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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yes, if we were in the shoes of those countries affected we too would be angry and sacrifice our lives for a cause.
Western influences has both its good and bad.
US has to start changing its image.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Summer3

Yes, if we were in the shoes of those countries affected we too would be angry and sacrifice our lives for a cause.
Western influences has both its good and bad.
US has to start changing its image.


I doubt they can do it. The foundation of their country is standing on the massacre of the native Americans, all the stuff that came after just adds more layers. Plus, who's going to account for the layers we know nothing about? Why do spy plane drones fly over my city at 2 am? I thought the US is friends with the UAE. We host their military bases too, then why the mistrust. The US can TRY to change it's image but how will they change their inherent nature?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Rainbow Ninja, which country are you from?
I hope neither US nor Isreal find an excuse to attack Iran.
More innocent people die and suffer in wars.
Soldiers fighting in Foriegn countries behave like monsters.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: RainbowWarrior


I doubt they can do it. The foundation of their country is standing on the massacre of the native Americans, all the stuff that came after just adds more layers. Plus, who's going to account for the layers we know nothing about? Why do spy plane drones fly over my city at 2 am? I thought the US is friends with the UAE. We host their military bases too, then why the mistrust. The US can TRY to change it's image but how will they change their inherent nature?

It like a self appointed policeman of the world
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Posted: 13 years ago
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US has stood by their Allies too. I would not say they are completely bad. Now they are pushing United Nations to play the role. Jewish influence in USA has to be recognized, so there is bound to be some unfairness.
But generally Jews are one of the most intelligent bunch.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Summer3

Rainbow Ninja, which country are you from?
I hope neither US nor Isreal find an excuse to attack Iran.
More innocent people die and suffer in wars.
Soldiers fighting in Foriegn countries behave like monsters.


Indian, born and brought up in the UAE (Dubai).

US is going to attack every country it can. How else to test the capabilities of their billion dollar weapons and then sell them 20 years later to other countries? In the end, it's all good business for them.

War to supposedly save a country from oppression = Oil = Money + Power
War to display military prowess = Money (when they sell the weapons)

Why no war in African countries that are savaged by civil wars? Why not save those people from genocide? In fact, why not use the military spending to wipe out world hunger? In fact, why doesn't even NASA quit on it's crazy schemes and use it's geniuses to wipe out world hunger? The kind of influence the US has on the world in every walk of life is enviable and yet they squander it. But hey, they are getting richer and more powerful while people are dying so I guess my POV doesn't count.

@Monster soldiers,
I'm never forgetting the photographs of the naked prisoner pile from Iraq taken my US troops. 🤢

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It like a self appointed policeman of the world


The police helps, saves, supports, protects, secures. Somehow, I don't see the US doing this for anyone except their own people. It's true, they don't owe the world protection but in that case they should not stick their nose in everyone's countries business either.

Originally posted by: Summer3

US has stood by their Allies too. I would not say they are completely bad. Now they are pushing United Nations to play the role. Jewish influence in USA has to be recognized, so there is bound to be some unfairness.
But generally Jews are one of the most intelligent bunch.


Allies are allies only till they don't talk back. Remember how French fries were renamed Freedom fries in the US?

@ Jewish influence,
Of course they are. They pretty much run all the top organisations / companies, from wall street to Hollywood.
The Quran also mentions how the Jews/ Israelis' were given special privileges and status from the beginning and they misused it. It's something of an 'old habits dies hard' situation for them.

What I truly don't understand is why people in power find so hard to be fair and just. Is money really that big a corrupter? Money should be abolished in favour of merit-money. If you want to buy a loaf of bread, you have to pay 5 of money and 5 of merit-money. Merit-money can be earned ONLY by doing good deeds. Yes, I know it sounds childish, but I can wish right? In Islam every individual who is not poor, owns gold, is supposed to pay 2.5% of their total savings/gold value as Zakaat in charity every year. If everyone honestly did this, combined with every rich person on the planet who isn't a Muslim, we wouldn't have any poor left. None.

ps - long post... this is why I don't come to DB regularly, I get too involved 😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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USA is not the only nation built on invading the lands of the native people. It definitely is a negative aspect in the history of the United States. However, to judge the entire nation on it is unfair.

Hardly anything in this world is purely altruistic. Anyone who has the power and means uses it to satisfy their ends before those of others. The big bully nature of United States foreign policy has been on account of this. Should India or any other nation have the power and resources someday, I don't see it being any different. Not that I am justifying it or saying that US behavior is right. Just pointing out that it is not purely malevolent, but a lot of circumstantial selfishness.

There are also a variety of political opinions and dogmas in the United States related to foreign policy. It is unfair to lump all these political ideologies into one anti-world ideology. There also is a disconnect between the president, the senate and the house – which shows that not everyone is for wanton attacking of other nations. But I guess for an outsider not aware of US politics, it appears this way.

Also to add unlike the common misconception of an ultra modern western civilization, most of America is small town and sheltered from the world. A lot of negative political opinion you see coming from the citizens is more out of fear and ignorance, rather than hatred or malice. Unfortunately, the world is in a vicious cycle where fears are taken as hatred.

There is also a very strong anti-war, anti foreign interference movement in the United States. To view the entire nation as war mongering and hostile is unfair to the thousands of people who have dedicated everything to trying to shape the United States into a more peaceful amiable country.

No matter what people perceive USA or Americans as, whenever there is natural disaster or other calamities, private citizens of USA have been the most generous. Despite the massive recession and unemployment, people still contributed and volunteered generously to assist Japan. US has the some of the highest volunteers in peace corps, habitat for humanity and other charities. A large proportion of volunteer workers in Africa and Central America are Americans.

Whether politically, economically or socially, there are pros and cons to every nation. I won't deny the negatives that USA has, but I hope people can try and see America in perspective and not just one aspect. No nation can be viewed as homogenous with just one agenda and one mentality.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I don't think any people of any nation should get away with the 'we didn't know' line anymore, or even 'we didn't understand'. It's the duty of every person to get out there and seek knowledge. We can't sit pretty on our behinds anymore. It doesn't work to be misinformed and ignorant of what's happening elsewhere in the world just because it doesn't affect us. If you have the means, and you didn't use it, how can you justify your opinion?

Global warming doesn't exist, climate change is a myth and yet everyone everywhere is talking about the change in weather patterns of the cities they live in. Ignorance is not bliss right now.

What has decades of aid done to Africa? The same images of famished children are flashed across our screens while we dig in to our pockets for an easy way out hand-out. But recently, when the micro-finance system was introduced in many of the poorer countries there, a change is happening. The power to help the poor was always there but no one thought of teaching them to help themselves and years of aid have spawned a lazy generation. They are going to have re-learn everything and so much of their ancient knowledge is simply lost.

The biggest problem with the western country policies is they underestimate and even despise the foreign methods of rule, religion, lifestyle, culture etc Not every country needs to follow a democratic political system to be successful. All countries should be allowed to grow and reach their perfect balance in their own time. You can't just push your ideas on others. What was there before Democracy? People still lived. There is no one correct way yo live or dole out justice or govern your country. If I don't like what my neighbours are doing, I'm not going to jump in to their house or burn it down.

There are plenty of amazing and note-worthy things that US citizens do, but it's their government that nations of the world have a problem with. Their scare tactics and military prowess would leave anyone shaking in their shoes. It's not right, what's happening in Iraq, or Afghanistan or anywhere else where people are dying at the hands of the people. If they want to parade as saviours then they better live up to that title. You can't just plant a flag in front of you and do whatever you please in the name of patriotism, homeland security and the 'fight on terror'.

When I see the Indian parliament members throwing furniture at each other, I don't think to myself, that it could never be me and I've never even voted, I didn't bring this on. No, even keeping silent is a reaction to a situation and has repercussions. Can the people please rise up and take responsibility for the actions of their countries elected heads?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think now a days in Middle East,US/EU nations playing the Divide and Rule policy ! they says trying to Impose Democracy but dozens of countries have good cooperative relations with USA with much more abusive and brutal regimes than Egypt/Libiya...and we know that,recently Obama consulted with the star of democracy in the Arab world King Abdullah of Saudi... It is no doubt the new democratic approach of USA in the Middle East on expense of consolidating an anti Iranian block is a direct threat to many nations...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: RainbowWarrior

I don't think any people of any nation should get away with the 'we didn't know' line anymore, or even 'we didn't understand'. It's the duty of every person to get out there and seek knowledge. We can't sit pretty on our behinds anymore. It doesn't work to be misinformed and ignorant of what's happening elsewhere in the world just because it doesn't affect us. If you have the means, and you didn't use it, how can you justify your opinion?

Global warming doesn't exist, climate change is a myth and yet everyone everywhere is talking about the change in weather patterns of the cities they live in. Ignorance is not bliss right now.

What has decades of aid done to Africa? The same images of famished children are flashed across our screens while we dig in to our pockets for an easy way out hand-out. But recently, when the micro-finance system was introduced in many of the poorer countries there, a change is happening. The power to help the poor was always there but no one thought of teaching them to help themselves and years of aid have spawned a lazy generation. They are going to have re-learn everything and so much of their ancient knowledge is simply lost.

The biggest problem with the western country policies is they underestimate and even despise the foreign methods of rule, religion, lifestyle, culture etc Not every country needs to follow a democratic political system to be successful. All countries should be allowed to grow and reach their perfect balance in their own time. You can't just push your ideas on others. What was there before Democracy? People still lived. There is no one correct way yo live or dole out justice or govern your country. If I don't like what my neighbours are doing, I'm not going to jump in to their house or burn it down.

There are plenty of amazing and note-worthy things that US citizens do, but it's their government that nations of the world have a problem with. Their scare tactics and military prowess would leave anyone shaking in their shoes. It's not right, what's happening in Iraq, or Afghanistan or anywhere else where people are dying at the hands of the people. If they want to parade as saviours then they better live up to that title. You can't just plant a flag in front of you and do whatever you please in the name of patriotism, homeland security and the 'fight on terror'.

When I see the Indian parliament members throwing furniture at each other, I don't think to myself, that it could never be me and I've never even voted, I didn't bring this on. No, even keeping silent is a reaction to a situation and has repercussions. Can the people please rise up and take responsibility for the actions of their countries elected heads?

I think in most countries it is the appointed leaders, who have been voted in, that make almost all the decisions. Most voices that protest and disagree are often drowned. The media is carefully scrutinized and controlled, they call it filtering unwanted news that can cause social unrest. Here is Singapore none are allowed to protest or go on strike. Any disagreement or unhappiness have to be channeled through appropriate Depts.
There are pros and cons to this. It makes it much easier for the Govt. to introduce solutions and quick remedies, but at times it can also be high handed.
Democracy without responsibility leads to chaos.
But I believe there has to be a fine balance taking into account the welfare of the common people.
Often decisions by the leaders of the country are directed by the rich and wealthy who finance the political parties. People generally are all peaceful and do not want unnecessary trouble.

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