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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: india2050

Also, I was thinking, wasn't Ghori the Sultan of Delhi and now its Khilji? So is Khilji's Chacha jaan Ghori? Going to check on it now!
Well Ghori and Khilji were absolutely unrelated. Ghori defeated Prithviraj Chauhan in 1192. There was the Slave(Mamluk) Dynasty started by Aibak (after whom we have the Qutub Minar).
Khilji's chacha overthrew the Mamluks and established the Khilji dynasty. Allauddin killed his uncle and became the ruler. The happenings in the serial are around 1297 - 1303 timeframe. Rani Padmini committed Jauhar in 1303.

thanks for this piece of information 😃
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Just putting my opinion below and am welcome to be corrected
From what I have read from history, in the medival period the concept of India was pretty loose. There were many kingdoms, some strong, some weak. Allauddin was the first king after the 7th century to go deep south and deep east and bring it under one banner. Even Prithviraj Chauhan had control only over Ajmer and Delhi + some areas up north that's it. There were far more kingdoms in east/south/central powerful than Prithviraj's kingdom but they could not be bothered about fighting Ghori. Ghori was defeated in the later battles within India with the Chandelas (who gave us the Khajuraho temples)
Well, thanks for the information. But if that's the case, then still I don't understand why other kingdoms like south and central ones didn't help Prithviraj in the first place. Why wait till he looted north? But may be now if I come to think of it, there were distance constraints too in those times. We didnt have facilities like mobile phones, cars to pass the news quickly.
I know that in those times, every other kingdom apart from your own was mainly like enemy, but I feel bad that they couldnt think of India as a nation and fight for it.
Also the Afghans/Central Asians had far more better tactics (probably having fought many wars) and better seige/offensive weapons. Babur who came later won in Panipat and Khanwa (against Rana Sanga) primarily on the strength of his artillery. Artillery and guns were unknown in India before Babur came. So this also points to the fact that our weapons were outdated, tactics were poor and this led to our repeated defeats against the invaders.
hmm thats interesting and totally different point of view. However, I am not equipped with that much knowledge on this issue to comment on it. But I still feel that mugals won cause of their fraudulent strategies and indian kings never lost grip on their own rules

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jenifer.

I love the way you think CherryPrincess and I do have to agree with the points you have noted.

Thanks for saying that 😛 Good to know that there are people who have similar views.
I remember fuming over Rana's decision to forgive Malkhan Singh just because he asked for forgivness. Anyone could've seen that Malkhan only did so just because he wanted to save his skin, not because he truly was sorry. The dude tried to harm his to-be wife for God's sake and look what forgivness did to him. Malkhan only came back to avenge.
This is what unlimited forgiveness does. I do agree that it's better to forgive and forget. It takes someone of high tolerance and a pure heart to do so but if someone has a known history to be 'bad' then it's it stupid to fall into their trap. A King is supposed to be 'chalak' as well as everything else. Unfortunately, the rulers of their own lands couldn't get over their rules to which they lived and dies by. And now look where it all got them.
Fully agree to this.
I too glum over the olden golden India where it prospired in all sense. If the rulers of their small states could only get over the 'aan baan aur shaan' of lands and be able to join hands, maybe that India would've still been with us today.
It's sad but it's our history and we have to live with it. But, atleast we will be always remembered as fair, noble, and kind fellows. We won't be remembered by any blood-stained history like of Holocaust. Thank god for that. Failing because of fairness is much better than winning by spilling a lot of innocent blood.

Edited by CherryPrincess - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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All surrounding states weren't enemies, Jodhaa Akbar showed that the Rajputana were quite together and ruled separately, Jodha's dad wanted to talk about getting her married to Akbar and the other Rajput Kings were against it...

And why did Prithviraj need to loot the north - that isn't nice!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: CherryPrincess

Failing because of fairness is much better than winning by spilling a lot of innocent blood.

Loving that line and it's true. I'd rather loose by telling the truth than win by siding with the lie. And now come to think of it, it's how the Kings thought too. Deception was a common thing back then as a mean to get your way. If there's one thing I admire then it's the Kings' ability to stick to his moral grounds. But sometimes, just sometimes, it was plain stupidity. Aur galati kisse nahi hota? Woh bhi insaan thi.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sattvik

All surrounding states weren't enemies, Jodhaa Akbar showed that the Rajputana were quite together and ruled separately, Jodha's dad wanted to talk about getting her married to Akbar and the other Rajput Kings were against it...

And why did Prithviraj need to loot the north - that isn't nice!

Well yes, you are right. All surrounding states weren't enemies, but mostly they were and even if they were friends, atleast one of them betrayed and joined enemies or mugal armies.
About Prithviraj, I must admit. Even I felt bad by thinking that he was also marching on other states to expand his state, but I would say that was normal. To be a great and influential king, you needed to do that in those ages. Atleast he was fair, he never attacked enemy on his back, he never used fraud to win, he followed rules of the battle, so I can't speak anything against him on this matter.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jenifer.

Loving that line and it's true. I'd rather loose by telling the truth than win by siding with the lie. And now come to think of it, it's how the Kings thought too. Deception was a common thing back then as a mean to get your way. If there's one thing I admire then it's the Kings' ability to stick to his moral grounds. But sometimes, just sometimes, it was plain stupidity. Aur galati kisse nahi hota? Woh bhi insaan thi.

so true. after all they were human too! 😃
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Posted: 16 years ago
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So basically Prithviraj invaded other Kingdoms? Just like many of the Mughals did?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sattvik

So basically Prithviraj invaded other Kingdoms? Just like many of the Mughals did?

ya it was quite normal in those days.didn't Lord Rama & Pandavs sent horse by doing Yagna.but Indian Kings wenever attackd they almost fought wars by fair means.but Turks, Afghans & oders fought wars by using cheating.
i hav seen a serial on PRC long way back may b in eary 90s where it was shown dat PRC gave shelter 2 Mohd. Ghouri's bro who fled his bro's empire wid his Hindu galfrnd.it was also considered as oder excuse by Ghouri 2 attack PRC.during 1st war Ghori's bro trained sum of PRC's men in Turkish way of war so he has won but in dat war ghouri's bro got killed & allmost all soldiers who were trained in Turkish way of war.
wen 2nd time he attackd(after PRC let him live & go after capturing) no soldiers of PRC knew dat way of war & it led 2 PRC's defeat & death also
though i don't know whether dis story of Turkish way of war is true or not but from it its clear dat Indian kings rarely use treachareous methods 4 winning wars & Ghouri etc. never fought war wid fair means.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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ans i don't think dat PRC looted North.heonly fought wars wid oder Indian kings 2 expand its empire.
its true dat in those times nation theory like modern1 was not present but all of dem considered demselves as aryans or native of Jambudweep.
in those days 2 send sum1 wid news of war or attack cudn't b sent easily & early.
and sum of kings didn't help oders in wake of war as they think not 2 get involved in oders matters like 2day we Indians never raise our voice against injustices meeted 2 oders.

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