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I think the entire debate is trying to make a mixture of multiple perspectives from which one looks at Ramayana and Ram as a person. We must seprate these perspectives analyse separately
Ram as a historical personality
There is no definite timeline which is provided by any historian or archeologist, but multiple estimates put this event at 1500 BC and that make it an event 3500 years old. Now let us look at this personality in the background of the society 3500 years old and then we can imagine how much ahead this person was from his time to think about a unified country, think about a society based on values of duties, responsibilities and sacrifice. As a king, the person thought about the subjects and the views of subjects and even decided to quit his wife becuase views of his citizens ( I am not debating about right or wrong). As a king he decided to have single conjugal partner in spite of the fact that the society did support multiple marriage. His own father married three times. His views on pan Indian alliance to expand and all inclusive expansion without destroying anyone was a role model of the time. That is why he set the kingdom of dharma and defined what a raj dharma was supposed to be. Now the Agni Pariksha was something which was the rule of the day and Ram as a humab being even being far ahead of his time in his thinking could not resist this.
Ram as a religious leader
Ram never propounded any religion nor he ever asked people to follow him. Even Hanuman, Sugreev and Bibhishan were his friend, ally and follower, but no one went ahead bringing people under his thought and belief system.
Ram as a God
Ram as a God had descended on the Earth to perform certain duties and they were pre-destined. Sita had her part and role to play and she had to play that role. Ram was bound by the destiny to send Sita to vanvas. Agni Pariksha was the ritual of the time and as a human incarnation of God he had to follow the traditions.
India does not pray Ram becuase he was right on many occassion and wrong some times. It has become a matter of faith. Ram is an issue of faith. We as Hindus do not follow our religion as the semite religions do – follow the acts without any question. We keep our faith and follow the acts based on our intelligence and consciousness; but, the underlying faith on the super consciousness in the form for example Ram; does not fade. We do not interpret our religion based on what Ram did, when, why and where the act were done. We rather take the essense of the act and apply the underlying principles in our lives. Respect to our parents is something a matter of principle. That does not mean that One leaves the house the moment father asks him or her. A Hindu, under the religion has the right to debate and logically discuss it with the father and take a decision which respects the sentiments and preserves the emotions which binds the family.
Something which is a matter of faith can not be debated at the activity level. Ram even asked Lakshman to go and get knowledge from Ravana – that never means he praised Ravana. All through my childhood this episode has been cited by my elders to tell me that one should shun ego to acquire knowledge and one shoudl acquire knowledge from where ever and whoever one can.
Let us understand Ramayana as our faith and apply its principles with our rational mind.
Originally posted by: scratches-head
No offense to anyone, but I feel that someone like Ram is not even worthy of being worshipped, leave alone being termed as 'Maryada Purshottam'. He abandoned his wife when she was pregnant, only because he had a suspicious hunch about her, and that too planted by a washerman. She raised her kids alone, without as much as little resentment.
So I want to know that why is it that a man like Ram, who chucked his wife out only to make his kingdom happy, is being worshipped by millions today? Is he really an embodiment of 'Perfection'? Wasn't it extremely chauvinistic and downright repulsive of him to abandon the woman who came along with him in the vanvaas, and stood beside him throughout, in just a split second?Do share your views.Edit: Sorry if the topic has already been posted :)
Originally posted by: blue-ice
When I worship Ram I worship the Lord Ram not the human form of Rama...........humans make mistakes and so did King Ram..
Originally posted by: scratches-head
What's the difference between the two?It wasn't just a 'mistake'. Imagine the situation the other way round. What if Sita had questioned Ram's fidelity? Afterall he was away from her for months too. Why didn't he give the so called 'Agni Pariksha'? Seeta spent every second of her time in the Lanka chanting 'Shri Ram', and her abandonment can be waved off as a 'mistake' ?@Lalitha: Thankyou for the posts, I'll read them and reply to you in a while :)
Originally posted by: scratches-head
I'm really not aware of other prophets/avatars who have done something like this,-- you should aware other things also buddy...I think Lord Ram got doubt his mind,..doubt is a state of mind, anyone can happen these things...but if we check other avatar/prophets ,they done more than this😃,.......what you think Lord Ram should try for a second marriage is it! same like Prophet Mohammed,I think he married more than 8 times .so I didn't take them into account, but if what you're saying is true, and we have had more than one sexist 'gods', then we're a really warped society 😆-- Ya sexist gods should wear burka!😆