Historical cocktail (DT note: pg 4) - Page 3

Originally posted by: amina1

well akbar changed due to jodha to salim to saint hi hota na ohwait he had those bad habits because of rukiyya sorry i forgot

Originally posted by: myviewprem

No one has anything against historical jodha

But in jodha Akbar serial all achievements of Akbar are shown as jodha tutored.

Even in wars he needs jodha help to win

Please read books on harem like private life of Mughals ladies once they enter harem stay in four walls for life or travel with emperor entourage again in pardah whether muslim, hindu etc

Other than emperor and small kids below 14 years and may be father and brother the Mughal begum cannot meet any other man

This was all started by Akbar only

Humayun and Babar were not strict with their begums

In such circumstance you show a Mughal begum out in war field, in court advising ministers and emperor

Its not 21st century court its 16th century one and Akbar had great issues in his wives being seen or know outside(almost paranoid phobia) so much so that their names were not mentioned in akbarnama

Just because serial shows anything we cannot blindly believe.

Now they show that chankya and Chandra fools only nandini knows maleyketu only Helena knows

Chandra nad chankya won almost half of entire subcontinent on their own are they so fools to not see maleyketu?

Originally posted by: amina1

I dont have problem with jodha or anyone else but to show all achievement of akbar was because of her that is my point in that case rukiiya is more deserving as she was there with him from very beginning yes a wife orr husband has influence of thinking ,akbar must have changed his opinion aftermarriage towards Hindus after his marriage but to say he was jallad and heartless is something else and one who is good to family deep down his a good human as he forgave his family again and again

Originally posted by: shilpagowda

we are discussing about historical jodha for your kind information- also note our jodha was involved in trading business as well - she had a leader ship quality - in 21st century only it is difficult to do your business - imagine she had her our business in that era- what a inspiring lady - no doubt why she had such a place in akbar's life.

if akbar would have put his wife's behind four walls - then why do u think she had her business - some body from our generation went to that era & gifted her the mobile for trading & provinded 4G internet for translation - wow want a thought

if akbar would have writtern akbar nama - you post would have made sense any way

people like aurag & shah where against hindus - they destroyed evidence of our great lady - if i could get better details - we get inspired by this ladies - 👏

be it <font size="3">kittur rani channama,Onake Obavva & jansi ki rani even jija bai in that case or our harka bai , jodha bai</font>

Moreove4,, she actively participate in political affairs,, Akbar had given many relaxation to her,,many rules change for her,, she WS the only mughal begum who had visited her mother house(Amer) for two times after marriage,, she was the only mughl begum who had 12000 calvary under her instruction, only mughal begum who had the guts to question and taunt Akbar in open court in her guruji's murder case. She was possessive enough on Akbar DAT she can ouster a fav bandi of Akbar.. She was intellect and had freedom enough to give farmaan on her name.. No she NVR did any war for Akbar, BT she had that capability,, and she had a grt influence on him undoubtedly like his navratans and we must credit her for DAT. I agre JA show main bohot much Jada dikhaya, BT with this bohot kuch sahi bhi dikhaya. and bohot kuch nehi dikhaya in MuZ case Jo dikhana chahiye tha..lyk I can never beilive Real Jodha bai was treated as a doormat by Rukaiya sultan, the way it has been shown in JA.

I think its just waste of time to debate on this topic,, humme se koi nehi janta 500 sal pehle kya hua tha, History is mystery and about perception, our perception are different. BT doesn't mean we are wrong. and I absolutely don't like demeaning any historical character.

Originally posted by: amina1

well akbar changed due to jodha to salim to saint hi hota na ohwait he had those bad habits because of rukiyya sorry i forgot

salim was never shown Jallad in the show, He actually shown as a kind hearted guys who has some tiffle with his parents for some reason. yes he has a bad habit of Affem DAT too for CV's fav ruku,, and the biggest problem with Salim was the Actor who played the role.

Originally posted by: amina1

👏exactly my point prem well said as i said a mother father plays a big role in shaping theire children a wife just walk along her husband and same goes for wife as well but to give intire credit to a life patner is something else, whatever was shown in jodha akbar was just drama nothing else same goes for this show as well maybe a patner plays an influence in thinking thats it

Guys it is simple LOGIC. That show name was JODHA AKBAR, so the credit was given to Jodha and this show name is Chandra Nandini, so the credit will be given to Nandini. If the show names were just Akbar & Chandra Gupta Maurya, then they would not have given credit to any wife.

Well said !!!

All i said about mughal begums is what i read in books like private life of mughals, mughal harem etc

Originally posted by: myviewprem

All i said about mughal begums is what i read in books like private life of mughals, mughal harem etc

Yes jodha did recieve gifts from nobels and had spices business going

That did not mean she could go around freely, she also followed harem rules and harem rules were as i stated.

And Akbars few wives had great powers some were incharge of building gardens, some took care of orphanages and destitute homes etc One of Akbars wives Rukmavathi requested Salim to pardon Shakti Singh of Mewar for helping Maharana Pratap in battle of haldighatti. Indeed jodha was powerful after all she is next emperors mother and first sons mom.

As far as taunting goes when Amar Singh killed a nobel in court and Shah jahan fled the spot Mumtaz told him not to enter harem till Amar Singh is alive.

I doubt Jodha taunted akbar, she was senior lady in court. It must be some younger rajputh wives of akbar who taunted. Jodha was graceful lady she may have requested.

Sometimes men need taunts from moms, sisters and wives or daughters to get them moving 😉

Even the most powerful Nur Jahan and Jahanara, Mumtaz who were much more powerful than a Jodha, Ruqaiah etc had to follow these rules.

But indeed Jahanara and Roshanara had seperate palaces outside agra fort a privilege given only to male princes they were so powerful(in 16th century a lady having a palace/house and being head of house without a father/brother/husband was a great thing.