How can God create anything Evil? - Page 14

Originally posted by: clodpolish

labib, will come back to that tomorrow !

Good boy!

But tell me something (getting thoroughly confused) aren't our thoughts/views in the matter on the same wavelength? 😕 Oh my, I am getting way too confused now. I guess I need to research bit on 'Free Will' in Wikipedia and other places, before giving such bold lectures. 😆

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Good boy!

But tell me something (getting thoroughly confused) aren't our thoughts/views in the matter on the same wavelength? 😕 Oh my, I am getting way too confused now. I guess I need to research bit on 'Free Will' in Wikipedia and other places, before giving such bold lectures. 😆

hmm yeah ! i hadn't even read the response then so i just said i'll get back to it😆

But yup, quite the same indeed ! You have asked certain question, i'll get back to them later😆

To me 'free will' and 'karma' are both interrelated concepts. I believe that both are fundamentally true to human existence. Accountability for human actions is the core for these concepts.

Karma is the metaphysical law of consequences in the universe. It is impossible to escape karma. Every action has a consequence. We will always have to face the consequence of what we do. In my opinion an action is not merely something we do, it includes our intents, emotions, and the entire circumstance around the action. So doing something good out of the good of one's heart, and doing something good out of negative/wrong motives will each have different consequences. This makes karma an infinite and very complex set of consequential probabilities, that govern the entire universe.

While 'karma' determines/explains the consequences of actions, 'free will' determines/explains action. We humans have been given a thought process. We are able to think and choose. We do this through a combination of emotional appeal and logical reasoning. A lot of people expect free will to absolute, where free will becomes a self defeating concept. There is no such thing as absolute and total free will. It is a relative concept. Instead of God or a third party choosing what we do, we are given the ability to choose for ourselves.

Free will requires us to balance the two aspects of human judgment. Often we are not capable of doing so, or circumstantially prevented. People overwhelmed by emotions, lose their rationale and get brainwashed. Or people extremely logical, lose sight of compassion. In the case of terrorists and such, it is not that they lacked free will but somewhere in their thought process they did not exercise it properly or gave a warped execution.

That is why many philosophies believe in reincarnation. Nothing is absolutely black or white, and that is why no person is evil enough to have eternal hell or good enough for eternal heaven. Faith or worship cannot erase the law of consequences. We will keep continuing on in the karmic cycle of action and consequences - that is until we are enlightened to become one with the force.

a good summation by alien from DM 👏

Very good topic, I have asked tht question zillion times in my mind & one day I would love to get an answer from God about it.
Now tht evil is already created, we cant do nothing bout it! but i really think evil should not have been created. I mean at d end of d world, WE have to go to either heaven or hell..& look cuz of whom some of us have to go to hell...for our evilness, cuz of the devil! What was human's fault in it? If evil was not created then none of us would be murderers, none of us would be bad, & all of us would be living a happy peaceful life if evil was not created. Now is it humans' fault that evil was created & that evilness would haunt humans without even informing them? Everybody would have loved this world if evilness was not created.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

To me 'free will' and 'karma' are both interrelated concepts. I believe that both are fundamentally true to human existence. Accountability for human actions is the core for these concepts.

Karma is the metaphysical law of consequences in the universe. It is impossible to escape karma. Every action has a consequence. We will always have to face the consequence of what we do. In my opinion an action is not merely something we do, it includes our intents, emotions, and the entire circumstance around the action. So doing something good out of the good of one's heart, and doing something good out of negative/wrong motives will each have different consequences. This makes karma an infinite and very complex set of consequential probabilities, that govern the entire universe.

awesome !👏👏

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

In the case of terrorists and such, it is not that they lacked free will but somewhere in their thought process they did not exercise it properly or gave a warped execution.

I would rather like to put it as 'the ability to exercise their free will was somehow blocked from their mind/brain, hence they weren't able to exercise it', rather than saying they did not 'intentionally exercise it'. I am not sure whether you wanted to say this or not, but judging by what you wrote ("they did not exercise it properly") it seems as though you are of the opinion that people do not *intentionally* exercise their free will, whereas I believe that through brainwashing or other dehumanization processes, people are artificially blocked from the ability to exercise their free will.

Excellent post, by the way, Sarina. 👏

Originally posted by: -Saalekh-

Very good topic, I have asked tht question zillion times in my mind & one day I would love to get an answer from God about it.
Now tht evil is already created, we cant do nothing bout it! but i really think evil should not have been created. I mean at d end of d world, WE have to go to either heaven or hell..& look cuz of whom some of us have to go to hell...for our evilness, cuz of the devil! What was human's fault in it? If evil was not created then none of us would be murderers, none of us would be bad, & all of us would be living a happy peaceful life if evil was not created. Now is it humans' fault that evil was created & that evilness would haunt humans without even informing them? Everybody would have loved this world if evilness was not created.

After going through what others stated in this topic,
I do not think 'good', 'virtuousness' or any form of 'positivity' would have existed had the opposite of it ('evil', 'hatred', 'negativity') not been there. Had evil and negativity not been created, then none of us would experience soul growth, and become enlightened through the course of our life - which is why God had given us a life and thrown us into a world full of suffering and all. Though I follow the Abrahamic Faith, I do not believe in eternal torment. I take the account of 'hell fire' as a symbolism of punishment, and not a literal account for what God would do to our souls. As Sarina (Return to Hades) had stated, each and every person will have to face the consequence if his action, either in this lifetime or in some other - unless the person - even if he is the most evilest one - becomes pure - like God.

even if evil was created, God gave humans the power to choose good over evil so why blame God ?

Originally posted by: crazy_sunny

even if evil was created, God gave humans the power to choose good over evil so why blame God ?

sumtimes its not in your control to choose good over evil...or should i say its not easy to do that. for example, jealousy, it is indeed an evil thing because nowadays people harm other people because of jealousy. Now who doesn't get jealous in this world no matter how hard we try?