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Posted: 8 years ago
I did take a look at that video just because of your lament, Sri dear, and I am happy to report that that is not exactly what Nandini says, or rather Shweta says on behalf of Nandini. She says that she will now share the responsibilities of the kingdom with Chandragupta vis a vis the praja.

Now there are two points to be kept in mind here. One, that this is Shweta's babble - one has to note that Rajat never comes on these SBS segments - which might be her idea of what her character is going to be doing, Which might or might not be the case in the actual script, as happens all the time with the promos.

Secondly there is nothing wrong with the chief queen undertaking social work amidst the praja, and thus also acting to some extent as the emperor's extra eyes and ears. It would raise not only her profile among the common people but that of the samrat as well.

So do not get your BP up too soon to no purpose: you do that all the time, my dear! This pair is not going to be another Jodha-Jalal, and this Nandini is so head over heels in love with her Chandra, which Jodha never was, that it would not fit in with her make up at all to try and overshadow him.

Shyamala Akka


Originally posted by: AJSharma79

Now, now, Sri, lets not be so hasty in predicting the demish of the man and the awakening of the devi-mata.

Lets stay positive for a bit...at least until Roopa is out.

For, if what you say is to happen I will claw someone's eyes out of sheer frustration that yet another story has to be butchered for female worship.

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Posted: 8 years ago
Sri,

So did every single ruler, who had competitors for the throne, have at times to be ruthless to get where he eventually got.

Chandragupta, about whom there is not much authentic material available after the complete destruction of the great library at Nalanda University in the 13th century by the barbarian Bakhtiyaar Khilji, was in the happy position, thanks to Chanakya, of founding an empire and thus having no one to challenge him for the throne.

Neither did Bindusara, an only son. But Ashoka has several very ambitious and ruthless competitors, so it could not have been a tea party, as Chairman Mao used to say.

As for the so-called Chanda Ashoka and his fabled cruelties, including his having killed all his 99 brothers to ascend to the throne, that is mostly hogwash. Recent research has revealed, from the imperial accounts of that period, that subventions from the treasury were being paid to the Emperor Ashoka's brothers well after he ascended the throne, so they were clearly still among the living!

The thing, my dear Sri, is historian now have to depend to an undue extent on the Buddhist chronicles of the period like the Mahavamsa and the Ashokavadana, and they patently exaggerated the so-called cruelties of Ashoka before he became a Buddhist so as to magnify the redemptive power of Buddhism. In short, they were making him out to be another Angulimala or another Ajaatashatru.

Chandragupta is not included in the top pantheon of our emperors because while he is seen as a great warrior, he is also seen largely as a creation of Chanakya's. By himself, he was just another, though admittedly very great empire builder.

Ashoka was something else again, and his link with his people, and the level of humanism he attained after his epiphany at Kalinga, was of an entirely different order. We now have only a few dozen of his over 84000 rock and pillar edicts still extant, but even these are sufficient to show us, and the rest of the world, how unique he was.

It is another matter that his ahimsavaad put paid to the Mauryan empire barely 47 years after he passed away. If old man Chanakya had been still around, that would never have happened. Empires are not maintained without a certain degree of ruthlessness. And the maintenance of a strong empire benefits, above all, the common people who are its subjects.

Now what if Rajat had played Ashoka?😉😉😉

Shyamala Akka

QUOTE=jayaks02]Shailaja - I did not see Ashok serial. But have read that Ashoka was very ordinary in fact bad looking that Bindusara never liked him or owned him. Obviously he did not want him to succeed as well.

Somehow I am not comfortable with Ashoka's rise to power. He did a lot of cruel things en route to his ascent.

My fav Mauryan King is Hamara Chandu. 😉
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Posted: 8 years ago
I am not so sure, Sarika Even Jalal handled the Atifa affair superbly, and entirely on his own.

Shailaja, a very clever and not implausible scenario, though I do not suppose we will be lucky enough to get something like this! I simply cannot understand how Sunanda and Aapama think they can get away endlessly with two Nandinis wandering around the palace.

That is why I had written quite a while back that they would have to kidnap and incarcerate the real Nandini. But no such thing seems to be on the cards.And for now, we are faced with Mura in a bright red dress like that of a court dancer (though why she had to wear it and not just bring it along beats me!) I hope that foster mother, who could testify in Nandini's favour, has not already left Pataliputra.

Besides, Nandini does not seem to be falling into disfavour with anyone in the royal family, judging from her latest elevation, and this even after Roopa's inebriated show? Bizarre!

OK, kids, my fingers need a massage, so this is it for a while.


Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: skamunugama

You always have such wonderful ideas dear Shailaja. But we cannot expect such attractive yet meaningful scenario from the Creatives.. oopps no no better to call them Derivatives. In EK's stories, the male lead does not have the right to be that much efficient or brainy without the interference of the female lead, as far as I know.

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Posted: 8 years ago
I do not understand this endless cribbing about the sets and comparing them with those of Jodha Akbar. 😉

The fact . my dear Joyee and Sri, is that Jodha Akbar was shot in the same magnificent sets created by Nitin Desai at Karjat for the film. He never dismantled them, but retained them as a tourist attraction.Ekta then used them in toto. Which is why they looked so good, especially the vaulted ceilings.

Here, the sets are as gaudy and ghastly as those in CAS, This is standard for such historical and mythological shows.

Sri, the queens here are shown bathing with a wrap on - remember the early scene with Avantika and Nandini? In JA, Jodha of course did it in her full heavy costume! They got up in it, dripping all over the place, and then went behind a screen to dress. Secondly, how can one assert that there is only one unisex snankaksh here? There is nothing to indicate that.

And Anne, don't go anywhere near CAS, tempted by Shailaja's accounts of it. It was lousy all thru., It is true that Mohit Raina is a very good performer,almost if not quite as subtle and effective as Rajat,and he did his best during his 5 months as the adult Ashoka, but the gosh awful script did him in.

If you want to see him at his best, that would be in the Jalandhar track in DKD Mahadev, the only 6 weeks of that show that I analysed. He was magnificent. His Mahadev was a steady success for fully 3 years.

Shailaja, if you had seen all my posts on that CAS EDT for the two months that I was active there, you would have spotted my going into detail about that scene where Bindusara does not embrace Ashoka -that was after he exposes the corrupt prantpal and gets all that looted money back - as also some of the lovely Ashoka-Kaurwaki and other scenes where Mohit did exceptionally well. I tried my best to get the others there to comment on such good parts as well, besides constantly bashing the show, but to no avail.

OK, this is it for now, my fingers are protesting; I was meaning to stop earlier, but then I never do!
See you all again later.

Shyamala Akka/Aunty

Animal Lover - You have raised some pertinent point regarding the palace. JA Sets indeed had a character with or without inmates. Even the sensibilities were more aligned to Mughal era.

Remember Jalal's room - It was spacious, airy with all kinds of luxuries.

Here it looks very grand but the material is cheap, me thinks. And there are only a few rooms and a nice hallway and pool. Will tell you why !!

There was a small stool and some decoration element in Nandini's chota room when C comes and confronts her with the koshna patrika( the one Roopa gets done). After few days, I saw the same thing in Chandra's room when she moves in with him after Daadi drama. 😆 So they keep moving many articles into that one room where shooting will take place. 😉 Whereas in JA each room had a distinct feel. J Mata room had Kanha prominently. 😉

Another thing in CN is there is only one pool for Kings, Queens and sundry. King's Pool cannot be accessed by anyone. This will usually be the norm. Queen's bath we see in many forts - It is much smaller and COVERED. Here the pool sprawls to Open Skies almost like a huge balcony. 😲 Is this how Queens will get up from water and walk over to enclosures to dress ?!!! 😆

When Krishna hides Gopika's dresses and ask them to come out ( He says he will close his eyes), Gopiaks say what about sky, air and atmosphere. The deeper meaning is that in front of Panch Poot elements, one should not remain n***d or without dresses. But Mauryans have a different take - They want to expose their wet bodies in front of Akaaash !!! 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
My belan is like the Elder Wand, it obeys only me. If you try to use it, Sandhya my pet, you will end up only a little less badly off than Voldemort!😆

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Now i want to be at the receiving end of the belan AND also to use it.☺️

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Posted: 8 years ago
Me at both throwing and receiving end...😳
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

This was as warm and perceptive as I had hoped it would be, my dear Ranjana. Thanks a ton.

I loved tonight's episode, not only because of the startlingly pally goings on between our couple, but also because something I had written to Debastuti a little earlier, to wit:

In between, as they still share the same room,Chandra will also see the real Nandini, who will behave very differently. If she tells him some of the same stuff she offloads on Sunanda. he might well end up thinking that she has a split personality and needs understanding and help. Then just as he is starting out on this path, Roopa will come back! Poor Chandra will soon be climbing the nearest wall.😉

has turned out to be at least halfway correct. It might even be 2/3rds by the end of the week!

I am not doing any more mini posts if the episodes continue to be this entertaining: I will save up my comments for the weekly post next Sunday.

Shyamala Aunty


Thank you, dear aunty, for writing so beautifully ke hriday gadgad ho jaata hain <3
Though I don't watch the show, I feel happy when you enjoy the episodes 😆😳😆. Pata nahi kyun 😆 And I'm also glad that your prophecies are proving true 😉 Abhi half hua hain toh kal fully right ho jayega :))

Ohkk so instead of small, scrumptious treats beech beech mein, we will get a full yummy thaali at one go! 😃 I look forward to it 🤗 I don't know if I'll be able to reply to your post jaldi because the Kautilyan Labours have acquired terrifying proportions Deadlines are snarling ferociously because they know they are going to be missed😡 Paavam Ranjana is cowering behind the sofa, which is not as easy thing to do because they are roughly of the same size 😭😆 but I will reply as soon as I can 🤗
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Posted: 8 years ago
Ranjana, you unregenerate little wretch,

How on earth do you pull off these sidesplitting asides with such airy ease? The one about Paavam Ranjana and the sofa had me rolling in the aisles, or rather it would have if our flat had run to aisles. No wonder you are a Plum addict!

As for your deadlines snarling at you, even if they were as ferocious as Cerberus, I am sure you would be more than a match for them! All the very best for the timely completion of the Kautilyan Labours. I am sure that to outdo Hercules, they must be numbering at least 13!


Affectionately,

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: kautilya04


Thank you, dear aunty, for writing so beautifully ke hriday gadgad ho jaata hain <3
Though I don't watch the show, I feel happy when you enjoy the episodes 😆😳😆. Pata nahi kyun 😆 And I'm also glad that your prophecies are proving true 😉 Abhi half hua hain toh kal fully right ho jayega :))

Ohkk so instead of small, scrumptious treats beech beech mein, we will get a full yummy thaali at one go! 😃 I look forward to it 🤗 I don't know if I'll be able to reply to your post jaldi because the Kautilyan Labours have acquired terrifying proportions Deadlines are snarling ferociously because they know they are going to be missed😡 Paavam Ranjana is cowering behind the sofa, which is not as easy thing to do because they are roughly of the same size 😭😆 but I will reply as soon as I can 🤗

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Posted: 8 years ago
I don't know enough about this to respond usefully, Sri, but I shall look this up. It is an interesting question.

At first sight, it does not sound plausible. There have been theories that Ashoka worked to loosen the hold of the Brahmins, who had earlier favoured his elder brother Sushim, on the Mauryan court and so his edicts stress the equal rights of all his subjects to the benefits of his rule. Moreover, he was a Buddhist, and Buddhism eschews the idea of caste.

But this does not amount to his trying to dismantle the caste system, any more than our modern secular policy of equal treatment of all religions is meant to get ride of all the existing religions. Nor was Akbar's notion of giving equal treatment to all religions meant to eliminate religion altogether. No one could have done that. Not then, not now.

Moreover, the caste system was the product of centuries of social restructuring, and it could not have been switched on and off like an electric bulb.

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

The other day my son was telling me Mauryans rule focused on removing caste system in India - In fact they undermined Brahmin's importance and elevated other castes to be treated equally. When GUPT empire surfaced, they reversed it again . 😆

This is not a controversial post - Would like to understand if any one has a POV or facts on this. Just for an Objective decision.

I always believed that every Kingdom pursues what they see as their National and Social Interest.

Was glad that Mauryans brought in some social justice. In BC it is a very advanced topic.

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Originally posted by: jayaks02

Animal Lover - You have raised some pertinent point regarding the palace. JA Sets indeed had a character with or without inmates. Even the sensibilities were more aligned to Mughal era.

Remember Jalal's room - It was spacious, airy with all kinds of luxuries.

Here it looks very grand but the material is cheap, me thinks. And there are only a few rooms and a nice hallway and pool. Will tell you why !!

There was a small stool and some decoration element in Nandini's chota room when C comes and confronts her with the koshna patrika( the one Roopa gets done). After few days, I saw the same thing in Chandra's room when she moves in with him after Daadi drama. 😆 So they keep moving many articles into that one room where shooting will take place. 😉 Whereas in JA each room had a distinct feel. J Mata room had Kanha prominently. 😉

Another thing in CN is there is only one pool for Kings, Queens and sundry. King's Pool cannot be accessed by anyone. This will usually be the norm. Queen's bath we see in many forts - It is much smaller and COVERED. Here the pool sprawls to Open Skies almost like a huge balcony. 😲 Is this how Queens will get up from water and walk over to enclosures to dress ?!!! 😆

When Krishna hides Gopika's dresses and ask them to come out ( He says he will close his eyes), Gopiaks say what about sky, air and atmosphere. The deeper meaning is that in front of Panch Poot elements, one should not remain n***d or without dresses. But Mauryans have a different take - They want to expose their wet bodies in front of Akaaash !!! 😆


Sri & Animal Lover , I will answer your question!

JA & CN may be from the same production house, but the sets were not erected by the same production house

Chandra Nandni set is erected by Balaji exclusively for this serial.

But for Jodha Akbar serial, they utilized the set already erected in 2008 for Ashutosh Gowarikar Movie Jodha Akbar staring Hrithik & Aishwarya. Ashutosh team was not able to shoot in Amer & Agra fort due to heavy tourist inflow during that time.So, they made a replica of Amer & Agra fort in ND studio, Karjat & the entire cost of the set was around 120 Million. ND studio is still making money by renting it out.
Thats why we saw MO (DJ Snake lean on) dancing in Jallu bed & hamam😆

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI[/YOUTUBE]

So, No comparison b/w a serial set & a movie set😆

PS : Wish Ashutosh had used the entire set effectively...we wud have got Hrithik-Aishwarya Hamam scene Neverthless, Santram Verma did it & as a result, we are still obsessed with Hamam Jallu😳

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