Change is Inevitable?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Can you truly change your self or another person?
Is change really inevitable?


What is prompting us from changing; our Habits, the fear of Loss or the fear of Unknown?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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It all depends on what one means by 'change' and more necessarily what one expects of a change.

Change, by the most popular meaning, would be a definite and substantial deviation from a habit/ a state or appearance.

I presume we are going to consider only 'people' changes here , right..

So first- yes, Change is inevitable. I believe in that through and through.

When I say people cannot deviate completely from their basic personality that does not mean Change does not occur.

From Childhood people -evolve. In their habits, in their perceptions, in their decision making.
they are educated by their surroundings, family, language, society.. everything.

But then again, even two people in the same kind of environment ,will grow to be very different individuals. This difference is their 'individual personality'.

This explanation.. was to show that 'individual personality' may have a very inconspicuous but a strong say in the making of an adult.
Then how can suddenly, that personality be expected to go 180, or shed off and show a new human being? it doesnt happen like that. and when it does its called 'Split personality ' disorder..

When we talk of people who have changed, who have redeemed themselves- we talk of them having inculcated habits and practices which regulates their behavior contrary to what their instinct would be.

hm.. I see I m going off on a monologue here much less a debate.. I dont even know if I m making sense or not..😆.. sorry guys.. sticking to one thing and making succinct points is just not my thing..😆

I think I'll give this essay a rest here, and see what you are really talking about..😛

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Posted: 13 years ago
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you know the kind of change that you re talking about Aarya, the fear of unknown , the loss.. this kind of change is perfunctory most of the times (I feel)..

It may because of the shock to the system, a debilitating fear.. these kind of changes arent really changes.. as much as they are a 'reaction' to the extreme 'circumstances'..

Yes , these kind of circumstances may well bring out the latent personality traits of people who have been suppressing them for too long.. but in very few cases even then, would the people change so completely as to not suppress those same traits again at all..

Most of these 'sudden' changes , occur as a result of our 'basic survival instinct'..

Long ;asting shifts from personality, first takes realization- of where and why one might be lacking(if at all).. how- it is lacking to the family/society..
then the motivation-to make up for it and why..

and then being persistent in covering up for the weakness/fault.. that is what change would be..

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People also sometimes makes decisions which seem contrary to their thinking, their habitual process.. but that again can be attributed to having learnt from past experiences, or new experiences of others,

even then, in normal circumstances , people deviate in their tough process only as much as their understanding can allow them to..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Since I am jumping off the fence for this one... (Angie you are fairly warned!:))

"What is Change?" Let's define that first before we all start pulling our hair on this topic! :) Is it a fact of life that should be welcomed or something that occurs on its own and disturbs our equanimity and should be resisted? Though many will see life from two angle, either it's fixed or fluid; a mere philosophical perception of life.

Personality change is not only possible but it can truly change your life, if you are 'willing' to make that choice. Researchers believe that personality traits changes over time and more in adulthood then in childhood.

There are so many big in-between areas where people grow and learn, and it all part of changing aspect of life. A simple example would be intelligence as a fixed or change trait which greatly impacts our behavior. And the ones which believe that intelligence can not be changed either because they were less motivated to learn or less likely to take up a challenge.

And Ninand, your points are well addressed, and I would surely avoid going in circles! 😉

ps... I truly believe that people can change, with out fear and doubt!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Change is the most certain thing in life.

Change can be of two kinds. One kind is tangible/visible change like switching to a new software at work, breaking a habit, changing a targeted behavior like study habits or short tempers. You can condition yourself or others to change by setting up the right incentive/punishment program. Every person reacts differently and it is very important to set the conditioning program correctly, otherwise it won't work.

There is intangible/invisible change as well, like changes in beliefs, attitudes, perceptions, lifestyles etc. You cannot force these change though. There is no way you can condition someone to actually change who they are as a person. This change has to be an organic and natural process that takes place in increments slowly as time passes. If you look at yourself today and yourself ten years ago, you will observe that in some aspects you have changed significantly as a person. The same thing goes for family and friends around you. No one probably told you to make these changes or set a program to implement change, it occurred as a part of life. Times change, people change and that's just how it is.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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The only constant in life is change...
People generally are resistant to change for the fear of unknown...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Aarya-

Since I am jumping off the fence for this one... (Angie you are fairly warned!:))

"What is Change?" Let's define that first before we all start pulling our hair on this topic! :) Is it a fact of life that should be welcomed or something that occurs on its own and disturbs our equanimity and should be resisted? Though many will see life from two angle, either it's fixed or fluid; a mere philosophical perception of life.

Personality change is not only possible but it can truly change your life, if you are 'willing' to make that choice. Researchers believe that personality traits changes over time and more in adulthood then in childhood.

There are so many big in-between areas where people grow and learn, and it all part of changing aspect of life. A simple example would be intelligence as a fixed or change trait which greatly impacts our behavior. And the ones which believe that intelligence can not be changed either because they were less motivated to learn or less likely to take up a challenge.

And Ninand, your points are well addressed, and I would surely avoid going in circles! 😉

ps... I truly believe that people can change, with out fear and doubt!


Good points raised everyone ! I see some newcomers or are they new IDs ?
Nice topic , Aarya and thanks for saving me the trouble of shoving you off the fence this time 😆 I hope it does not mean that i have to be on the other side of the fence. my stance can also undergo a change cant it? 😆
Since change is inevitable there is no denying it. Whether it should be welcomed or resisted would be specific to the concerned change. Generally speaking if it is considered beneficial it will be welcomed whereas if it is seen as some sort of threat it gets resisted. Change is observed throughout one's life be it at the physical, emotional, mental, financial, spiritual, behavioural or personality level. Nature and nurture both play their role.
Would you like to narrow it down to a specific change for the sake of discussion? The topic appears to be very broad based 🤔
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: angie.4u

Good points raised everyone ! I see some newcomers or are they new IDs ?
Nice topic , Aarya and thanks for saving me the trouble of shoving you off the fence this time 😆 I hope it does not mean that i have to be on the other side of the fence. my stance can also undergo a change cant it? 😆
Since change is inevitable there is no denying it. Whether it should be welcomed or resisted would be specific to the concerned change. Generally speaking if it is considered beneficial it will be welcomed whereas if it is seen as some sort of threat it gets resisted. Change is observed throughout one's life be it at the physical, emotional, mental, financial, spiritual, behavioural or personality level. Nature and nurture both play their role.
Would you like to narrow it down to a specific change for the sake of discussion? The topic appears to be very broad based 🤔



Lets take 'personality' for discussion, as it seems to have some contradiction around the subject!

In the past, its believed that personality traits of an individual is set at a early age, and that they are more generic; meaning either you are born as agreeable, neurotic or extroverted (that's me :)) and that you will stay that way regardless of environment or desire to change. And of course I believe differently.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Parthenope

In Piaget's theories of development, he speaks about the theory of assimilation and accommodation.


Assimilation essentially is using an existing schema to make sense of a new experience. e.g. this thing has four legs, two eyes, and two pointy ears; therefore, it must be a cat.

Accommodation is creating a new schema to make sense of an experience because no pre-existing schemas account for it sufficiently. e.g. this thing has four legs, two eyes, and pointy ears, but it barks, runs faster, fetches my frisbee, and is generally more humble than the meowing, uppity little thing back there... Ah, it's not a cat; it's a dog.

Assimilation happens on a daily basis; accommodation occurs less frequently the older you grow and the more you gain the feeling of 'i have seen this before (or as I like to call it - 'it's the same ol' shit'). Accommodation by definition implies change - something in your thinking has changed to allow room for something else... so, by definition, of course change is inevitable. I think the question here is what is the degree of change possible the older you grow?

If your intellectual and learning capabilities are X and your environmental stimulation is Y, and X into Y = Z (your overall coefficient of adaptibility), then I would think that the one other variable that influences Z is your openness to change... or your openness to allowing Accommodation to continue ad infinitum...

-Devi



I am now going to start my Google research on Piaget, before I come back to you D! :)

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Agree with you completely D.

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