Freedom of expression/Inflaming religious senti's - Page 9

Originally posted by: wanker

FYI there's already a Quran made like that. It's called Al Furqan al-Haqq (The True Quran). Google it! Or did you just say Google is not trustworthy?

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

@ Aya: This particular movie may have crossed its line, abused freedom of expression, but what if a non-Muslim is presenting his honest opinions about Islam in proper manner - does he have the right to do it? What if a Muslim have some issues with Islam and decides to speak his mind in proper manner - does he have that right?

Zakir Naik critiques religious texts in his debates, he has spoken his mind against non-Muslims, people who wear "revealing" clothes, against gays and a hell lot more. If he can do that, and (some) Muslims can applaud him for that, then is it not only fair that someone else can do the same to Islam?

Basically, if a person can scrutinize and critique Islam and related issues in an academic and civilized manner, then does the person have the right to speak his mind? (Not badmouth the religion in ludicrous manner, but like in a debate platform?) Or is Islam an untouchable taboo that can't be scrutinized or critiqued at all? If it is so, then why is it okay for Muslims to do the same to other religions?

I'd like to hear your opinion.

Originally posted by: Rehanism

Yes, Allah does accept repentance for the 'sin' of not worshiping him exclusively or worshiping other gods, but then repentance, in Islamic lexicon, literally means conversion to Islam (which is the only religion acceptable to Allah). Which in turn means that non-Muslims are not innocent in Allah's eyes - they remain the worst of sinners unless they become Muslims - which was my point in the first place.

Whether you believe in Torah or Talmud or Quran, that's entirely your personal matter..I merely quoted the source of the verse with its historical text and context, that dates back several centuries before Muhammad..

Peace and liberty to you too..😊

Hypothetically assuming it is true that the Quran was a flawless document with perfect guidance for mankind narrated by Allah to Mohammed.

Still.

How many years ago was the Quran written? So despite generations of translations and passing on. Multitudes of interpretations and reworks, can we say with absolute positive certainty that the original integrity is perfectly intact? Can you be absolutely certain that the Quran you pickup and read today in 2012 is the genuine document first conceiver eons ago? Can you be absolutely certain that your ancestors who were ordinary human beings never corrupted it to serve their interpretations and world views.

If you believe in God as a creator, then most likely you believe in God giving us free will and consciousness. We were given brains with the ability to think complex matters, a conscience to be moral and compassionate to all, and faith to believe. If one believes in the creator God, then everything we need to navigate life is within us – in our brains, conscience, faith.

Why rely on humanly printed and preached documents, flawed human religious leaders when the actual divine creation is within oneself? Why reject God given gifts for man propagated belief systems?

I've always found that ironic about religion. On one hand you revere God on the other hand you reject God for books, preachers, sects, subsects, institutions, religion that are all man-made in current times.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

Zakir Naik critiques religious texts in his debates, he has spoken his mind against non-Muslims, people who wear "revealing" clothes, against gays and a hell lot more. If he can do that, and (some) Muslims can applaud him for that, then is it not only fair that someone else can do the same to Islam?

Originally posted by: Rose_Petal

I've been reading this debate quietly, but would like to put in that thanks to Zakir Naik's beliefs and behavior, he had been banned from entering the UK and Canada last I heard. I'm sure some of my fellow Muslims who support him didn't like that but truth is that these countries didn't like what he was up to and so took this decision. And I think they can do that, too, because it is their country. But is this tightening someone's freedom of expression or just preventing someone from promoting something that could result in discord? I don't care an iota about Zakir Naik so never made it a point to think much on it. I Just wanted to say that Zakir Naik doesn't get a pass to be hateful if he wants to - and no one should.

Originally posted by: Aya.

Google isn't helping anyone or anything. If google had taken down the video, then so many innocent people wouldn't have been killed.

Originally posted by: Aya.

If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, then don't say it at all. Keep it to yourself.

There's no need to go out in public, fool others, start a riot, & make a disgusting movie about it. It's not called an opinion. Its called not respecting others.

Originally posted by: Aya.

The Quran challenges mankind many times to produce, even a simple verse like it. In it's own language of course, which is Arabic. & til now now no one has ever done so. Actually, some have tried, but sadly, they failed.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Zakir Naik has been banned from UK and Canada for openly supporting terrorist organizations and saying he stands by those who terrorize the United States. Canada and UK also support gay rights while Zakir Naik has been a vociferous proponent of death penalty to homosexuals.

I guess we don't bother because he may not be comfortable having an intimate encounter with TSA. 😆

Hmm...I've been told his views are over the top...didn't think they were this high. Makes sense why even my aunt can't stand him...

@Bold: This is indeed giggle worthy. With those new scanners, plus getting frisked...he would have my sympathy...all travelers do...they're so brave.