Random Ramblers Timbuktoo#73!!!! - Page 117

Originally posted by: nureat01

Also on a level, you realize how Dumbledore used Snape too...he KNEW what Lily meant to him...you see him mention her eyes many times to Snape and the effect it has on Snape...'he has her eyes...precisely'...and I think that convinced Dumbledore that Snape would do anything for this son of Lily's...

All those years...this secret, this burden that only Dumbledore and Snape shared...what a complex relationship...that implicit trust Dumbledore always had in him...

Man, I wish we could get a seperate movie or a seperate book just of that history b/w Dumbledore and Snape...wow it would be just mindblowing.

Originally posted by: psawyer

Exactly. The thing about Dumbledore is that he is not exactly a completely selfless, benevolent character. Of course, he is, but he is much more than that. He has so many things on his mind, so many secrets that need to be protected...and many times he used Harry to achieve his ends too. Not that I'm saying he was wrong for doing so - he was probably the only guy who knew exactly who Tom Marvolo Riddle aka Voldemort was, what he could do. He was the only one V ever feared, and the reason for that was that he was, in some respects, AS ruthless as Voldemort in getting what he wanted. He was as powerful, though he used his powers for the greater good.

Precisely...Dumbledore was not just a typical mahaan sort of character...Yes he was a great man, he did great things...but on some level, he was a puppetmaster in some ways too...positioning ppl in ways to serve the larger purpose...the greater good...and for that reason, many times he did not reveal some things...like a parent won't tell a child some things until the time is right...the burden of power, responsibility...

We actually really only start to get a sense of this in the last two books...when the relationship b/w Harry and Dumbledore starts to shift a bit in dynamic too and Harry's resentment starts coming through at things being kept from him.

Sadly the movie totally did away with the Dumbledore's backstory track...relating to his family and the truth about his relationship with Grindelwald...but oh well...guess they had to cut out something...personally to me that was a very fascinating aspect that gave very interesting layers to Dumbledore and his history...humanized him more in my eyes.

Yeah Anu, I guess you're right about the oddity of the same Patronus as they are like a unique fingerprint of a person...it is fascinating...perhaps we shoudl write to JK and ask her. Because I am sure a meticulous woman like her would know the answer. Another thing I love about JK is how she knows everything about her world. It sounds silly for me to say that, since it is HER world and her words and a writer should know these things. But no matter what question someone might have, what loophole we think we've figured out...she has an answer. She knows this story inside and out, down to the littlest thing; as if it is real, as if these people are real.

Just read this on Tumblr...very well written...I like her points:

[quote]"The thing about Snape in the books is that he is just filled with childish rage, stunted and consumed by it. And you really see the difference in that HBP I complained so much about, the part where the Death Eaters run away in triumph. Book!Snape is all frothing "HOW DARE YOU USE MY OWN SPELLS AGAINST ME!!!!!1!" Movie!Snape brings forward the element of "I'm trying to knock you down for your own good so you don't get your ass beat." There's a genuinely protective, more mature quality to the movies' Snape that you don't really have in the books'like that bit in the Prisoner of Azkaban movie where he actually puts himself between Lupin and the kids, and it looks like sincere, paternal instinct. I just really can't visualize Book!Snape doing that. I like both versions, but the memory sequence in this movie fleshes out the "sincerely protective" interpretation pretty consistently. So both versions have a nice complexity: One is a childish, spiteful man, mentally stuck in grade school, who still manages to spend his life doing incredibly patient, heroic things, even if it's for selfish reasons. The other seems to have some genuine maturity and goodness that is just completely poisoned by his hatred of Harry's father and bitterness at what could have been. The key to both is the idea that a bitter jerk can still do great things, while still also continuing to be a bitter jerk, and that's what makes Snape such a great character."[/quote]

Agree with the part you've bolded, Anu. Just like James, this essentially great guy could still do some jackassy things, so this essentially bitter, spiteful man could still have greatness in him.

Originally posted by: psawyer

Agree with the part you've bolded, Anu. Just like James, this essentially great guy could still do some jackassy things, so this essentially bitter, spiteful man could still have greatness in him.

Yep, the logic works on both characters...James sadly didn't get too much scope in the books apart from the flashbacks but it would make for a very interesting story too...Snape did great things out of his love for Lily, maybe a selfish love but he did great things in many ways...however that doesn't diminish James's love for Lily either...this was just how destiny played out...James may have been mean and a bully in some ways during his early years at Hogwarts...but he outgrew all that and grew into a great man too...as Sirius reminds Harry as well when Harry expresses his confusion over this...it's amazing that we can look at this from the perspective of each character...that is the mark of great writing.

Originally posted by: nureat01

Yep, the logic works on both characters...James sadly didn't get too much scope in the books apart from the flashbacks but it would make for a very interesting story too...Snape did great things out of his love for Lily, maybe a selfish love but he did great things in many ways...however that doesn't diminish James's love for Lily either...this was just how destiny played out...James may have been mean and a bully in some ways during his early years at Hogwarts...but he outgrew all that and great into a great man too...as Sirius reminds Harry as well when Harry expresses his confusion over this...it's amazing that we can look at this from the perspective of each character...that is the mark of great writing.

Oh yeah, it's very touching to see Harry acknowledge that in the end by naming his son after Snape...although the epilogue is so cheesy...it's even cheesy in the movie...I was laughing throughout...just couldn't help it...Harry's "son"...ROFL...I can't buy Dan, Rupert and Emma as PARENTS...lol...

LOL, I hated the epilogue. Total waste of space, even in the book. The only thing I liked was the Snape bit, though even then I thought that calling your son Severus was a sure way to have him bullied 😆 its not the...uh...coolest of names 😆 but it was a fitting memento for the man who was the namesake.

Moving to the next then :-)

Originally posted by: nureat01

Link to the next one in case this is done by the time I get back :-)

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/chat-clubs/1732667/random-ramblers-timbuktoo-74