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amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#251

Originally posted by: AnuMP
There is no need for Pandavas to say it.

Vidur says that Panchali managed the economy quite clearly, Karna said that she was the sharpest woman he had every seen and rescued the Pandavas and Dury said she was taking care of details during the Rajasooya.Vaishampayana said it to Janmejaya that she made certain every one of their entourage, including the Pandavas were fed and taken care of, fully.

She gave her own point of view about morality and ethics in the DS and dharm/karm with Yudhi.

If people still cannot see what she did, I would say it says more about the 'people' than about Panchali.

I had once read in a blog written by a brilliant writer that Draupadi is one character of the epic, the nature of judgement about whom says more about the judge than about Draupadi... 👏
Indeed...

People who call her names show their own narrow-mindedness...The real Draupadi, if she is watching all this from the sky, probably dont give a rat's ass to such people...

Its only fans like us...who feel bad, because, a small part of us love her more than we love ourselves...Or so I feel...

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#252

Originally posted by: Urmila11
In Yajnaseni, I remember reading her activities in exile. Did any other book show it other than AC?
Anyway, our version will have it 😊

That's why I liked AC. It gave credit to Panchali where it was due 👏

I know the reason you didn't like it😆

But when one author is writing, even if she / he is mega talented, there will be likes and dislikes which invariably color the characters.

That's why I would want us to be honest with our characters. May be we can come with something close to how they must have reacted.

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Semanti Chakraborty

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Posted: 10 years ago

#253

Btw- yesterday I got a MB magazine from which I knew that there are at least 3 famous literary works in Bengali portraying THAT angle artistically, but no mention of her real works in any of them. The authors of magazine articles also seem to be believers of that.

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#254

Originally posted by: AnuMP

That's why I liked AC. It gave credit to Panchali where it was due👏

I know the reason you didn't like it😆

But when one author is writing, even if she / he is mega talented, there will be likes and dislikes which invariably color the characters.

That's why I would want us to be honest with our characters. May be we can come with something close to how they must have reacted.

Exactly!!
And that is precisely y I have so much of anguish against them...
Authors of Yajnaseni, Palace of Illusions, Ajaya, Mrityunjay, Karna's Wife, Aryavarta Chronicles, etc are very very talented...
And that is y their works have got so much appreciation...

I have nothing against any author personally...They are all artists, n great ones...Ofcourse they need to add Creativity to add personal touch to their works...They pour in their likes n dislikes n feelings into their work, n if I had been an author, I would have done the same thing...
But its one thing to take creative liberty n another to intentionally twist facts n add convenient folktales to justify the protahonist n demean the others...
I really wish people could put forward their views in a neutral way, not harming other characters beyond wat is absolutely necessary...

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#255

Originally posted by: Urmila11
Btw- yesterday I got a MB magazine from which I knew that there are at least 3 famous literary works in Bengali portraying THAT angle artistically, but no mention of her real works in any of them. The authors of magazine articles also seem to be believers of that.

There are many many works on Mahabharat in Bengali...n people here have grown up with Kashi Dashi version...n hencethe effect... 😆

In an article by Pradip Bhattacharya, I got to know that Kashi Das had himself admitted to have travelled wide during his work, where he had heard a lot of folktales...n he had included all those folktales in his work...
When Kashi Das himself had admitted it, wonder y people consider his work as 'Original Mahabharat'...

Before delving much into the epic, I used to believe that KMG is the ultimate version of the epic...
But now I know, it is only a version that should be handed over to beginners for reference...The real knowledge is far away...n can only be learnt by studying all the versions...

It really bothers me that people narrow down their beliefs on wat they have read from childhood in their own native language...Mahabharat is not a story of one state...its a story of our whole culture...
So holding on to one version conveliently is not enough...Now I feel a comparative study of all the versions only can bringout to some extent the real story...which is ofcourse a difficult job.

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#256

By THAT angle, I presume you mean KaLi😆.

1) Being somewhat more realistic about love and romance, I will categorically state that you may have the hots for someone at first sight, but what happens at first ain't called LOVE 😆.

2) For actual LOVE to develop, you need positive interactions of some sort.

3) For even HATE to develop, you need SOME interactions.

Karna and Panchali had 2 interactions, one of which may not even have happened 😆 (suta putra). Neither even talked during the swayamvar to each other and during the DS, Panchali did not respond to him. To call them an item under these set of circumstances is demeaning to both. It makes Panchali a masochist of the worst kind and Karna gets reduced to a pitiful figure who carries an obsession for years.

I can buy the GoLi angle any day, because the affection is clearly evident. What that angle may be depends on your interpretation. But at least, they interacted with each other and that too, positively.

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#257

Amrita

Comparitive study is what brought about the CE. But it is just their compilation, not interpretation.

Some of the authors you mentioned have gone beyond interpretation. They have added scenes and words to Panchali and not just interpreted them differently. I could appreciate the thought that went into Ajaya, but just couldn't take the idea of Panchali and Subhi discussing Karna and Dury like some middle class housewives and that too, right in front of Dury's Queen😲. Also it did make up some events. I really liked POI because other than the silly romance angle, it stuck to the original. So did AC.

I would really like us to maintain intellectual integrity while doing this. Meaning that, we should react honestly as the characters would or find a reason why.

I am planning to give G some guilt for KP. Because it was genocide. And he has not otherwise committed genocide.

I would love for Brishti to delve into what Arjun felt and for Urmila to write what a completely human Yudhi felt during the division or the DS.

May be we can come somewhat close to the original.

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#258

Urmila

I need your help again.

😳

'After the I am you, you are me' statement of G's, Panchali comes there, right? What does she say? Just one stanza will do

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#259

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Amrita

Comparitive study is what brought about the CE. But it is just their compilation, not interpretation.

Some of the authors you mentioned have gone beyond interpretation. They have added scenes and words to Panchali and not just interpreted them differently. I could appreciate the thought that went into Ajaya, but just couldn't take the idea of Panchali and Subhi discussing Karna and Dury like some middle class housewives and that too, right in front of Dury's Queen😲. Also it did make up some events. I really liked POI because other than the silly romance angle, it stuck to the original. So did AC.

I would really like us to maintain intellectual integrity while doing this. Meaning that, we should react honestly as the characters would or find a reason why.

I am planning to give G some guilt for KP. Because it was genocide. And he has not otherwise committed genocide.

I would love for Brishti to delve into what Arjun felt and for Urmila to write what a completely human Yudhi felt during the division or the DS.

May be we can come somewhat close to the original.

I agree Anu...which is y I consider CE with high regard...
And I too loved Palace of Illusions...initially I thought it was bad but after reading it, I realized, except that angle, it is a masterpiece...n rightfully an international bestseller...
Chitra Banerjee did not portray Duryodhan like a villain beyond wat is there in the text...Nor did she whitewash Draupadi completely...Her flaws, insecurities n even inner conflicts have been shown...Unlike Yajnaseni by Pratibha Ray, which has completely whitewashed Draupadi, Chitra Banerjee was honest...n has more or less stuck to the epic...

Havent read Ajaya yet...but honestly, I am really scared to read it...Dont know wat I'll read there about Draupadi...

I think we should all try to portray the characters with honesty...n not try to over-justify...Lets be honest for once n try to see the various perspectives without being biased... 😊

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#260

CBD is an awesome author.

But I will never agree that she portrayed Panchali accurately. Her Panchali is an educated woman but unable to see beyond her own self centered needs. She made Panchali MUCH worse than the already interpolated epic.

In the epic with its 66-92% interpolations, Panchali still comes across as a scholar even as early as the DS. In the exile, she says what amounts to the core of Gita.

CBD's Panchali is nothing of the sort. She is a moony teenager. Mooning after the wrong guy to be sure. But no different than the 100s of Panchalis in the ArDi FFs.

Epic Panchali talked a few times at length and EACH time her POV wins. In the DS, NO ONE came to her help. As you said, in the CE, she doesn't even call on G for help. She gets out of it ON HER OWN and gets the Pandavas out of it.

CBD's Panchali kept angsting over Karna's behavior.

Epic Panchali's talk to G in Kamyaka vana brings him around to HER POV. Krishna and the Panchal gang are ready to war right then and there after she finishes her speech, IIRC. Epic Panchali didn't spend her time fainting over what Arjun would do to Karna. She gave a speech that contained the crux of Gita, BEFORE the actual Gita gyan.

CBD's Panchali was tutored by G during the Durvasa visit on forgiveness. Gimme a break, this woman who forgave time and time again, had to be tutored?😲

Epic Panchali, plotted Keechak's execution. She didn't spend her time giggling with G at the wedding reception.

CBD's Panchali is NOTHING at all like the original. She is an AWESOME writer, but her Panchali is an ordinary woman caught up in extraordinary circumstances.

Epic Panchali was an EXTRAORDINARY woman, with a highly developed intellect, a spine of steel, immutable principles, and an outstanding Empress.

What insecurities and weaknesses are we talking about here? I haven't seen any. There is no need to whitewash Panchali. Of all the characters in the story, she is the one who shows the greatest amount of emotional strength and is actually the strongest and the white-est. I think the authors, especially most female authors, cannot see beyond their own limitations and assign the same limitations to Panchali.

Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago