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Amrita

As for Draupadi blaming Yudhi after UP death, I can't see any reason behind it except her extreme anguish. She needed to pour that pain on someone and she did it. She could not tell Bheem that you were responsible. Bheem could reply, "Please remember that I agreed with peace visit, it was you who did not." But Yudhi would never say this to her. Draupadi herself knew that she was not speaking right words. She said, "You will be happy now, you will never remember Abhi" is this true? Not at all! Read the lines before her entry, you will find Yudhi weeping even more than her! Did she not know how deeply hurt he was after Abhi's death? Then why did she say so? I can't see anything except pain here. She could not say so in normal condition.
Last but not the least, Yudhi never wanted war. So why would she blame him? Yes I know you all will talk about dice game but I strongly believe that was not her point at all. She knew that he was already punished for that. If she wanted to mean that only then there were several moments to do that, eg, Abhi/Ghato's death, or after war when he denied the crown then she could have reminded him that you were all responsible so why crying like a fool? But did she do so?

Yes anu

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

Krishna also never specifically states the social justice as a reason. Would we also not assume greatness?😊

Ofcourse he does in Bhagavad Gita...
Yada yada hi dharmasya...

Honestly...if it had not been for Bhagavad Gita, then I dont think this war would have been called Dharmayuddh...

Originally posted by: Adishakti

Yes anu

Rightly pointed out the crux of the whole issue...

She says Gita just like govind does...she is the one who not only says but acts on it she does her karma and sacrifices everyone she loves excluding her husband yet...Krishna incarnated for greater good of the society...

Krishna never mentions welfare of society explicitly whatever he tells Arjun is motivate him to fight the war...he never mentions it for greater good in as many words...but people believe he did imply that..then why not draupadi

If Vishnu was incarnated as Krishna for greater good...what greater good did he cause by the war...but everyone excepts that he did. What sacrifices did he make till the time he was to leave earth...his family fratricide happened at the time of his death...till he was alive his family was with him, happy and prosperous.

It was Draupadi who had to live with grief of her children, her brothers, her uncles dying for 36 years...please don't say Krishna grief was equal to Draupadi it cannot be

But Draupadi was not a superwoman who could sacrifice everything for greater good

Exactly Adi...
Draupadi's sufferings are beyond limit...
Gandhari n Uttara suffered emotionally...but Draupadi suffered both emotionally n physically...
She lost everything n was even assaulted...

And she was a great woman...but seeing every action of hers in the light of sacrifice or Greater Good is not fair...
She was not a superwoman...she was a human n a great one...

No Amrita.

Krishna's sacrifice was greater IMHO. He said in Geeta that He is living within every living being, so all the dead bodies of war was His suffering only. All pains of their families were His pain only.
And if you see from another view, was not Abhi His darling? Arjun was Krishna's half soul, so how can Arjun's pain not Krishna's? Was Krishna very happy to see His dear Pandav-Panchali broken in grief?

Wel if Krishna was god...purusha she was prakriti..swarupa

They all sacrificed, of course. But Panchali was the only one who had ALL her blood killed.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

No Amrita.

He does not specifically state that he is fighting KK for social justice. Just that wherever adharm is, there will be God fighting it (Or taking birth).

Panchali says EXACTLY the same thing, but you demand further proof. Not that she is God, but that she was great even. That's what is not fair.

I don't see anyone of them as superhuman, including Krishna. I am just sad at the reluctance to give her her due. I don't see any difference in what she said and what Krishna said. Not only that, on a personal level, she sacrificed more.

I do see greatness in what she did. She was in no way a victim.

I have a different view of Draupadi...
I feel she was a victim...but she did not sit down n cry over pain...
She cried n made sure her tormentors cried too...She fought back n did not leave things to fate...
She was born with some great qualities but circumstances polished those qualities to perfection n she became the woman as we know her...

And I dont feel she targetted Yudisthir or waged war for bringing down the society...
I feel circumstances led her to the Pandavas n she accepted them calculating the pros n cons...
After marriage, she probably involved herself gradually in finance n politics, which she had learnt from her house...
Her crush for Arjun was there from the beginning...which strengthened after he came back with Subhadra...
But she being an intelligent woman did not drag the issue n accepted Subhadra into her life...all the more bcoz she was Lord Krishna's sister...n she focussed herself on more important things...all the while holding a special regard for Arjun...
Things were going well...She had grown into an Empress with duties...n also children...
But everything took a turn suddenly..with Dyut Sabha n in one moment, she lost everything she had built with her husban
She saved everyone cleverly with her intellect n fought on behalf of her husbands...Kn front of everyone she supported them n gave arguments on y she was not a slave...With that she frees herself n her husbands n later she goes to exile with her husbands...wiith the thought that she would never let go of her tormentors...The Ks had taken away everything from them n that was not the first time...The only way to end this once n for all is war...
She explains to Yudisthir that his forgiving nature had led to this...The time for forgiving is over...its time to wage war...
Her clear knowledge of wat is right n wrong comes out in this whole conversation...
Her husbands dont listen to her...despite her attempts...only her Govind promises her justice...

Gradually in 13 years she sees more evil...but with each injustice, she only became stronger n her resolve strengthened to have justice...When the peace proposal is sent...she is shattered but eventually Duryodhan's rejection forces her husbands to fight...if not for her dignity, then atleast for land...

The war begins...it brings her justice but takes away her loved ones...She is heartbroken n in her pain blames Yudisthir for everything...But gradually she overcomes her grief, forgives Ashwathama n instead of whining ober children, focusses on helping Yudisthir...
Wat was lost was lost...no point of regretting after such a massacre...So she urges Yudisthir to look forward...n focus on their future...Years pass by...
Lord Krishna departs n the Ps n Draupadi lose their interest in life...They decide to depart too...
Draupadi like a true Sati follows her husbands n eventually falls down n departs from this world...