Chandra Nandini 31-33:Extended finale;Nos.46-47pg 120;No.48 pg 128 - Page 23

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Posted: 8 years ago
Ria dear, I would second you whole-heartedly on this,

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago

Aunty, I'm here to nervously inform you that I'm doing an about-turn and heading back to my prann days😒. It is not because of any particular character or actor. Bas itnii si baat hain ke the writing sets my teeth on edge. And every second scene oozes Ektaness😆🥱, and reminds me of the reasons I had imposed a blanket ban on any show that comes out of her stables so many many years ago.

But I do love your posts, and would very much like to keep annoying you with my comments. So pleajjj don't slash my name off your PM list🥺.

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Posted: 8 years ago
Very interesting, my dear Shailaja. I have not yet seem that post of Prem's but when I do, I am glad that you would already have spared me a lot of typing which I simply cannot cope with right now!

I personally have never bought this nafrat aur mohabbat ke beech ka sarhad bahut hi patla hota hai mantra so beloved of TV scriptwriters. Hate can, in 99% of cases, be at the most toned down to tolerance, not to love.

Anyhow, as far as your arguments in favour of both Durdhara and Helena are concerned, they are very sound as far as the present situation goes, or rather the one till last Friday. Now, to me at least, Durdhara is beginning to sound totally foolish, and her babbling about Nandini gets on my nerves. One night she dreams that Nandini is out to kill her husband and the next morning she is all gaga about her?? 😲

And Helena's monomania with her pratishodh is making her dense, and it does not seem to leave any room for concern about Chandra at all. For example, it does not even occur to her to wonder about WHY Nandini suddenly agreed to marry Chandragupta. Now this is a major failing in someone so sharp in general. In her place, that is the first thing I would have focussed on and worried about, for even if she does not care for Chandra at the emotional level, once he goes, she will be reduced to nothing.

The only saving grace in the script at the moment, besides Chandragupta, of course, is Helena's mother.

Your tale of the two kites is dismally accurate in most cases, alas! Only here, the ones likely to crashland and lie muttering in a corner are us, not the lead pair!😡

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Aunty Prem made a post on 'Why men love badass women?" refering to Nandini and not perhaps women like Durdhara and Helena who are in every other way acceptable. I told him that rather than a character or his love for a lady, it was the penchant of the CVs to make somebody like Chandra like a girl like Nandini preferring her over a Durdhara or Helena. Such a thing would never happen in real life. It happens only on reel and in fiction. The ideas of the CVs regarding a grand, intense, and passionate star-crossed love story will never take off with the likes of someone like Durdhara or Helena. I am pasting my reply to that topic here:


" Prem to tell the truth in reality no husband would tolerate a wife like Nandini leave alone loving her. He will love a girl like Durdhara or Helena. Durdhara is very good and childlike. So she will always be liked and esteemed as a companion by any man! If a man cannot and does not love a girl like he must be a fool! Chandra too loves and cares for Durdhara. At least that is what I felt! He does not realize what he feels for her is love, but to tell you the truth, it is love, and that too two-sided and reciprocal.

What Chandra feels for Helena could be trust, reliance and the partnership of two equals. But it is an extremely positive and constructive kind of emotion that he feels for both the ladies, Durdhara and Helena. Helena is narcissistic but all the same she supports her husband in times of distress and truly cares for him! Any man might overlook her giving importance to her desires, preferences, and priorities first before she looks into other's priorities, desires, or preferences!

After all it is not a crime to love yourself first and foremost; provided you have the space and magnanimity to love somebody else along with your own self, and have some space and concern for their interests as well! So as long as she loves him and his interests too, many men might not have a problem even with a woman like Helena.

But Nandini is a class apart! The poor chap will not even survive to hate her, leave alone love her! This is just a reel, fictional story! Love in real life is very different. But I suppose it hardly makes an interesting story for the CVs of a TV show! They thrive on drama and for that they need a Nandini. A Durdhara or Helena will hardly fit their bill of an ideal TV heroine on whom they can spin reams and reams of imagination!

Ordinary people like you and me cannot find it in us to understand the 'Amar Prem Gatha' of TV CVs with characters like Nandini, the love-hate tirades, the Saas Bahu and Sautan dramas which such ladies make possible in their script! Such hatred as Chandra and Nandini can sink into indifference at the maximum! There are all possibilities that the hatred on both sides will remain the same throughout their lives. But such intense passionate hate turned to love happen only in stories not real life.

So if we take the relationship of Chandra and Nandini on the show per say, it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that some people rub us the wrong way or bring out the worst in us. Chandra and Nandini are doing that to each other. It is not just the case of their being polar opposites or enemies due to circumstances, it goes much beyond that. They see each other as a threat to that bit of their self identity that both of them hold very dear and close to their heart. They perceive it as being snatched from them when they are in proximity. They lose track of what and who they are. They lose their bearings. Hence they behave so viciously with each other.

I will narrate a small story which I feel will describe both Chandra and Nandini aptly at the present moment. There were two kites flying in the sky. They were flying high up above the rest of the kites. They could have peacefully coexisted at the top if they had wanted. But each kept tugging and pulling in the opposite directions because of course each kite felt that it was right and the other kite wrong. They fought, they reasoned, they argued, but the pity, they did not let go the quarrel and move on.

They were stuck with the kite whose tendencies and behavior they hated the most. They could not tolerate nor give the other kite the space to fly in its own sky; and in inhibiting the other kite, their own movements were getting restricted. They kept coming closer and closer though this proximity suffocated both the kites. After a time both kites stopped their own flight and stated trying to prevent the other from flying.

Finally both of them got entangled and yet they kept on fighting and resisting the other. The threads which secured the two kites started becoming a tangled and jumbled mass. Still neither of the kites would give up! The threads snapped! Finally both the kites fell to the ground in one corner each gathering dust but still tied to each other due to the tangled and jumbled mass of knots. They spent the rest of their lives and time fighting and cribbing with each other.

Prem you are free to apply this story to Chandra and Nandini as they are on the show now and draw whatever conclusions and morals you like from it!"

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

It is interesting that none of you thinks of one of my all time favourites, Sunlight on a butterfly's wings.

It is far easier to impress the viewers with high voltage dramatics than with something as light and insubstantial as gossamer, but they did it in this episode.

Yes. That and the Badal-Kajiri scenes too. Journey to Camelot.😳

Yes, of these choice Jodha Akbar episodes, only 1, No.31, The Emperor Strikes Back, came within the 37 episodes done here so far. But what seems to be missing here is the promise of something electric, which was always there between Jalal and Jodha in the early days.

We also had the sharts by episode 32/33. But agree. The spark is missing.

This is almost solely due to the heroine. Look at her face in the snippet where she collides with Chandragupta and her ring, with the poison in it, falls to the ground. There is nothing but the same wide-eyed stare and the pressing down on the lower lip, her signature tic.


Shweta looks capable of nothing more than 3 expressions. It has been 37 episodes and she has had ample screen space and opportunities. 😡

Whereas there should have been first alarm, then near panic when he picks up the ring, then a fleeting look of cunning as she thinks of the explanation for grabbing the ring from him, and finally relief flooding thru her being as she manages to retrieve the ring and rushes past him. Rajat, in her place, would have showed all these and a couple more as well.

Paridhi was ordinary against Rajat. Shweta for all her national award looks sub-ordinary.

Again when she is standing wondering how Chandra survived the poison. Nothing at all on her face.


Even Rajat, marvellous as he is - just look at the totally different ways in which he reacts to and handles Durdhara and Helena in that little scene of the three together! - cannot carry a show single-handedly.

True.

I am glad that no one has so far been hounding me for the next post, for I really do not feel like doing one at all, except perhaps to clear the accumulating backlog.

When something is very good on screen we'd love to relive the experience once again through your words. But with the abysmal goings on, it would be unfair to press you to watch them 2-3 times as is needed to make a post.

In the meantime, I hope that at least the latest tripe shown onscreen will at least push up the TRPs, for no matter how little I like this show as at present, I want it to be a hit for Rajat's sake.

😕

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Posted: 8 years ago
Ranjana my dear, I am sure you have already scooted off to safety, to escape the anticipated whacking, so I need not bestir myself to look for my stout slipper!😉

I am sorry you will be dropping out, for I do not see how anyone can really appreciate what I am describing and discussing without having seen it. But young people these days are all bull-headed, so I am not going to waste my breath arguing with you!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: kautilya04

Aunty, I'm here to nervously inform you that I'm doing an about-turn and heading back to my prann days😒. It is not because of any particular character or actor. Bas itnii si baat hain ke the writing sets my teeth on edge. And every second scene oozes Ektaness😆🥱, and reminds me of the reasons I had imposed a blanket ban on any show that comes out of her stables so many many years ago.

But I do love your posts, and would very much like to keep annoying you with my comments. So pleajjj don't slash my name off your PM list🥺.

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

It is good to see all of you enjoying yourselves drawing parallels with similar scenes in Jodha Akbar.

This, however, has two disadvantages. One, the parallel is not exact, and so the fury of Chandragupta's reaction seems rational, and not in the least excessive given the enormity of her crime. So it lacks the punch of Jalal's edgy, dangerous, almost out of control snarling.

Two, Nandini's reaction is not a patch on the blank terror in Jodha's eyes, the first and last time she was really terrified of Jalal. This girl cannot dredge up even fear, not to speak of the far stronger reaction the scene calls for.

As for me, I thought the whole shebang of Chandra lugging this female up to the bath and scrubbing her down himself was ludicrous. I am sure she weighs a good bit, these short, plumpish women often do, and I felt sorry for poor Rajat.😉That apart, it seemed bizarre for him not to simply alert Avantika to what had happened and leave it at that. That is what any normal person in his place would have done. It was all so contrived and stupid. If this is the CVs idea of involuntary romance, they should think again.

I think he thought initially that there had been a plot against Nandini, but by precap time, he must have learnt otherwise from Helen's mamma dearest. Now she is a delight!

And how slow acting this so-called poison was! Totally useless, for after a good long while, all it does is to blister Durdhara's hands. She is not dead by any manner of means, so how was Nandini expecting to dispose speedily to a much bigger and heavier Chandragupta thru the same kind of osmosis via the skin? In a similar situation is CAS, the chemical used was an acid that immediately began to char the skin. Of course the script had to be full of holes here!

Shyamala Aunty

@red... That is the only possible explanation for the otherwise detergent promotional scene... now this name is very correctly suggested by someone here in the thread 😉.
I was quite disappointed that Chandra didn't use a Scotch Bite Scrub pad 😕

In this show, any vamp is delightful in some way or another. The latest is of course, this diva from the West... she's got some real brains and that explains how Helena is what she is! 😉
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

He sprained himself when he lifted Ben so and had to stay in the anantasayanam posture for nearly a month in JA, which somehow diluted the Ben sequence initially. Hope he doesn't attempt this heavy weight weightlifting risk again
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Posted: 8 years ago
A lapdog, my dear Amina! The sort of creature that follows you around and fawns on you even if you kick it away.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: amina1

until she turned him in to a hen pecked husband a hush puppy😆

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No, he did not sprain anything lifting Benazir. Rajat is a strong boy, and I am sure he could have carried that female. Actually he did make it look quite easy.

He cut his foot on a piece of glass that was lying on the floor of the pool, thanks to the kind of maintenance staff around.

Shyamala Aunty

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I loved this post of yours, my dear Ria, especially the parts I have now put in blue.

Yes, they could have used Nandini effectively as a hostage, and that would have worked far better against Nand than the marriage.

However, the same idea, in the 1990 Chanakya, which was a very intelligent show, was to neutralise not Dhananand, but all his supporters in and around Pataliputra, who would have been a perennial threat to Chandragupta's life. That was a valid reason.

But then that serial took a very different approach to the whole matter. In that Chanakya, the old fox stirs up a civil war inside Magadha, given that the king Dhananand is terminally incompetent and corrupt, and the praja is totally disaffected with the regime. One prince kills the yuvaraj, and Chanakya's man on the spot kills the killer.

Dhananand is persuaded to abdicate in favour of Chandragupta, whose army then strolls into Pataliputra. There is no battle for Pataliputra. Chanakya then literally forces Chandragupta to marry Dhananand's daughter, so as to merge the two families and neutralise the residual Nandites.

He adds, quite explicitly, that he wants the uttaradhikari for the Mauryan empire to be born of that union, whether Chandragupta liked it or not. And that Chanakya is far more autocratic and non-conciliatory than this one.

End of story.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BabyHimavari

'Aunty helena's mummy has already herself in my fav list... her character is now so interesting to watch for😉... only i disapproved her weird looking wig.😕... but nevermind..

Aunty true to say as i watched the eps.. the whole purpose of marriage seems totally insensitive and useless to me and the most tragic thing is that the advice came from Chanakya Himself... Nandini herself is now a danger for Chandra's life and despite of knowing the whole fact he was forcing chandra for the marriage... I still can't understand that what raajnaitik labh chandra would acquire from this marriage rather than inviting dangr upon himself... nd how this marriage supposed to save him from Nanda's attack?!... Rather than installing a tight security around magadh and samrat a great strategist like him is putting his faith on a vivaah?...

I was dissapointed when he said that Nand would never be able to make her daughter widow... ohh does he really think so?!.. as far as it concerned even a common man would get that Padmanand wouldn't take a single min to slash Chandra's head without caring about the thing that he is her daughter's husband... after all killing Chandra would be the solution of his all problem... and even her daughter would happily embrace the widowhood I guess...
and why does chandra need to marry her?! they are imprisoned by him and he can do anything he want with them... was not the cause enough as precaution against Nand?!
I knew really well that the maariage was invitable but never thought that they would come up with such a weak reason...anyway i would stop my complaining now... lets talking about the good thing... Rajat looking extremely good as Raja Chandragupta maurya... the rajya-abhisek episode shined fpr his performance. Well I was not happy with Mura's dosti ka hath towards avantika but neverthless she was not in total mahan mode and her attitude was good in the whole scene... Nandini's Roasted Poison Extraction method was hilarious... (I suddenly remembered about Mata Dharma from CAS here... If she was there with her most effective maha mrityunjay mantra then the poor ladies doesn't have to do such effort..😆😆)...

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