Right to die with dignity - Page 7

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

2) My moral compass tells me that compassion without reason has its place, and even higher place at times, but sometimes in the we have to let go of our emotional attachments and view matters in a more cold hard manner for long term benefits to us, humanity, and our planet.

3) We still don't give infants the rights as full adults. With children and incapacitated adults, another adult makes the decision. If they want to sustain a child or a loved one, I am not against it. I support the free will of the decision makers. I am merely proposing - seriously consider the alternative and make it acceptable.

@2: Unless the long term benefits are elucidated, verified and backed by extraordinary scientific research that leaves the margin of error at zero, and no more than zero, may I ask, politely, "hands off all babies with birth defects please! thank you very much!"? Even then, how do you propose to implement your gruesome design? Wait! you don't have to tell me. I am not interested to know.

@3: Infants might not have rights or have a say, as far as wearing a dress is concerned, may be. But we are talking about lives here. It falls under Summer's original intent - right to die with dignity. The dignity as seen from the eyes of the infant when the infant grows into a full adult.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

I refute that point by saying that wolves can't manufacture food where as humans can.

I do not think , we have achieved such a stage in civilization that we manufacture our food.
We can store, we can process foods that is all we can do so far. It is only the plants that manufactures food for all the others sitting at the top of food chain.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

@2: Unless the long term benefits are elucidated, verified and backed by extraordinary scientific research that leaves the margin of error at zero, and no more than zero, may I ask, politely, "hands off all babies with birth defects please! thank you very much!"? Even then, how do you propose to implement your gruesome design? Wait! you don't have to tell me. I am not interested to know.

@3: Infants might not have rights or have a say, as far as wearing a dress is concerned, may be. But we are talking about lives here. It falls under Summer's original intent - right to die with dignity. The dignity as seen from the eyes of the infant when the infant grows into a full adult.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

You: On what basis did we determine that the ways and norms of humans is preferred and proven better on this earth?
Me: The fact that ever since we "descended" on earth, we ruled.
You: Cockroaches have ruled the earth, before us and will after us.
Me: What roaches did wouldn't be considered ruling. It would considered living. On the other hand what we did would be considered ruling as in exerting control and influence on the major food and water resources of this planet. Dinosaurs ruled once. We rule now. We are atop the food chain.



How do you go from "terminating" babies with birth defects to ecosphere and ecology? I thought we are talking about adapting ways and norms as in advancing the interests of our species for attaining higher survival rates. You offered, as part of your plan, "terminating" babies with birth defects and cited examples, as limited as they were, from the animal kingdom. I rejected that plan on the grounds that we don't have to learn from the rest of the animals in this particular context because we survived just fine and thrived and none of that surviving and thriving required "termination" of babies with birth defects.




If you are citing population explosion, you are undermining your own defense and bolstering my argument. Population explosion in the context of natural selection is a good thing. Population extinction would be a bad thing.

hmm...quoting to make K's posts visible ...as theres no other way to read them ..

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

@2: Unless the long term benefits are elucidated, verified and backed by extraordinary scientific research that leaves the margin of error at zero, and no more than zero, may I ask, politely, "hands off all babies with birth defects please! thank you very much!"? Even then, how do you propose to implement your gruesome design? Wait! you don't have to tell me. I am not interested to know.

@3: Infants might not have rights or have a say, as far as wearing a dress is concerned, may be. But we are talking about lives here. It falls under Summer's original intent - right to die with dignity. The dignity as seen from the eyes of the infant when the infant grows into a full adult.

Had a nice debate going on after a long time on DM ...but K seems to have opted for euthanasia !

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

I do not think , we have achieved such a stage in civilization that we manufacture our food.
We can store, we can process foods that is all we can do so far. It is only the plants that manufactures food for all the others sitting at the top of food chain.

while we may not be able to 'manufacture' food as we are not autotrophs , we can certainly cultivate food .

Originally posted by: angie.4u

hmm...quoting to make K's posts visible ...as theres no other way to read them ..

ahh as I m human I m able to get the invisible posts back onto the forum ...not bad ! Now a cockroach wouldnt be able to do that 😆

Originally posted by: my_view

Thanks Angie.. You are a Saviour as always..! Now I know about the trick to make invisible posts visible again.. ThankU..😃

Well, actually I had no idea that it could be done , I just tried it and it worked !

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Well, actually I had no idea that it could be done , I just tried it and it worked !

Good discovery, but unfortunately, the loophole might be fixed!!

The difference between a human and most other animal specie is that a human is able to seek enlightenment and an escape from rebirths consciously.