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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suni

Agree with what a lot of you'll had to say BUT ... I hope you all realize that in the context of the serial, this was planned by Swadeentha and the villagers. That whole drama between Ahuja and the farmers was recorded by Swa and that's her trump card that she is going to bring out today. I think Swa was the lady in the red saree with the ghoongat. So in the serial itself, the farmers are not going against her but in fact following her plan. 😊


maybe whatever you are saying is right but without watching todays episode i cannot comment anything..😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@kappi @kitty I am not blaming the farmers. What we are seeing is life. That is what it is. Even truth needs proofs. If the case is dismissed they will not get anything. So to get whatever that is there, they are willing to tell what Ahuja wants them to tell.
If you watch Savdhaan India or Crime Patrol you will see many instances like this where fight for justice is no easy path. And many times people even lose life trying to get justice. It is sad but that is the truth.
And what I liked about swa is that even she was willing to bend the rules for getting proofs. Some street smartness is shown in her. That gave her a humane touch. That necessary grey.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@kaapi - agree with you.With power comes greater responsibility.
And there are all kinds of people in services.Like in the rest of professions.Problem is that there is no way to judge who will stay ethical 10 years down the line.

That is what I meant.A lot of people enter services with a greater mission in mind.In the current scenario ,with entrances and academic achievements as major criterias, also with coaching institutes feeding and practising interview templates ,one can never be sure of the intentions of candidates.

Services are attractive to ones looking for power and status in society. Many of my batchmates from medical college joined IAS and many have joined medical specialisation with the most money minting ability.Very few are actually willing to serve the society selflessly.
But a lot many do have a will for change in mind at the outset,otherwise why wouldnt they join jobs with similar if not more lucrative income with lesser complication,instaed.This will however does not stand the test of time and patience.One gets tired and frustrated because nobody appreciates the self appointed robinhoods.
It's a fact that money speaks in the society.Nobody will care about my children ,their education ,their life even if I am a do-gooder.

What I mean is that as young adults most of us have good intentions but with age and responsibilities ,money becomes a very important deciding factor.

Would you rather work in a rural hospital at the age of 35 after studying for 10-15 years with barely any income and facilities or in a posh corporate setup ,education and other facilities available to your family at doorsetup.Its not only the money,it's the lifestyle and facilities for your families.Most people take mid grounds and compromise somehow.

Not everyone can be a Dr Baba amte.

These doubts and guilt won't plaque someone who isn't in a profession which is closely linked to society and service
Many IAS officers quit their jobs because well the salary isn't attractive at all compared to what people get in IT jobs and flexibility to change jobs.
Most importantly , as a district collector,one has many responsibilities and cannot focus on developing one area. ,they may invest their time and resources on a project say like a school development programme. Some political person may not like the project or his land may be under threat.There is continuous appeasing and back slappery.They may be transferred somewhere else while the project is Midway .

That is why people drop IAS ,do something else ,start an NGO and do something they actually believe in from which they cannot be pulled out.
Same happens in corporate hospitals,many of them have a working model which demands an amount to be generated through the doctor in order for him to be paid satisfactorily and for the hospital owners to stay happy while letting the hospital be maintained as posh as ever.

It is easier to remain ethical and ideal when one is a lone player.Things change with family and responsibilities for many.And for some ethics and ideals are never even the concern.In the practical sense ,they are the happiest as they never feel responsible or even guilty.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@doc I agree with you. I work in IT and it is much easier in our profession to talk about ethics. Because we rarely face moral conflicts. But I very well understand the professions you mentioned especially that of doctors it is not easy.
Many as you said take mid path. They work in corporate hospitals and weekly one day or so they go to rural health camps or go for a certain period with NGOs. So that you manage to give something to society, at the same time eke out a comfortable living for the family.
Even my org has a CSR wing and I do work in education sector. So again it is mid ground. So at some point you have to reach mid ground. A combination of ideals and practicality.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@doc I agree with you. I work in IT and it is much easier in our profession to talk about ethics. Because we rarely face moral conflicts. But I very well understand the professions you mentioned especially that of doctors it is not easy.

Many as you said take mid path. They work in corporate hospitals and weekly one day or so they go to rural health camps or go for a certain period with NGOs. So that you manage to give something to society, at the same time eke out a comfortable living for the family.
Even my org has a CSR wing and I do work in education sector. So again it is mid ground. So at some point you have to reach mid ground. A combination of ideals and practicality.


Quite right Shruthi, in India we decide career making decisions at the age of 17-18 when we don't even have a clue about ourselves,limitations etc.
I see a lot of unethical practices because there is no end to greed and for some it is a motivational factor in life.Problem remains that when it comes to life,one can't be vicarious.
As my partner (IT professional) says ,"I can correct and rerun my codes,but you can't", I wish I had the choice of correcting my mistakes or having a chance to approach someone differently a second time as the price we pay is huge .
mid ground is the best way to balance things.Or there are facilities which charge minimally(low cost models) .An amount of money may be sufficient for me but not the other person.

One can't even point fingers at business like hospitals because at the end of the day if they provide the service ,they can demand what they want.And there are people willing to pay for the same.Why should a doctor be the one with moral compass is what my friends say,when the ones taking their service have none.
There is no end to it and money equals the ability to do things in our society.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Shruthi - organisations which have active CSRs are such a good way to initiate people to grassroot level work where the human resource grossly deficit.
Appreciate your taking out time for the same.Education is a passionate subject for me.

I wish someday all of us take out time ,at least an hour on weekends for some development project or NGOs.Everyone should experience working at grassroot level at least once in life.
It's a shame with such a huge population, very few contribute to the society.most of us don't know how to go about it
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@docdocgo : Hardly anything to disagree with what you said. Though every profession helps and contributes in nation building, some professions are directly accountable to the public and society, often creating a moral dilemma over the way things work in reality vs the way a fresh and ambitious individual would like the things to work ideally.

The definition of the term an 'honest and very able officer' which we perceive in theory is a lot different in reality, 'coz it's almost impossible to fight every political/higher authority influence at every step. Of course, there are exceptions but the percentage is very less. So it all boils down to one's own conscious and till what level are they ready to compromise over stuff. It's the degree that varies which separates an 'honest' one from an absolutely 'dishonest' and money minded public servants. They ought to find a middle ground to survive and be able to continue offering their services without being on a guilt trip all the time. And it's possible too.

NGOs yes, but even they are not free from various kinds of politics once they start expanding. 😆 But thankfully, those politics don't trickle down to the volunteering level as such.

@TM : Nice thread. Thought provoking and it led to some decent discussions. 😊
Edited by Kaapi - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@kaapi- haha.I just remembered by own words from a few years back,when things were rosy in my head and I wanted to do everything for free and be a no charging doctor, a volunteer teacher ,caretaker and a lot of other things.
I had no understanding of why I had to earn money as my parents were both working and I felt it was enough for us to survive decently.

But once I passed out I realised that even among my colleagues,someone working with nonprofit is considered a substandard doctor, not confident about his abilities.
Having a high income generating primary job with secondary voluntary activities is considered good work.But when I communicated with my friends about working full time in rural areas I was laughed at for committing professional suicide.
Much later I got out of the romantic idealism and realised my motivations in life were different and yet one can't be dependent on parents and spouse for their entire lives .Also I was answerable to others attached to me.Hence compromises and mid grounds.
I still treasure the dream of doing the same at some later age with lesser responsibities.
😊

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I totally agree with the facts u stated in general..
But here is a catch..
I think its a trap laid by swa..
She has herself send the farmers for pleading in front of ahuja and infact she herself was present there under veil and she'l record everything.. lets just wait of next epi before any conclusion..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: yawfeh


hi this is gayatri..

in kalyug...rich or poor or both faces the situation called pressure but for poor out of 100 percent in the society only 0.01 percent survives coming out of it which is the rarest case.. I m giving the general example which is happening in India currently.. I was a battle between rich n poor and its still a battle between rich and poor..

rich can be weak pressurised but they come out easily coz of money and illegal ways..
but poor however he is pressurised , the chances of them to face the situation and coming out is difficult although they have courage to fight.. either their voices are suppressed or they are killed..and even if you show courage you family will be harmed.. this is the current status in india..

to be more precise ...

rich person if he goes through any problem any pressure , he has money to get the things cleared easily

poor person if he has truth and courage he may struggle , he may fight ultimate result is either they will be harmed or their family will be harmed and media makes most of the money by portraying their stories..

courage strenght both are required but money contacts and influential people are also required in this era to prove ourselves..

i m not talking about corruption ,... having only courage truth and streghth we cannot and we will not be able to fight for justice.. as our system is not the same as it was ages before.. to fight the battle , manipulation , contacts power , money everything is required in equal proportions.. Rich people or culprits misuse them for escaping easily from the law.. but rare people know how to use it tactfully and get justice..

This is my pov. and my comments are reserved😊

Hi Gayatri
Nice to meet you

Okay let me.explain what I meant :-)
The society is with the rich I feel is a myth ,society is neither with the rich nor poor ,society is with those who benift them

Corporate s. Suffer too but we look at the ones that benifit mostly ...i am an Investment bankers by profession
There are many instances were there is an very very unfair treatment , and when the other party is in power they face discrimination ,many company has faced bankruptcy even

But what we hear of many times is the ones who are unfairly benifit ed by they're a large group firms or the rich also who suffer ,

If for a farmer survival is his priority. So is it for a ceo of a company
And the number you quoted would be same across all.strata

Bottom line people justify being dishonest. Like in this case farmers reasoning of survival of corporates reasoning of establishment

But the reason to be honest I.think.isnl the same

PS -typos IRS my phone and I am lazy to go back and edit it:)
Edited by tttttt1 - 9 years ago

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