why is communism wrong? - Page 15

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

my point👍🏼

dude your point is that china is anything but communist, midnight shade point is that china is a selective communist.

Originally posted by: rongna

dude your point is that china is anything but communist, midnight shade point is that china is a selective communist.

If that were so, there'd be no Tianamen because all the portesters would be killed before they knew what hit them.😛

@MShade

China has one of the WORST child labour rates in asia and the world.

Originally posted by: Midnight_Shade

The plan was market socialism but they screwed it up and somehow the income disparity is growing with each passing day. Now, that doesn't suddenly turn them into capitalists. If it did, they woulda let industries run on their own instead of keeping them under government control.

I've definitely heard of exploitation of labor workers out there. Especially sweatshops where they commit child labor in a full-fledged manner and pay them as low as it can get. And that's where most of the cheap goods come from, which, under averagely paid labor, would cost much more higher. But that is the result of negligence by the gov. I doubt if they'd ever let that happen in front of their nose while the entrepreneurs are busy stuffing their earnings into their pockets. That's too much of a juxtaposition for the government (supposed to be THE will-wisher of its people) to put up with. Hmm, they're perhaps going all of that stuff where government/law can't reach them and that's what is ruining the efficiency of their communist policies.

I agree with you about how they should seek an ideal blend of different forms of gov instead of trying to fit things into one single form.

Gao Zhiyi claimed he had spoken to his brother on the telephone within the past three weeks and said: "I know that he's fine."

But his comments do not appear to have cleared up the mystery of what has happened to Gao Zhisheng.

The outspoken critic of the government went missing at the beginning of 2009.

He has not been seen since police came for him in the middle of one night early in February last year.

China's government has been under international pressure to say where Gao Zhisheng is and whether he is alive and well.

US President Barack Obama has raised his case. But Gao Zhisheng has not been produced in any court or given access to a lawyer.

And despite repeated requests, the Chinese authorities have provided little information about his fate.

'Neighbours'

So the BBC travelled to central China where we tracked down his brother, the last person to see Mr Gao before he was seized.

He (Gao Zhisheng) said he's quite well, everything's fine, and told the family not to worry Gao Zhiyi, brother Where is lawyer Gao Zhisheng?

The road to Mr Gao's family home winds deep into the hills of northern Shaanxi province.

It's a bizarre and barren landscape, bisected by hundreds of valleys and gorges, like a giant, crumpled maze, dotted with poor villages.

Up a small, muddy path is the Gao family home. It's a line of traditional cave dwellings, large, simple rooms hewn into the hillside, and fronted by a facade of stone.

Before we visited our phone calls had been answered by two separate people who claimed they were "neighbours" watching the house as Gao Zhiyi had, they said, "gone away for a few days". It is not clear who these "neighbours" were.

'Nervous' interview

When we arrived we found Gao Zhiyi, a farmer, busy at work outside his home, cutting stone slabs to lay paving outside his home.

There was no obvious sign of any Chinese security officials, but Gao Zhiyi was clearly nervous.

He asked us to be quick, saying: "Please go home soon, don't stay for too long. Because if the local authority finds out, it won't be nice".

Then he told us that Gao Zhisheng had called on 28 February or 1 March.

"He said he's quite well, everything's fine, and told the family not to worry," said Gao Zhiyi.

Asked if he was sure it was his brother's voice, he was firm: "It couldn't be wrong." And asked if Gao Zhisheng sounded healthy, Gao Zhiyi said "yes, very well".

But Gao Zhiyi said the conversation was brief, and his brother did not say where he was.

He claimed to have had three or four such calls since Gao Zhisheng vanished.

"I'm no longer worried. I just know that he's fine," he said.

It's impossible to say whether Gao Zhiyi did get the calls or whether he has been pressured to give this account to us.

Torture claim

From his family's poor beginnings Gao Zhisheng rose far. A decade ago he was named one of the 10 best lawyers in China by the government.

Gao Zhisheng has challenged China's leaders publicly

But he began to take on highly controversial cases, dealing with corruption, religious freedom, and - most sensitive of all - China's treatment of members of the banned Falun Gong movement.

He dared to challenge China's leaders publicly, writing open letters claiming they were "liable" for what he called the brutal and illegal persecution of Falun Gong members.

His law licence was taken away. He was convicted of inciting subversion, given a suspended sentence and released in 2006. The reason there are so many fears for his safety is that he claims to have been tortured during another detention in 2007.

An account of that torture, written by Gao Zhisheng and released by human rights groups just after he vanished last year, is graphic.

"Four electric batons started to shock me all over... when Wang started to shock my genitals, I begged him to stop," and he goes on, "he said 'You wrote to the American Congress. You traitor. This is China. The Communist Party's territory. Killing you is as easy as stepping on an ant'".

Beijing's denial

Gao Zhisheng was at his brother's house when police came for him, and Gao Zhiyi says the family were extremely concerned.

"We were worried about whether his life was under threat. Now we are a bit relieved but we can still do nothing."

It's tantalising, but Gao Zhiyi's story adds to the mystery about what's happened to Gao Zhisheng.

On Tuesday, in response to a question from the BBC about where the missing lawyer is, and whether he is alive and well, Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said: "Gao Zhisheng was sentenced for subverting state power. His personal rights have been protected according to Chinese law. There is no so-called torture upon him."

It appeared that Mr Yang was referring to Mr Gao's original conviction, not a new one. And he did not address the issues of where Mr Gao was or what state of health he was in.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said he had raised the case, adding: "The widespread concern about it is an example of the global social conscience that increasingly exists. Foreign Minister Yang insisted to me on the integrity of the criminal justice and judicial procedures that exist in China".

No sign

To try to find Gao Zhisheng, we travelled further, to China's far west and the province of Xinjiang.

The tower blocks in Urumqi where Mr has allegedly been spotted

Earlier this year Chinese diplomats in America had suggested that Mr Gao was alive and "working" in Urumqi.

We went to the address where it has been rumoured Mr Gao had been spotted. It consisted of two tower blocks of modern flats, along with a busy hotel and many private businesses.

There was no sign of Mr Gao, no sign of any extra security, and everyone we showed his photograph to said they were sure they had never seen the missing lawyer.

So the questions remain. Where is Gao Zhisheng? Is he in good health? Why is China still saying nothing about his whereabouts?

Gao Zhisheng's wife and two children fled to America shortly before he was picked up last year. They and many others are still waiting to hear the answers.

Frankly so called democracy in Malaysia is not working too well too.

malayasia is far from anywhere near a TRUE Democracy

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

malayasia is far from anywhere near a TRUE Democracy

but its not communist.....the tread is on communism

Somehow most of the communist countries are poor and do not do well. Same with China until they remodelled themselves. Even Vietnam is now changing.