Chandra Nandini 71-75: Turbulent Tides

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jayaks02

@jayaks02

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Posted: 8 years ago

#251

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Everything has to be HOTTT for you kids!

I would rather say that it was almost infinitely tender. As Anjali put it, as if he was reaching out in his mind and embracing her. Not hot!!

Shyamala Aunty

Idhu Idhu Idhu kuthan AKKA VENUM !!!!!

He did not even nod his head when she thanked him during her hug of MATA. It was an infinitely intelligent and tender handling from CVs. They are actially giving us quite a lot .

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BabyHimavari

@BabyHimavari

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Posted: 8 years ago

#252

Originally posted by: sashashyam
Everything has to be HOTTT for you kids!

I would rather say that it was almost infinitely tender. As Anjali put it, as if he was reaching out in his mind and embracing her. Not hot!!

Shyamala Aunty

Aunty if you ask me... Hot wont be the right word to describe his gaze at the moment.. It was rather mesmerised look mixed with adoration towards her... And as to define the moment it was divine and purely magestical. ❤️ ❤️

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Joyee Banerjee

@Animal.Lover

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Posted: 8 years ago

#253

Originally posted by: harrybird

JA & CN may be from the same production house, but the sets were not erected by the same production house

Chandra Nandni set is erected by Balaji exclusively for this serial.

But for Jodha Akbar serial, they utilized the set already erected in 2008 for Ashutosh Gowarikar Movie Jodha Akbar staring Hrithik & Aishwarya.😆

So, No comparison b/w a serial set & a movie set😆

PS : Wish Ashutosh had used the entire set effectively...we wud have got Hrithik-Aishwarya Hamam scene Neverthless, Santram Verma did it & as a result, we are still obsessed with Hamam Jallu😳

Ahh I see... I didn't know that the same Karjat set was used for the JA serial shoot as well. Now it all makes sense, that grandeur vs this one 😆

One really cannot compare a film's set with a serial's, at least not yet.

That way the CN sets are pretty decent for serial standards. Although I still wonder how much they must have spent on those kindergarten stick-on gems alone? They are everywhere...on the walls, pillars, hamam pool, beds...gah 😆

And as for the hamam scenes in JA, damn Ashu! He should have had our imagination whatsay 😉😆

But then again...for me, there's only one Jalal...and we both know who that is 😳

That being said, I did enjoy Hrithik's Akbar as well, a lot actually. Besides, movie wali Jodha is wayyy better...and I don't mean only in the looks & grace department. She is just worlds better as a sangini, overall 😳

PS: Cost cutting or not, I'd still like at least somebody to be calling out "Maharaj Chandragupta Maurya padhaar rahe hain..." from time to time. Somebody should call him Maharaj no! Too much first-name basis happening in the Magadh palace 😆

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jayaks02

@jayaks02

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Posted: 8 years ago

#254

Originally posted by: sashashyam
Anjali my poppet,

It is my opinion too.

yes - Anjali has a very good point. We can actually enjoy serials or life only if we do not keep comparing. Late relaization. 😆

Any show,to hold one'e attention, needs some glamour quotient as well. In Maharana Pratap, the sets were truly good, and you had some not just very competent but handsome actors, such as Rana Udai Singh, and especially the Lady Macbeth like Queen Dheerbaiji. One needs something striking to look at!

😆😆

Besides, even with substandard material, Rajat is a master at extracting something that enchants and delights you, of course when he is not indulging in OTT glaring! Manish Wadhwa is immensely competent, but he is not inspired. That is the difference. But yes, Sandhya dear, I do wish he would get better shows, though not necessarily the likes of Bajirao.

what is meant by not inspired Akka ?

I do not know what the adult Bajirao will look like and how he will perform. I hope they do not end up with a wooden faced hunk. I do not think Rajat would fit into these so-called realistic historicals. He is larger than life when he gets going, and is in the tradition of the Hollywood matinee idols of old.

Baji Rao character cannot be undermined and So is CGM and Akbar's.

But Baji Rao is probably the greatest cavalry warrior India ever produced. Some military strategists have written serious books on him. But for his untimely death at the age of 40, Baji Rao would have gone onto truly establish the HINDU RASHTRA. Interestingly there is no Mastani in the title but I am sure she will be part of the serial in a big way . I hope they show a tender love story unlike Bansali's false premise and exterior focussed one.

Whereas, in shows like Bajirao, the characters are subordinated to a script that deliberately eschews stars and glamour. It is then the side characters who stand out, like Aurangzeb and Radha Bai. The snippet where she struggles to suppress her panic at the prospect of her husband leaving at once on a dangerous mission, and gets set to bid him godspeed was lovely.

I am also planning to catch up this serial. ETV Maratha has a BRM some years back ; I think they brought our authenticity very well naturally being in Marathi.

I liked tonight's Chandra Nandini episode a lot: the gift fiasco was quickly and neatly resolved despite Nandini's exasperating goongi gudiya act, and Mura's hysterics. Mura is really bad looking in such weepfests. I would have preferred it if Chandra had sorted the thing out on his own, but chalta hai, it was not bad. I presume he is saving up his grey cells for the unmasking of Roopa.😉😆

Yes - Somehow the nagging doubt is still in backend but we continue to get good scenes. Nandini cannot explain a simple statement like the gift was for foster mother quickly. 😆

The scene with the diyas on the terrace was just perfect. Another of my bubble moments.

Exquisite. SBP also looks beautiful these days. Early night setting added to the charm and ambience, me thinks. 😳

Shyamala Aunty

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immaawesome

@immaawesome

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Posted: 8 years ago

#255

Hehehehehe! 😆

Apologies for the juvenile tone Aunty but for the lack of a better term we just explicitly use one word - HOT!😳

P.S - Quick question for you because you're experienced. I read a lot of negativity here because some say lack of T.R.Ps. Was it the same with JA? Do you have anything to share on this fact?

Originally posted by: sashashyam
Everything has to be HOTTT for you kids!

I would rather say that it was almost infinitely tender. As Anjali put it, as if he was reaching out in his mind and embracing her. Not hot!!

Shyamala Aunty

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#256

Inspired, Sri, is when the actor goes beyond the script, and makes the viewer see nuances which were probably never intended by the writer in the first place.

Manish Wadhwa is excellent, he delivers what the script intends to perfection. But Rajat can go beyond a bad script, or add nuances of his own making. And this in very fleeting scenes. I have mentioned many in my reviews of Chandra Nandini, so I need not reference them again.

So let me go to Jodha Akbar, where Jalal is setting out for that ridiculous battle of Sujanpur (?). Hamida Banu suggests that he should get the tilak ceremony done by Jodha Begum as per the Rajput custom. Jalal is absolutely still for a moment, then he says Jaise aap kahein, Ammijaan!

In that one moment, he shows the multiple strands of thought racing thru his mind: the surface one, of the ceremony bringing him good fortune, next the burning desire to punish Jodha by making her go thru this ceremony to secure blessings for him to kill Sukanya's fiance, and finally the pleasure at having found such an excellent excuse - his Ammijaan's suggestion- for doing that.

In all of this, the dominant emotion is sadistic pleasure at hurting Jodha, but the other two are also there, in fleeting succession, shown not just in the facial expression, but also in the tone of voice.

It was marvellous. Mohit Raina too can do this kind of thing, but not quite as well as Rajat. Still, at his best, he too is superb.

Then there is the additional advantage of having a handsome face, which lends a special sheen to the romantic scenes!😉

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#257

I am not too well up in the TRPs issues, my dear Ray, and I never bothered about them for Jodha Akbar when I was analysing the episodes.But I have since learnt that after the Shahi Shaadi, around episode 35 , that show took off and climbed soon to the top of the charts.

I do not know why Chandra Nandini is not doing well, for being at Nos. 15 to 20 in the BARC ratings for urban shows cannot be called a good showing. Even lousy melodramatic stuff seems to be doing better, and as for Naagin 2 topping the charts, the less said the better.

My own reading is that too many cheap reality shows and the fantasy stuff with naagins, brahmarakshas etc has altered the public's tastes. Besides,the beginning week for Chandra Nandini, and the subsequent excessive focus on Padmanand might have prevented viewers from sticking to it. Once one leaves a show, it is unlikely that one comes back to it.

This said, I do not at all agree with folks here - my young friend Prem being one of them - that the trivialisation of Chandragupta and Chanakya, and the silly jealousy scenes are the reason for the current poor showing. If you catch even glimpses of the chart toppers, which seem meant for those with an IQ of about 70, you would never buy this argument. They are abysmally stupid, and still they thrive. Naagin takes pride of place in this roster. The curious thing is that a properly melodramatic soap like Pardes mein hai mera dil, with a very successful lead pair, also a Balaji show, is not doing well either.

I am waiting to see how Peshwa Bajirao, which is excellent but not entrancing, does in the TRPs after a few weeks.

To revert to Chandra Nandini. maybe the women viewers, said to be dominant section of the audience, like a mahaan heroine like Jodha, and do not appreciate Nandini's softness or her having fallen in love with Chandra irrespective of his having destroyed her whole family bar her father (for now).

In the end, every show comes with its own bhagya, I only hope, for Rajat's sake, that Chandra Nandini's luck turns soon. I do not want him to have an also ran on his resume, nor to have the show suddenly wrapped up like an accordion being closed just because the TRPs fall too low. But they seem to be a bit better this last week, so my hopes are still not dead!

As for hot, my dear, there are a lot of better and more appropriate terms that would fit that particular scene. I can understand the way in which you young people get carried away, but you must still pay attention to the nuances!😉 Hot signifies passion, and there was no passion in that look at all, only tenderness.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: immaawesome
Hehehehehe! 😆

Apologies for the juvenile tone Aunty but for the lack of a better term we just explicitly use one word - HOT!😳

P.S - Quick question for you because you're experienced. I read a lot of negativity here because some say lack of T.R.Ps. Was it the same with JA? Do you have anything to share on this fact?

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago

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Shailaja

@shailusri1983

Dazzler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#258

Aunty the whole logic of TRPs is highly elusive. Why a Saath Nibhanan Sathiya or a Sasural Simar Ka keep on running and at the top are completely incomprehensible. Historical fictions or love stories generally have a comparatively lesser audience than Saas Bahu Shows or Kitchen Sink Drama. So naturally the TRPs are never going to be equal to these shows any day. Supernatural or fantasy is a very recent but highly successful trend.

CN has the disadvantage of being a historical fiction along with a love story. Though JA had much the same premise, it must have succeeded because it gave the Saas Bahu and Soutans storyline to perfection in a historical setting. The love story portion was pretty missing. The female glorification was there. So perhaps JA got better TRPs than CN. TRPs or no, I wouldn't like to exchange CN for JA any day, and I would always love a Nandini flawed as she is over a Mahaan Jodha. The show is good and entertaining provided I don't look here for my history.

200 to 300 good and memorable episodes of a shorter serial are any day better for me than 1000 or 2000 godawful episodes of a good serial gone down the drain. Aunty I strongly feel the success of any actor or actress cannot be based on the success of the show or its TRPs which are very fickle. They can and should be judged only on their acting. At the end of the day, their immense talent will always win them recognition. Rajat does not have to fear anything, much less TRPs. He is always going to get his due wherever he is.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am not too well up in the TRPs issues, my dear Ray, and I never bothered about them for Jodha Akbar when I was analysing the episodes.But I have since learnt that after the Shahi Shaadi, around episode 35 , that show took off and climbed soon to the top of the charts.

I do not know why Chandra Nandini is not doing well, for being at Nos. 15 to 20 in the BARC ratings for urban shows cannot be called a good showing. Even lousy melodramatic stuff seems to be doing better, and as for Naagin 2 topping the charts, the less said the better.

My own reading is that too many cheap reality shows and the fantasy stuff with naagins, brahmarakshas etc has altered the public's tastes. Besides,the beginning week for Chandra Nandini, and the subsequent excessive focus on Padmanand might have prevented viewers from sticking to it. Once one leaves a show, it is unlikely that one comes back to it.

This said, I do not at all agree with folks here - my young friend Prem being one of them - that the trivialisation of Chandragupta and Chanakya, and the silly jealousy scenes are the reason for the current poor showing. If you catch even glimpses of the chart toppers, which seem meant for those with an IQ of about 70, you would never buy this argument. They are abysmally stupid, and still they thrive. Naagin takes pride of place in this roster. The curious thing is that a properly melodramatic soap like Pardes mein hai mera dil, with a very successful lead pair, also a Balaji show, is not doing well either.

I am waiting to see how Peshwa Bajirao, which is excellent but not entrancing, does in the TRPs after a few weeks.

To revert to Chandra Nandini. maybe the women viewers, said to be dominant section of the audience, like a mahaan heroine like Jodha, and do not appreciate Nandini's softness or her having fallen in love with Chandra irrespective of his having destroyed her whole family bar her father (for now).

In the end, every show comes with its own bhagya, I only hope, for Rajat's sake, that Chandra Nandini's luck turns soon. I do not want him to have an also ran on his resume, nor to have the show suddenly wrapped up like an accordion being closed just because the TRPs fall too low. But they seem to be a bit better this last week, so my hopes are still not dead!

As for hot, my dear, there are a lot of better and more appropriate terms that would fit that particular scene. I can understand the way in which you young people get carried away, but you must still pay attention to the nuances!😉 Hot signifies passion, and there was no passion in that look at all, only tenderness.

Shyamala Aunty

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Princess of Videha

@JanakNandini

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#259

Aunty.. cn trp is 2.0. IS good only na... why you are saying its doing poor. .

MY VIEWS

I am a fan of CN.still i cannot digest roopa track. ROOPA DANCING IN OPEN court hall in drunken state is tooo much.. def trp is going fall further... Even iam planning to skip that episode. THE very thought of that episode makes me feel ackward.. i dont expect much from cvs... I dont think cgm will figure roopa for atleast 25 episodes . By that time roopa will either fall for cgm or commit suicide. TO show nandini mahan they are showing cgm dumb. WHICH is highly irritating. Why only helena cgm uses to irritate nandini. HE CAN flirt with duru too. Again that is big loop hole...compared SATHIYA where gopi married thrice CN HAS more logic. Still as Shailu pointed romance dont have any buyers comoaredto sas bahu vengence.

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#260

The part in bold, my dear Shailaja, only shows how young you are. Do you really think that talent will prevail against all odds, especially in show business? How will an actor get his due, and how will his talent be recognised unless he or she gets the roles that will make the audience sit up and take notice?

I agree with you that the talent of an actor or actress cannot be judged based on the TRPs of the show or the success of the film. But that is not the point. Show business is primarily about money, and a show has to make money in the first place. The lead actor, whether in films or on TV, bears the brunt of the blame for the failure of a show, just as he gains the most from the its success.

Rajat benefited from the success of Jodha Akbar,but unfortunately he is not the type who can be slotted into the routine TV fare dished out by the dozen. So no one else thought of casting him again till Chandra Nandini came along after about a year.

A year, at his age, the most productive there can be, is a long time to wait. Whereas someone like Gautam Rode literally goes from one show to the other - Saraswatichandra to Mahakumbh to Suryaputra Karn - with nary a break. And the first two were good shows by TV standards, not the kind of lousy fare you deride!

I do not know how to explain this, except to cite Lady Luck, who is a capricious female at the best of times.

I am not feeling too well today, and I have already done two posts here, so I will keep it short. I have discussed this topic in detail earlier, but you would not have seen those posts. Take Mohit Raina, a very, very talented actor, after the huge success of Mahadev. He has the same problem that Rajat has, he cannot be cast in ordinary roles. He sat at home for 17 months till he got the role of the adult Ashoka. And what happened to him then? The show collapsed in 5 months due to abysmal scripting, but it was Mohit who was blamed for allegedly not having been able to carry the show. There is no indication of his getting any new role either. Being 10 years older than Rajat, time is not on his side. And for all his talent, he seems to have got very few roles worth mentioning before Mahadev came along in December 2011. So how is his undoubted talent going to prevail?

I do not want that to happen to Rajat. He had no work for 2 years after PRC and the shows that followed, till he got Jodha Akbar. That established him in the top echelon, but he needs another big hit to consolidate his position.

Don't kid yourself that his talent will prevail no matter that his shows don't do well. You might like Chandra Nandini better than Jodha Akbar (did you see the latter at all?) and perhaps so do I, but our opinion hardly counts. Jodha Akbar was a certified hit, and a big plus in Rajat's resume. Chandra Nandini has to get at least halfway there if it is not be a black mark on his resume.

Someone has to put his money on Rajat for another big show when Chandra Nandini is wound up, and for that, this show has to succeed. If not, he will sit at home for another 2 years waiting for a good role. And I for one simply could not stand such a waste of a phenomenal talent.

I so wish that like Sushant Singh Rajput, Rajat too could cross over into films, but that needs even more luck!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983
Aunty the whole logic of TRPs is highly elusive. Why a Saath Nibhanan Sathiya or a Sasural Simar Ka keep on running and at the top are completely incomprehensible. Historical fictions or love stories generally have a comparatively lesser audience than Saas Bahu Shows or Kitchen Sink Drama. So naturally the TRPs are never going to be equal to these shows any day. Supernatural or fantasy is a very recent but highly successful trend.

CN has the disadvantage of being a historical fiction along with a love story. Though JA had much the same premise, it must have succeeded because it gave the Saas Bahu and Soutans storyline to perfection in a historical setting. The love story portion was pretty missing. The female glorification was there. So perhaps JA got better TRPs than CN. TRPs or no, I wouldn't like to exchange CN for JA any day, and I would always love a Nandini flawed as she is over a Mahaan Jodha. The show is good and entertaining provided I don't look here for my history.

200 to 300 good and memorable episodes of a shorter serial are any day better for me than 1000 or 2000 godawful episodes of a good serial gone down the drain. Aunty I strongly feel the success of any actor or actress cannot be based on the success of the show or its TRPs which are very fickle. They can and should be judged only on their acting. At the end of the day, their immense talent will always win them recognition. Rajat does not have to fear anything, much less TRPs. He is always going to get his due wherever he is.

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago

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