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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shruthi Ashwathama's brahmasthra that harmed Parishith...revoked by Krishna who cursed Ashwathama to wander the world as a restless soul for posterity.
I feel that it is when somebody is in grave danger that Jai would act.
So caught up in their own world folks like Jai and Manohar cant see beyond their nose. Saasuma and Adarsh though are a different kettle of fish.
Jai lacks the courage and conviction of Freedom or Principles to guide action. He will be cornered. to act.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@moon the chakravyuha has to break. Swa has to break it. Manohar and Jai have lost it at this moment. It will be a tough battle for Swa. Because the system guards Yash Bundela. Suhas doubt him, but still she believes in his being army man.
Yash Bundela will undo himself. And then system will collapse.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Gr8 analysis shruthi but in todayz precap shown jilanis hav link with allan n the way suha talking with swadhu has she forgotten she prepared the papers to free allan broad wont sinhas be in limelight if swadhu fights against these charges.i not sure if money has been transferred r not n mano acct by allan n if jilnis have link with allan who is terrorist wont he get back at sinhas for double gaming him r the person who s his boss may b that colonel wont he hit back. ??
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shruthi, people like Jai scare me more than people like Manohar. They are so volatile. Is it not scary that even for your own conscience to speak to you, you need a trigger? I mean, humans feel empathy, don't they?

So, now he will see Adarsh and Swadheenta suffering, Simmi suffering, his mom suffering and will feel guilty and spill the beans. Meaning what? That if this had happened with someone else, someone that he did not know personally, he would be completely comfortable in spoiling their lives? How can such a man be forgiven?

Swadheenta and Adarsh and even Suhasini would oppose the system if they found out such injustice was being met to anyone... not just family. But for Jai to have a conscience, it has to be his family that is put under the scanner and gun? That doesn't make him human. It just doesn't.

If I had seen the slightest bit of remorse on his face, at-least some confusion, some flashbacks about how Swadheenta has been trying to tell all of them that her family is not wrong, him worrying about whether he is doing the right thing, but still following his father's orders, I would support the guy, because that would tell me he has a soul. Today, I am convinced he doesn't. I cannot forgive him, no matter what he does going forward. I can never trust the guy again, ever!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soapoperasrfun

Shruthi, This Jaidev Sinha defeated me . I had so much hopes on him, and this man defeated me.

Looking at what life is doing to the protagonists, Haider, Zubaida and Suhasini and Simmi, I am so dumbfounded that Jai could have a light romantic moment with his wife that night. How? How can such people live with themselves?

Jai changing and spilling the beans now makes no difference to me. He may feel guilty about it, but does that clear him of the moral injustice he was venturing out to do? Never! I rather he gets himself to a position of no redemption. He does not deserve it.

Abhay is dead. But Adarsh and Swadheenta are dying, each day. His mother is falling apart every time in court when she has to mention DCP Sinha's name. Is he not privy to all this? Does he not remember how he taunted Swadheenta every time she wanted to identify the true killers of Abhay and not just getting justice for Asad? Was he not there when everyone of them literally hunted down on Swadheenta for her want to stand up for truth and justice?

Manohar is a lost cause. The system is important to him. But Jai? He was shown to love his brothers. He was shown to have a soul. I will be fair. I was not expecting him to spill the beans immediately. I knew he will be conflicted some. But some repentance, some confusion, some sorrow... some humanity? He may not have been a part of it, but the lives of so many people got destroyed. And I did not see even one iota of concern on his face. He was just willing to go with his dad.

Tomorrow, I don't know how the truth will come out. I don't know if Jai will confide in Jaya, or if Jaya tumbles on something, or Swadheenta discredits Yash, or Adarsh finds some truth, or Suhasini finds some information... I don't know what will happen. But No matter what happens and how much Jai regrets this, he does not deserve forgiveness. He is as bad as Manohar. In fact, Manohar is better, because he is decisive. Jai is neither here nor there. People like him are worse than Manohar. I am truly disappointed in him.

I think the reporter mentioned Allen Broad in her statement (as per precap). Waiting to see if that will ring alarming bells in Suhasini's mind. She knows that they had him released and Manohar had a role to play. Adarsh is unaware of that too.

I am waiting to see if this Allen Broad name was a leak Paddy got on her own, or if it was fed to her by Jaidev (or someone related). But I don't understand why Jaidev would have such an announcement made. Why would he involve Allen Broad because he knows of his dad's connection to him. Maybe, just maybe, Jai had intentions of helping Swadheenta but knew he wouldn't be able to do it directly by opposing his father? Is there still some goodness left in this man? I am scared to him. He has disappointed me enough.

Do u remember the scene where jaidev tries to shake off the blood of Abhay like a murderer. I think in real sense he has killed Abhay today.
I dont know if that symbolism points to something of what he would do in future. Maybe Shruti could shed more light.

And even like you more than manohar im disappointed with Jaidev. For manohar & Suha their kids were always a tool. But Jaidev i felt his brothers were most important. He has seen Abhay taking Asad's name and dying in his hands, The one who fired 11 bullets at Abhay is roaming free. How has he just forgotten anything and reacted so coldly & calmly to it.

Abhay trusted Adarsh & Jaidev tried to tell them the truth. One is in blind gandhari mode & one decides to forget his brothers last wish so conveniently.
Edited by naq5 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@priti isn't Jai the quintessential hero of our soaps. I mean if you look most of the soaps with top TRP rating it is men like him that are there and women like Jaya.
Thankfully Suhas doesn't fit the bill of the TRP churner Saas. She is in a class of her own.
isn't it the fact that shows like Dahleez don't get much TRP because it is not a man like Jai who is its protoganist but it is men like Adarsh and Abhay who defy rules, who challenge system.
Isnt the reason Swadeenta Ramakrishnan instead of Jaya Sinha is the leading lady which our audience cannot digest.
It was the same when EHT was running. People were there who loved the leading lady to marry the rapist and reform him because he had the attributes of how a man should be.
In contrast Dev was a failure, doesn't matter he had the courage to request for a second chance, fight for a second chance, take the punishment for his mistake. Dev lacked the appeal because he was deemed weak.
I want to ask what is weakness. Who is weak. Does loving your family becomes weakness, committing mistakes become weakness, fighting within the system is weakness, having courage to own up your mistake is weakness. My answer is no.
Actually it is men like Jai who are weak. They only have an inflated ego, but no substance. Isnt it time men like him are pushed to back ground and chance be given for crossed, confused men like Adarsh. Who want to change the system, but alone cannot do, but can do it if a woman of conviction like Swadeenta or Durga is by their side.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Naq i vivdly remember the scene you refer to ...i was reminded of Lady Macbth trying to wash the blood stains after killing the king. The search for power or reaching it as fast as she could made her a megalomaniac.
Here we find that Jai has become so compliant to all the unfair means of the system. there seems to be no soul or conscience in place. It has to be restored in him for him to act.
I wonder in what way ANGRY YOUNG MAN that Jaya used fits him
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Exactly Naq. I am not convinced that the kids were tools for Suhasini. She has never used them for her benefit. She may have tried to manipulate them into marrying the right kind of girls etc, but that is her right as a mother. But professionally, she has never been shown as someone who would want a say in what they do.

Manohar, yes, he has always looked at only his gains. But at-least he has been consistent in that. We know that guy cannot be trusted. We won't.

Jaidev! 😡 Don't get me started again. Instead of him sitting on the bed with Jaya, if they had shown him thinking about everything that has happened, wondering if he is wrong and then Jaya came and tied the thread as a guiding light, I would be very happy. I would accept that. But that guy showed no remorse. I had expected more from him. I am truly disappointed with him.

And yes, the scene that you are referring to... I clearly remember it. And he will never be able to wash the blood off of his hands, ever! Abhay may have taken 11 bullets for the country. But he took the 12th bullet today, and it was shot by Jaidev! The 11 bullets probably killed Abhay's body, but this 12th one would have hurt his soul.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@priti isn't Jai the quintessential hero of our soaps. I mean if you look most of the soaps with top TRP rating it is men like him that are there and women like Jaya.

Thankfully Suhas doesn't fit the bill of the TRP churner Saas. She is in a class of her own.
isn't it the fact that shows like Dahleez don't get much TRP because it is not a man like Jai who is its protoganist but it is men like Adarsh and Abhay who defy rules, who challenge system.
Isnt the reason Swadeenta Ramakrishnan instead of Jaya Sinha is the leading lady which our audience cannot digest.
It was the same when EHT was running. People were there who loved the leading lady to marry the rapist and reform him because he had the attributes of how a man should be.
In contrast Dev was a failure, doesn't matter he had the courage to request for a second chance, fight for a second chance, take the punishment for his mistake. Dev lacked the appeal because he was deemed weak.
I want to ask what is weakness. Who is weak. Does loving your family becomes weakness, committing mistakes become weakness, fighting within the system is weakness, having courage to own up your mistake is weakness. My answer is no.
Actually it is men like Jai who are weak. They only have an inflated ego, but no substance. Isnt it time men like him are pushed to back ground and chance be given for crossed, confused men like Adarsh. Who want to change the system, but alone cannot do, but can do it if a woman of conviction like Swadeenta or Durga is by their side.


Agree Shruthi.

I don't think the strength or weakness of a character can be attributed to the amount of mistakes they make or rectify in their lifetime. Making mistakes, learning from them are all human qualities. If you are human, you cannot be perfect.

I also am glad you mentioned that loving your family is not a weakness. It is true. As many aspirations as we may have for the world, most of us act in the context of our families. We understand the true nature and implication of things mostly when it is personalized in our context. That is not a problem. But as humans, it shouldn't stop us from feeling empathy when someone else is going through trouble. It shouldn't stop us from lending a helping hand, however small it may be, to someone who needs it and deserves it.

That is the problem with people like Jai. The TRP aunties may love them. But they are immoral, they are shady and they are wrong!

It is time such people are shunned. And I hope Dahleez is a pathway to enlightenment for this new age "Angry young Man".
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@naq I remember that scene. He will remember the blood of his brother and his last desperate attempt to spill the truth even while hit by 11 bullets, when something happens to Simmi. Doctor has to declare the baby is in danger. It is she or the baby. I feel it will happen for moron Jaidev Sinha to understand what he is doing
@priti Jai doesn't mix professional and personal. For him at this point he only needs to prove Asad is guilty, he has not thought about Abhay at all. And if you look all people in power are like that only. if it hits them then they awake, if it someone else who cares. That's why I always it is not just end, but the means also matters. But for people like Jai it is end justify the means.

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