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Posted: 15 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Veritas



Aww that means you will never watch malayalam movies😆



ahahah sure i'll try a malayalam movie out. I have friends who watch them but I've never seen one. I hope they have subs 😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: nitz17



Anand (2004)
This movie is one of my fav in telugu....
I hope u like this movie and the hero is decent looking too 😛...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0H2wn-QUU&feature=PlayList&p=DDA839A931EBE8B9&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1




Ohhh ive heard of this! I will give it a watch. thankss😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Veritas


Aww that means you will never watch malayalam movies😆

Smita Ji, Prithviraj and Naren look good 😳
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Posted: 15 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: Veritas

Ok I am going to post the First question relevant to our Book.

From what I have heard..Three Cups of Teas is required reading for anyone visiting the AF-PAK region.
Doesn't that give in to the assumption that terrorism is a socio-economic problem rather than a political one and can be solved by better education and amenities.
Doesn't Bin laden and his ideology blow a hole through that theory..

Terrorism is not related to lack of education alone.Even educated tends to terrorism.
when a group is deprived they rebel.That may be in any way.
Terrorism is caused by multiple reasons.Each part of the world has their own independent cause for building terrorism.Its never a universal cause.
Poverty,globalisation,non-democracy,lack of economic sources,religion are some of the relative causes for terrorism.Most of the terrorist were those who has no mental stability.They could be educated or uneducated.
I personally feel as the terrorism followers are always the victims(may be not everyone)
They were only into it for personal reasons like poverty,for their family welfare(sucide bombers) or 'coz of anti-humanity nature.
Violence is necessary to achive some rights but today violence is out of imagination
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hi all😊
I am late again😕
@Nitz i am not going to see varudu after your description😛
@Xserialji i like siddharth too.I saw all his movies multiple times😉 except stricker.
Also I like comedy and fantasy movies.I prefer a comedy low budget movie over super star one.
hi Axeion ji ,pinki am happy now after all the confusion😆😆😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Veritas



I am just at the 5th chapter and till now there has been no mention of terrorism.Its just that people mention poverty and lack of education as a cause for terrorism.
So I thought the question was valid

But agree Whole heartedly with you Blot ji...Just look at the student who committed Suicide for the Telangana issue or the kids who had burned themselves during the mandal era..weren't they educated.They knew how to read /Write and do arithemetic..something that makes them literate according to the state.But they still decided to do waht they did.
At that particular age you are fairly impressionable and arrogant about your infallibility to fall for ideas like that.
I don't think there is a solution to terrorism either...but violence cannot be completely ruled out.We need to have a multi pronged approach for a solution.


I thought more about this... I think, in a better and fairer world, terrorism will not have a place...

There was this study with kindergarten children in Germany... assorted groups of young (very young) children were left alone with candy; and it was observed that the tendency of most children was to equitably distribute the candy between themselves... as long as one child had enough, he was willing to happily give his extra candy to the one who didn't....
And while this is a very socialist attitude, I'd think that children of this microcosm aren't likely to pick up arms. But it is also easy to imagine, if one stretches this analogy, that a child who is deprived of what he considers his fair-share might bear the grievance long enough to become a terrorist (NOT FOR THE CANDY, but for something that he was "unfairly" denied)...
And there are many things that are a problem... Smita ji, you rightly mention the impressionablity and the arrogance (self-importance) of youth, in the backdrop of which all evenly applied socialist policies will be useless.

The suicide bomber (in the attacks from last week in Russia) was the teenage widow of a slain militant. Of course, education failed this girl... but more than blaming the education system, I'd blame her social situation... which overwhelmed her to the point that she couldn't see the irony of inflicting the same pain on others that she has gone through in the death of a loved one.

You are right, Smita ji. The world needs a multi-pronged approach to deal with this problem... Education alone is not the answer...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: pinkisluv91



Terrorism can be partially solved through a better education and amenities. I agree, but it can't be fully solved. It's a problem that can't be solved.

Most terrorists are depressed people who want to kill themselves and everyone else and so they do these violent acts and sometimes end up dying themselves. They don't care about their life. If they were educated they would probably understand that it would be pointless to kill others and themselves for no reason and that life is valuable. If they had better lives and better amenities they wouldn't think of doing all these acts:)

Like I said I can't understand terrorism at all. It's illogical to me.



And by that method, if we didn't have weapons of any kind on this planet, suicidal terrorists would only be able to kill themselves and no one else. Problem solved 😍 AND the US would probably become the poorest nation with no weapons to sell 😃

Any one know a good weapon vanishing spell?
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Posted: 15 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: Veritas

But their controllers and the people who planned this whole event did know better .

I think it is is pride..This belief ..that their way is the right way..their belief system is the best and their ideas have the most merit ..may be a sense of victim hood and a hope of bringing back past glory[/B]



It may start out as pride, may be but it's all about power and politics in the end, and of course money.

There's no proof whatsoever that says 100% that a government under attack was blameless or even they didn't know about a terrorist strike that was about happen. How exactly do they know these things and yet do nothing? Neither side is much better really. One kills legitimately and the other not.

@bold,
Isn't that more applicable to the so-called free democratic western first-world countries?

Take for example the couple caught having sex on a beach in Dubai. They were fined a paltry sum and sent home free (the govt. here paid). But when the story of their arrest had come out, the British media had gone bonkers over it, saying the jail term of 6 months was too harsh etc etc. Well the public decency laws are strict here but the couple on the beach were aware of it right? (btw, they were also drunk and threatened a police officer when he asked them to stop).
Even though, sex in public is not okay pretty much everywhere in the world, the media portrayed the law here as a medieval subjugating system promoting anarchy, discord and what not.

I might sound racist, but many white folk who come here, except to run naked on the beaches just because the sun is out and there is a beach and according to them this is perfectly normal behaviour.

In my office, I've caught several conversations referring to 'those covered up women' where the speakers are shocked to learn that women who veil themselves in public, not only follow fashion, get higher education degrees but are "like, oh my god! she was actually smart and she could speak in English too".

These modern ladies feel uncomfortable in the presence of veiled women. I get that, no problem. BUT, they find it weird that veiled women feel uncomfortable to see them parade in two-piece bathing suits. It's double standards. I don't get this. The rules should be the same right?

Why exactly is it that their belief system is better than the rest of us? Democracy the best way to run a country? Women in conservative/traditional clothes are oppressed? Eating with our hands uncivilised? and why is a forward country like India still a thrid world country / developing nation? How exactly does a nation become first world? Why are there no second world countries? How do three worlds fit on to one world?

"Terrorists" are targeted for trying to impose their own belief on the population of a particular area/country. Enlightened first-world countries have been imposing their ideologies on the entire world for centuries, but no one can call them a terrorist? What a shame.

(Apologies for going so... uhh.. writing so much).
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Posted: 15 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: RainbowWarrior

... and why is a forward country like India still a thrid world country / developing nation? How exactly does a nation become first world? Why are there no second world countries? How do three worlds fit on to one world?...


Uh, RW ji the different worlds were created to highlight which part of the divide different nations were during the cold war. US and the NATO allies were the First World, the Soviets made up the Second World, and the rest were grouped as Third World. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Second World ceased to exist. The First World almost exclusively comprised the developed countries; while the Third World nations were largely impoverished. The terms thus ended up signifying the economic prosperity of the "Worlds"...
India is barely forward. 40% of our population subsists on less than 1 dollar (purchasing power parity) per person per day. The malnourishment in children of backward states is more severe than in Rwanda/Sudan. We definitely belong to the third world category. (China, with a more prolific and stronger economy insists on calling itself a Third World country. So, you can imagine how aptly placed India is.)
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: RainbowWarrior


@bold,
Isn't that more applicable to the so-called free democratic western first-world countries?

Take for example the couple caught having sex on a beach in Dubai. They were fined a paltry sum and sent home free (the govt. here paid). But when the story of their arrest had come out, the British media had gone bonkers over it, saying the jail term of 6 months was too harsh etc etc. Well the public decency laws are strict here but the couple on the beach were aware of it right? (btw, they were also drunk and threatened a police officer when he asked them to stop).
Even though, sex in public is not okay pretty much everywhere in the world, the media portrayed the law here as a medieval subjugating system promoting anarchy, discord and what not.

I might sound racist, but many white folk who come here, except to run naked on the beaches just because the sun is out and there is a beach and according to them this is perfectly normal behaviour.

In my office, I've caught several conversations referring to 'those covered up women' where the speakers are shocked to learn that women who veil themselves in public, not only follow fashion, get higher education degrees but are "like, oh my god! she was actually smart and she could speak in English too".

These modern ladies feel uncomfortable in the presence of veiled women. I get that, no problem. BUT, they find it weird that veiled women feel uncomfortable to see them parade in two-piece bathing suits. It's double standards. I don't get this. The rules should be the same right?

Why exactly is it that their belief system is better than the rest of us? Democracy the best way to run a country? Women in conservative/traditional clothes are oppressed? Eating with our hands uncivilised?

"Terrorists" are targeted for trying to impose their own belief on the population of a particular area/country. Enlightened first-world countries have been imposing their ideologies on the entire world for centuries, but no one can call them a terrorist? What a shame.

(Apologies for going so... uhh.. writing so much).


I tend to agree with what you say, RW ji... but I cannot bring myself to agree with the part in blue. So long as the belief system isn't founded on tyranny or hate, we wouldn't call it terrorism. Would we??

The Second World War was waged solely for political gains. And yet, the victors proclaimed their victory over the Fascists and Nazis... You see, it is all a matter of portrayal. Come to think of it, had the war not weakened the British empire, Bapu Gandhi would've carried on with his non-violent protests until the day he died, and imperialism and its exploitative hold over the world would not have ceased anywhere near the date it did. And yet we all hail Gandhi and hate Hitler (even though, the latter does deserve a small iota of praise for hurting the Empire and being slightly responsible for making the world go colony-free, as unintentioned as it may be...)

I think, if the "terrorists" adopt an approach where they can present their cause without causing grief to the innocent, they wouldn't be called "terrorists"... and in this regard one must separate a terrorist from a fundamentalist (Eastern, or Western)...
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