why is communism wrong? - Page 4

Originally posted by: Believe

Already said...Present situation communist manifesto not applicable for practical life...😊

ypu.....100% communists in the poliical sphere are now "champagne socialists".......sad but true.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

why is it that communism as a ideology has always caused dictatorships and tyrannical regims to spring? is it because of its faulty assumption that all human beings are good, honest and hardworking and concerned for the society as a whole. the truth is, everyone is seld-serving and selfish( upto a certain extent)....NOBODY would be commited to a work which would not get them extra rewards for the efforts they have put into it.......also, some, especially the western capitalist economies like the USA assume that communism encourages people to be lazy and slack. 😆

Erm I am not sure where your questions come from based on my post. 😕

I as elaborating on the Scandinavian economic model of mixed economy.

As for why communism as an ideology always caused dictatorships and tyrannical regimes. I say think the other way around. Why do dictators and tyrants press forward communism. Communism did not give birth to Mao, Lenin, Stalin. In fact Mao, Lenin and Stalin gave birth to Maoism, Leninism and Stalinism.

i know i know.........i was just commenting on the topic of tyranny in communist countries..........do u think that the ideology of communisn is such that it leads a single close group of men to assume all state powers in their hands? methinks it is........the communist principle of state control over private property is the culprit when it comes to communist countries turning the dicky way........communism asumes that the state is flawless, which is an utopian thought........it encourages individuals within the government to take undue advantage of it.

Originally posted by: debayon

The concept of the original communism(Marxism) is good because it relates to the economy and says that all the people will have an equal income. However, the other concepts(Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism etc) abolished these that instead of a government, there will be 1 supreme leader whose viewpoints will be glorified, whether you like it or not. You cannot protest against the "government" and there is no freedom of press or speech. Again, the "government" control all aspects of your life and sucks all the riches from the people for himself. Why would you want to live under such restrictions?

Good topic, BTW?

but the concept is utopian so it doesnt work........u cant say to the best student in the class..........."work hard. work very very hard, but remember that all the other students in the class are gonna get the same marks as you......" and then expect that best student to put in his 100%.

I believe in Darwin's theory so no, I don't support communism.

Originally posted by: finicky2010

I believe in Darwin's theory so no, I don't support communism.

Do you believe in social Darwinism too? Do you feel that social Darwinism is also fair and justified?

@ original question: I read an editorial on this to mark the 20 years of the fall of the Berlin wall. I copy and paste it here as it is.

We are approaching the 20th anniversary of the fall of Communism. This comprehensively refuted the Communist claim to represent the people. Yet, the claim continues, sometimes dazzling a new generation of youngsters with no inkling of why the Berlin Wall fell on November 9, 1989.

In democratic Capitalism, said Karl Marx, the rich became richer and the poor poorer. Marxism inspired young idealists for over a century. Lenin's revolution in Russia in 1917 was hailed as a new dawn. Stalin's invasions brought Communism to Eastern Europe. Communist governments there pledged to create a paradise for workers, who would be freed from exploitative Capitalists and instead work for the state, which would give them full employment and welfare.

Czech author Milan Kundera says of the Communists, "They had a grandiose plan, a plan for a brand new world in which everyone would find his place: the creation of an idyll of justice for all. People have always aspired to an idyll, a garden where nightingales sing, a realm of harmony where the world does not rise up as a stranger against man, nor man against other men."

Problem: this supposed paradise was imposed at gun-point. Nevertheless leftists cheered, dismissing objectors as Capitalist elitists. These elitists would deservedly be decimated, but the masses would get equality and fabulous benefits in paradise.

Alas, this equality was a sham: equality is not possible between those imposing the rules and those imposed upon. Eastern Europeans found that the supposed paradise was actually a cage in which they were fed and watered, but denied basic freedoms to speak, act or move. Masses of youngsters began emigrating from the Communist paradises to the supposed hell-holes of the West.

Migration was easiest from East Germany to West Germany. Official migration touched 197,000 in 1950, 165,000 in 1951, 182,000 in 1952 and 331,000 in 1953. It was impossible to pretend that all these youngsters were just greedy Capitalist reactionaries.

So, Communist countries closed their borders and jailed those seeking to escape. Kundera says the Communist paradise was supposed to be a place "where every man is a note in a magnificent Bach fugue; but anyone who refuses his note is a mere black dot, useless and meaningless, easily caught and squashed between the fingers like a fly. Since by (Communist) definition an idyll is one world for all, the people who wished to emigrate were implicitly denying its validity. So, instead of going abroad they were put behind bars." Escape from paradise was forbidden: it might lead to the unthinkable notion that Communism was not paradise after all.

The Communist dilemma was worst in Berlin city, divided between a Communist east and democratic west. Escape was easiest and most massive here. So, in 1961 the Communists built the Berlin Wall through the entire Berlin border. Unlike most security walls, this did not aim to keep outsiders out: it aimed to keep citizens caged within. Nevertheless, thousands of East Berliners sought to cross, and hundreds were gunned down.

The Brezhnev Doctrine of the Soviet Union held that once a country became Communist, Soviet arms would keep it Communist. Soviet tanks crushed uprisings in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. The same doctrine took Soviet tanks into Afghanistan in 1979. But they suffered a humiliating debacle. When Gorbachev became Soviet president, he withdrew from Afghanistan, ending the Brezhnev Doctrine. In 1989, he told Communist rulers in Eastern Europe that they could no longer depend on Soviet tanks to thwart popular uprisings. Within three months, popular uprisings ousted Communist regimes right through Eastern Europe.

In August 1989, Hungary dismantled border barriers with Austria. Within days, hordes of Eastern Europeans, including 13,000 East Germans, escaped into Austria. Mass demonstrations against Communist rule erupted across Eastern Europe. To soothe public anger, the Communists opened the gates of the Berlin Wall on November 9. Within days, Berliners had chipped away and broken the Wall, amidst delirious cheering. Soon after, the Communist government fell.

Communists and socialists everywhere, including in India, were dismayed. They could not understand why East Germans blessed with income equality, free social welfare and full employment should flee to the highly unequal West, which bristled with unemployment and social perils. An answer came in a letter to a newspaper editor.

"My daughter's hamster (a pet white mouse) has food, water, shelter and even medical care, and a cage full of fun curly tubes. The hamster responds by constantly trying to chew his way to freedom. I think we all understand what freedom is, and it is not a gilded cage."

Originally posted by: finicky2010

I believe in Darwin's theory so no, I don't support communism.

Darwin's theory IMO, has many shortcomings.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

but the concept is utopian so it doesnt work........u cant say to the best student in the class..........."work hard. work very very hard, but remember that all the other students in the class are gonna get the same marks as you......" and then expect that best student to put in his 100%.

I don't see any connection whatsoever.😆 Who are the students referring to?😕

Originally posted by: debayon

I don't see any connection whatsoever.😆 Who are the students referring to?😕

i was referring to the basic principle of equal distribution of wealth that communism espouses.....😆 u cant expect ppl to work their best if they r not promised any better rewards for their sweat....