Temple vs Mosque

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chal_phek_mat

@chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 15 years ago

Background:

About 18 years ago, In Ayodhya some folks went and took down a mosque with the intention of (re)building a ram-mandir that they say existed a few centuries ago. Riots broke out after that a few thousand people died and the matter went to court. Polical fortunes were made, Some political parties that were fringe parties became mainstream. The political party in power(at that time and currently) has effectively blamed everyone else for the situation Careers of Film actors took a turn, Country became more polarized

Today

The court is supposed to declare the verdict whether a mandir or a masjid should be erected in the location, currently people go and pray over there as if it is a Mandir.lots of people are fearing a huge unrest following the verdict, several movie's have postponed their release dates so as not to get hit economically

If a court comes out and says a mandir existed in that location and we should continue to have a Mandir there, Will Hindu's rejoice and the Muslims come out claiming discriminiation and we will have riots?

If the court comes out and says a Masjid existed and that paves the way of a Masjid creation, Will the Muslims rejoice and the Hindu's come out claiming the usual votebanking of Congress and lead to riots?

Will today lead to a resurrection of a flagging BJP an right wing parties that are almost extinct ? or will it give more cause to terror attacks?

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Please close the topic if this is too inflammable(not that it changes what happens in the real world😆)

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: timesNEWS

These include:

Whether the demolished structure was a mosque as claimed by the plaintiff Muslim organisations; If so, when was it built and by whom -- Mughal emperor Babar or his Awadh governor Mir Baqi Tashqandi; Was it built on the site of a demolished Hindu temple? Whether Muslims prayed in the Babri mosque from time immemorial; Whether they possessed the property openly and continuously from 1528 when it was allegedly built; Whether they possessed it till 1949 when they were dispossessed; Whether the suit was filed too late; Whether the Hindus have earned the right to pray at the site through adverse and continuous possession; Whether the plot is Ram's birthplace; Whether Hindus have worshipped the site as Ram's birthplace from time immemorial;
Whether the idols and other objects of worship were placed in the structure on the night of December 22-23, 1949, or whether they had been there before.

Other issues framed in the course of handling the suit that may be decided are:

Whether the Ram chabutra -- the raised platform adjacent to the disputed structure -- as well as the Bhandar and Sita Rasoi were demolished along with the main structure; Whether the land adjoining the structure on its east, north and south housed an ancient graveyard and a mosque; Whether the structure is 'landlocked' and cannot be reached except by passing through Hindus' places of worship around it; Whether no mosque can come into existence on the plot in view of Islamic tenets (because idols have been placed there); Whether the structure could not legally be a mosque since it did not have minarets; Whether it could not be a mosque as it is hemmed in by a graveyard from three sides; Whether, after the demolition, it can still be called a mosque; Whether Muslims can use the open ground at the site as a mosque to offer prayers following the demolition of the structure;
Whether and what relief, if any, the plaintiffs (Muslim organisations) are entitled to

Ayodhya issue is not only issue of religion. It is a issue of cultural identification. It is historical...I think its better Political parties should keep distance from this issue either directly or indirectly.....My opinion is ayodhaya land should ultimatly b declared as government land and used by d govt. 4 public purpose rather than 2 make it of one religion n causin disturbance.😊

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Shipra

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Posted: 15 years ago

Will it's a sensitive issue!...No doubt😊.....But just like some one said, it should be rather made a government property!😊.....That's the best solution to this problem, i guess!

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Kankshita

@thegameison

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Posted: 15 years ago

I don't understand why movies' release date was postponed? 😲

Alright, I have not been following this piece of news. But yes, Mama told me once. And what I feel is that this is beyond the religious values of people or their history, it's just ego. Besides, I feel that no religion is huger than humanity. Whether Hindus' or Muslims', none of the communities is going to get any benifit out of this. This is just another example of inhumanity and ego creating problems.

The verdict's gonna be in favor of one and the other community will obviously feel offended and discriminated but isn't this going on since ages? Nothing is going to stop.

The place should be shut you know? Banjaari jagey. 😆 Or else, even after the verdict is made, we all know the Hindu-Muslim fight is never ending.

Edited by -Kanky- - 15 years ago

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Rimpa.

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Posted: 15 years ago

This religious issue has been way too politicized. With the verdict announcement, I fear, there is every possiblity of riot, ruckus in many parts of the country...GOD help us..

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 15 years ago

All I can hope is that in the verdict the court takes over the land by eminent domain. (I am not sure if and how eminent domain works in India).

Either way I foresee riots on both sides.

However, if the court rules in favor of the mosque. Hindutva parties like BJP should strongly discourage riots and violence. Instead they should play as compliant victims and use it as their basis for the next election. They should claim that the government has fallen deaf to the needs of the majority and spin stump speech to garner power.

However, if the court rules in favor of the mosque. Muslim leaders should strongly discourage riots and violence. Instead they should play as hapless victims and use it as their basis for the next election. They should claim that the minority is always oppressed and never given fair civil rights and spin stump speech to continue Congress in power.

As for me, I clearly am a heathen and am against establishment of any organized religious place - especially when the disputes and emotions are high and volatile on both sides.

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jamesnelson1

@jamesnelson1

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Posted: 15 years ago

this topic should not be a huge topic it has been a lot of time mean 18 years.the societies almost changed their views but there are some black shep in hindus and in muslim can create a problem otherwise.it will be ok.we all are understood God is one and every.so i want to finish my comment saying that..
"oh God let me drink the wine either in temple and in mosque or tell me the place where you are not present"

regards

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Sonakshi

@EatPrayLove

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Posted: 15 years ago

the whole issue is so stupid. don't we have enough mosques and temples in our country to go fighting so childishly over that one piece of land?
they should just build a school over there where free education upto the age of 14 will be provided to both hindus and muslims. best way to teach atleast the next generation the meaning of unity.

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chal_phek_mat

@chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: jamesnelson1
this topic should not be a huge topic it has been a lot of time mean 18 years.the societies almost changed their views but there are some black shep in hindus and in muslim can create a problem otherwise.it will be ok.we all are understood God is one and every.so i want to finish my comment saying that..
"oh God let me drink the wine either in temple and in mosque or tell me the place where you are not present"

regards

Well yeah in 18 years societies change, but the change has been for the bad, The country has turned more radical

20 years ago if a renowned Muslim artist drew half nude pictures of Hindu gods he would have been ignored or appreciated, today he is run out of the country and a huge population supports it

20 years ago a muslim had the most famous Hindu bhajan of the hindi film industry, today a Muslim would get a fatwa on his head for singing a Hindu bhajan and a huge population will just zip up and let it happen.

Yesterday was a day of just all the court decided was a judgement should be declared on a later day and the schools ran at less than half the capacity.

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char76

@char76

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Posted: 15 years ago

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They should make a hospital on the ground to help the poor. Who knows what happened centuries ago and what saintly body walked on that land. If we truly believe there is only one God and all humans are equal...make something neutral on it.

The reason I think there should be something build neutral on it....if nothing is build and the land is left untouched...bad elements from both religions can come back again and again and will try to stir up the pot for no good reason. If the land in use for something...they will have no choice but to shut up.

God must be laughing at our imbecile human nature!

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