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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#31

@Adarsh cannot openly defend Swa at this point. No way.

@priti if the finger prints prove that Asad didn't kill Abhay, whether Asad is a terrorist or not is a secondary question. But they will have to hunt down Aravind Gupta as it is clear a 4th person is involved. See the first task of Swa is to have Aravind Gupta established as a credible suspect. Once that happens she can move to next things. Blowing the illusion of Aravind Gupta is the first step, second is discrediting Yash Bundela, the toughest, but most important step.

See if she establishes Aravind Gupta as a credible suspect we can expect dirty games from Suha. She will play for sure.

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naq5

@naq5

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Posted: 9 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: Soapoperasrfun
@Sur - Swadheenta is asking the right questions, but if you think about it, so are the Sinha's. This case is about whether the Jialni's are terrorists or not. Not about whether Aravind is a terrorist or not. As important as that question is, it is for the police and the army to answer, catch and bring him to justice. Unless Swadheenta can establish that he was actually present there at the same time that the blasts happened, there is no escape for the Jilani's. That is what is going against her at the moment. Although she is saying that he was present, she has not been able to prove it. That is why, although she has mentioned it many times that there was another person, it has not been deemed important. It is not that the 4th person being present is not important in general. But is it not important in the context of this case, because a 4th person being present does not prove the Jilani's are not terrorists.
In the 3rd hearing I think she will prove something related to finger-prints etc to establish that just as Asad was there at the crime scene, so was Aravind and hence he has to be questioned. Till she does that, there is no relevance of Aravind to this case...

Does that make sense?😆

i would like to ask why is it not important if Arvind is a terrorist or not. Even if Asad is a terrorist there is a very full possibility that Arvind can also be a terrorist. A terrorist is on the loose. one who plotted for the bombs along with the others. Innocents were killed & Abhay too. Why is Arvind not important. If he could be 4 of them why are the sinha's and court itself so keen on giving him a clean chit without interrogating. Though Swa may not be having any proofs for Asad I think Swa has shown enough proofs that Arvind could be one of them. He may not be important to prove Asad and haider as innocent but he is important in the case.i am very unhappy with the way they have shown courts & police as so irresponsible.Also it looks like the Sinhas are only othered about who killed Abhay they are not bothered about who killed innocent people too

Do the Sinhas even want to punish the real masterminds responsible for their Abhay's death. If so they would have wanted to have caught hold of arvind so that more information is extracted. Also it looks like the Sinhas are only bothered about who killed Abhay they are not bothered about who killed innocent people too. Actually if Arvind was that innocent why not use him as a proof against Asad & haider

Sorry but if suha is in a frame of mind to fight the case she can also think on the lines that there could be more to just asad & haider being terrorists. If adarsh can file a PIL then he can too think and introspect. They just do not want to open their eyes and most of it is not due to the tragedy that has come on them but due to their high handed power blindness. i cannot empathize with Suha once she has defended Arvind as the innocent scared guy who ran away without. any concrete proofs in favor him. Him not being on the blast spot does not prove he is innocent.Does she not know that not all masterminds come directly in the line of fire. No one still knows about bilal. Does she even realise the repercussions of what she was saying

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pomegranate

@pomegranate

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Posted: 9 years ago

#33

shruthi, what did you think of suhasini and swadheenta in the courtroom?

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Soapoperasrfun

@Soapoperasrfun

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Posted: 9 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: nerdywanderer
I am sorry for barging in here but this is a very good discussion going on! I am not sure if many will agree but i feel in some ways they faltered while writing the characteristics of adarsh. As an IAS he shouldn't be this unaware about the failure in system but nonetheless its far better then the average characters shown on tv😃

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Firstly, anyone is welcome here... You certainly did not barge in.

Secondly, I think Adarsh is one of the most realistic characters that has been written. I will tell you why -

1. Adarsh has been shown to believe that there is corruption in the system and that he wishes to eliminate it. But he has never believed that the system is a complete failure. In fact even Swadheenta does not believe that. They think that the system is weak because of a few corrupt people, and this is true. Unfortunately in his case, some of the people making this system weak belong to his own family, but he is blissfully unaware of it at the moment.

2. Adarsh's brother was a DCP and did his job very well. He died in the line of duty, and his brother's colleagues (cops) told him that Asad killed Abhay and that is why they shot him and killed him. They clearly told him that Asad was a terrorist. And the fact that Abhay's final word was "Asad" has led Adarsh into believing that Asad is a terrorist. He is only going by this as evidence and is upset that Swadheenta is not accepting it.

3. Swadheenta has reason to believe that Asad and Haider are not terrorists. You can call it intuition, gut, whatever. But her belief in them comes from knowing them personally. Adarsh does not have that advantage. He knows the police system, the army, the government better than he knows the Jilani's. Just like Swadheenta believes that Jilani's are correct because she knows them well, Adarsh's contention is that he knows the system well and that is why they have to be correct.

4. The cops saying that Asad killed Abhay is admissible evidence to a great extent. Swadheenta saying that she knows Haider and Asad are innocent is not admissible evidence. She is asking good questions to refute circumstantial evidence that is being presented. But she does not have conclusive evidence to show that her clients are innocent. He is accepting the facts based on evidence that is being presented to him.

5. He is in love with Swadheenta. Swadheenta is his wife. But the ones that she is standing against are also his own people, his mother, his father, his brother, whom he greatly respects and loves. Without any evidence to back her story, it is only love that he has to go by. When he loves everyone equally, he has to go by evidence. He has never demeaned Swadheenta in public or said anything rude to her in the presence of anyone else. He may not defend Swadheenta openly, but he has not demeaned her also, even in front of his family. Under the present circumstances, that is huge.

Like Sur, I will also loose my job if I don't stop now... 😆

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Soapoperasrfun

@Soapoperasrfun

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Posted: 9 years ago

#35

@Naq - I didn't say that Aravind is not important. But he is not important in this context because his being there at the time of the bomb blast has not been established.

Is Aravind a terrorist, maybe he is. Did he have anything to do with this blast? There is no evidence of it. But there is ample evidence even if it is circumstantial that Asad had a role to play.

The case is not about terrorists in general. It is about terrorists who were involved in this terror activity. And there is no evidence to tie Aravind to any of it yet. Like they keep saying, he has been a ghost.

So, if it important to focus and punish people that they already have evidence against, or go find a person that may or may not have anything to do with these terror attacks... that is the question the prosecution is asking.

If tomorrow Aravind gets caught for some other terror planning, they will prosecute him too. But today, there is no proof of his connection with this case... that is what they are saying. I am presenting their POV 😆

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Sur89

@Sur89

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Posted: 9 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: nerdywanderer
I am sorry for barging in here but this is a very good discussion going on! I am not sure if many will agree but i feel in some ways they faltered while writing the characteristics of adarsh. As an IAS he shouldn't be this unaware about the failure in system but nonetheless its far better then the average characters shown on tv😃

@nerdy ..Adarsh's character is made like this only. he was always the same. the writers have made his character same as almost all men are. they need a guide ,a companion,a wife,a life partner to sail them through in situations of uncertainty.

Adarsh himself said that he is trying to make a balance in him , he is trying to make a balance with the maturity of yash and childishness of abhay.

During Vanshika case also it took Swa to bring the truth to his family. He was so pressurized by the emotions of his dad and mom and at the same time he was driven by his own emotions for swa. He was helping swa for banvarilal case n went to faridabad but he hided this from suha although that case came to his desk also. He knew the truth about abhay simmi marriage but it also tool swa to bring the truth infront of suha n manohar. During ahuza slap case or swa/suha conflict in the engagement ,he was easily manipulated .

So Adarsh is a character who is idealistic and will always support truth but at the same time he is naive and weak and donot have the strength to see the hidden truth. It will be Swa who will become his strength and will help him grow as perfect person and bring the best out of him.

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naq5

@naq5

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Posted: 9 years ago

#37

Also the police man who saw the terrorists in the car and informed Abhay, did he not see that there were 4 people in the car. So why are they not trying to find the 4th person. Swa should interrogate him & ask him to identify faces

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#38

@priti has defended Adarsh well and I will add some points to it . Actually Adarsh Sinha is created in the same mould as Sooraj Rathi of DABH and Dev Goenka of EHT. Conflicted men who want to balance things out in a society where a man's priority is expected to be a son, brother but not husband. What if he wants to be a good lover, good husband. What if he wants to support his gf, his wife against his family wishes when they are right and his family is wrong. We all love to see the balance of women as daughters, sisters then bahus. Just like the bahu is a cross on a women's neck, son is a cross on a man's neck in our society. Somehow you have to bear this cross and live it. If a partner supports it is easier for them. By no means they are weak characters. It needs a great emotional stability to balance it out. We have seen angry young men. But it is time we see men who are crossed , who are empathetic. Since I have watched all the 3 characters I anyways was planning to compare and contrast their crosses once the show Dahleez is over. And also the women Sandhya, Durga and Swa.

Interestingly SP has created all the 3 characters.

@naq let us wait for third hearing.

@pom Suha has come to get justice, to win and Swa has come to protect. protect the dignity of her mamu and brother. A woman who is going to protect is the most ferocious. She cannot be stopped. She will go any extend.

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naq5

@naq5

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Posted: 9 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: Soapoperasrfun
@Naq - I didn't say that Aravind is not important. But he is not important in this context because his being there at the time of the bomb blast has not been established.
Is Aravind a terrorist, maybe he is. Did he have anything to do with this blast? There is no evidence of it. But there is ample evidence even if it is circumstantial that Asad had a role to play.

The case is not about terrorists in general. It is about terrorists who were involved in this terror activity. And there is no evidence to tie Aravind to any of it yet. Like they keep saying, he has been a ghost.

So, if it important to focus and punish people that they already have evidence against, or go find a person that may or may not have anything to do with these terror attacks... that is the question the prosecution is asking.

If tomorrow Aravind gets caught for some other terror planning, they will prosecute him too. But today, there is no proof of his connection with this case... that is what they are saying. I am presenting their POV 😆

I think Swa has presented enough proofs that could hint at arvinds involvement. The call he made to asad that 3 of them were going to agra, Adarsh testifying that gift was given by arvind, him living with the terrorists & now absconding.

Also not being present at the blast site is no evidence that arvind is innocent. There are masterminds who work behind the scenes and every1 knows that

If there are no concrete proofs that arvind is involved there are no concrete proofs that prove his innocence too.

the issue is that suha is trying to prove a potential terrorist innocent. she is only bothered about punishing who shot abhay not bothered about who did the blasts & who is behind them. Otherwise even she has no proofs that arvind was not involved other than he was not seen at blast site. She is only assuming he is absconding due to fear, where as being absconding itself is a crime which hints at something sinister

i can actually understand them trying toprove asad & haider as culprits, but cannot understand them trying to prove arvind innocent to get that

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#40

@naq they are missing more important point. That Arvind's finger print is not there in the house, while Asad's exists. How can a guy who stayed in the house cannot leave any finger print . That is the most suspicious aspect of it. I hope Swa latches on it.

It is not possible, unless you intentionally erase your finger print.

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