they promise, we don't see dozens of civilians killed, and they actually took down an opposing militant or militant site?
Edited by McNinja - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Aarya-



I don't believe any religion has anything to do with terrorism! I believe in minimizing casualties and if that means we need to use drones there so be it.



That's my point too... No religion promotes terrorism, but the terrorists insist their interpretation is correct and everyone else tow their line! That is height of intolerance!

@Baazigar and Ninja: I am well aware of the points you raise, but neither of you answered my question - What in your opinion should the US do? Everybody is very quick in finding flaws in methods to curb violence and terrorism, but how many of us actually mull over solutions?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Baazigar & @McNinja: With or without drones the war on terrorism goes on, and it has been proven that fewer soldier have been put in harms way due to the use of drones. And one must always remember, that this is war and there are always innocent casualties in war. It's unavoidable. Whether the weapon of choice is drones or military personnel, there will be civilian casualties!

@ ipkknd_2011: May be they expect the US to stop everything and ask the terrorist to see if they would like a lawyer and then read them their rights. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Aarya-

@Baazigar & @McNinja: With or without drones the war on terrorism goes on, and it has been proven that fewer soldier have been put in harms way due to the use of drones. And one must always remember, that this is war and there are always innocent casualties in war. It's unavoidable. Whether the weapon of choice is drones or military personnel, there will be civilian casualties!

@ ipkknd_2011: May be they expect the US to stop everything and ask the terrorist to see if they would like a lawyer and then read them their rights. 😆


Which they did with the terrorists housed in Guantanamo. What good did that do? There was more attention given to the torture there and how human rights were violated. There was even a hue and cry about not treating the terrorists in accordance with the Geneva convention!

While I do not condone any type of torture, I have to admit that the terrorists have an upperhand in "guerilla wars". It is foolish to expect one side to play according to the rules of international humanitarian law when the other party cannot be contained with "civility"!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Baazigar.


((That's my point too... No religion promotes terrorism, but the terrorists insist their interpretation is correct and everyone else tow their line! That is height of intolerance!

@Baazigar and Ninja: I am well aware of the points you raise, but neither of you answered my question - What in your opinion should the US do? Everybody is very quick in finding flaws in methods to curb violence and terrorism, but how many of us actually mull over solutions? ))

When you are just supporting a mindless repeated drone attack where the causalities are many civilians, when you are just overlook 200 children death thousands civilian death in a sovereign independent country that will only breeding , hatred, fueling and nurturing more terrorism. When there is no care on civilian death then in my view terrorists saying just bomb them , here drone is saying just fire missile on them. This is the height of intolerance . The solution will not be repeated and continuous drone strike where a person seating in Nevada base and deciding fates of many civilians and just drone them is not the ultimate and only solution which they rely more and more in pakistan territory.

Here is one instance of war on terror:
CIA tactics in Pakistan include targeting rescuers and funerals

The mountains in the area contain chromite mines and the ownership was disputed between two tribes, so a Jirga or tribal meeting had been called to resolve the issue.

'We in the Pakistan military knew about the meeting', he said, 'we'd got the request ten days earlier.'

'It was held in broad daylight, people were sitting out in Nomada bus depot when the missile strikes came. Maybe there were one or two Taliban at that Jirga ' they have their people attending ' but does that justify a drone strike which kills 42 mostly innocent people?'

'Drones may make tactical gains but I don't see how there's any strategic advantage', he added. 'When innocent people die, then you're creating a whole lot more people with an issue

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/02/04/obama-terror-drones-cia-tactics-in-pakistan-include-targeting-rescuers-and-funerals/



Don't know who is quoted as "he said", but it appears its someone form the Pak military? If that's the case, the Pak military knew there were 1 or 2 Talibans in the gathering. Why did they not arrest them? That is the crux of the matter, the Pak govt. is allowing theTaliban and other terrorists freedom on their soil. The Pak govt. is also saying that they support US in efforts of rooting out terrorists. The Pak govt. is also accepting monetary aid from the US... Need I say more?

You still did not answer my original question. What in your opinion should the US do? I am in no way condoning the killing of innocent lives, but what is the alternative? As Araya said above, whether it is a war fought with people on ground or with drones, there will be collateral damage. As any intelligent army, the US is minimizing casualties to their own! Its high time Pak found a way to minimize casualties to its citizens too. It seems like people expect the US to empathise more with the innocent lives in Pak than the Pak govt. Why the double standards?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Baazigar.


You are saying there is no respect for international laws, Geneva convention, humanitarian law, respect for UN just because some terrorists dont respect them them ? then how will you difference between terrorists and policy of a civilized nation.


No. That is not what I am saying. I already stated that I don't condone torture ofany type! I am saying that the US has tried treating terrorists with dignity but it has done diddly-squat for them! What Iwant to know is do you have an alternative for the US army? Or, is your idea to put more boots on theground so the US army can suffer more casualties and hence the would have paid the price of trying to end terrorism?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ipkknd_2011


In your opinion, what should the US govt. do to combat terrorists that are hatching plans, that are being sheltered, that pose a grave danger not only to the US and many other countries around the world, but also to people around them... People that don't tow the line and embrace their rigid interpretation of religion?


Am not supporting any terrorist or terrorism but drone attacks that kill civilians and not so called terrorists..and its true that people think that a lot of terrorists were and are killed by using this technology... but who's answerable to those innocent people there who had been suffered or killed by those attacks .. By the name of terrorism,do you think govt/nation have right to kill the suspects by using drone ?? then its clear cut human rights violations ! my point is killing civilians and other innocent people r wrong, and I believe there should be a better way to handle the situation.
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