Chandra Nandini 23-25: Helen 2.0

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Shailaja

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Posted: 8 years ago

#81

Nevertheless Aunty, I will keep on trying! Kabhi Na Kabhi meri Script ideas ki Jeeth Hogi!

Not Rajneetic labh; it's rather Rajneetic Durlabh. All his marriages except his one to Helena! Nothing beneficial is going to come out of it! At least Nand is going to bid goodbye saving Chandra from the menace of two irritating Sasurs. I don't categorize Selucus here! He is a decent human being and now an influential leader. He and his army can come in handy some day.

Nandini is just going to bring along Tun Tun with her while Durdhara will bring her Athipriya Pithaji, both of whom look well equipped and capable to exhaust the treasury and food granary of Magadh with their moderate eating and drinking habits.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

You, my dear Shailaja, belong in the studios! What a gorgeously lurid script you have cooked up!

Alas, this marvellously amusing take was ruined in tonight's precap. Chandra marries someone, clearly Durdhara, and her father, the Mukri-clone (that chap was a short, fat comedian in the 1970s and 80s) was very much among the living, standing there and showering flowers on the bride and groom. Helena was also there, doing the same thing, One could not make out whether she was cheesed off about it or not.

The comic part of this was Nandini, in Pataliputra, reporting to Amatya Rakshas (his real name is Katyayan!) that Chandra was getting married once more kuch rajnaitik labh ke liye, and they were very keen to ascertain whom he was marrying and what the political advantage would be. I can see none, unless Chandra planned to run for the post of the village panchayat pradhan!😆

Chandra does not have a single wife who is really well born. One is a barber's daughter, one is a village bumpkin's daughter, so the third, who is at least the daughter of one of Alexander's generals, is the best born of the lot!

I too hope that her equation with Chandra stays intact even after these marriages. I did not like Durdhara yesterday as much as I had in her first appearance. She looked pinch faced and her acting left a lot to be desired.

Shyamala Aunty

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pakhiv.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#82

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Now this, my dear Pakhi, is a very interesting set of questions. Of course I cannot predict what the writers will do with Helena in the future, but going by what she had been shown to be thus far, let me try and answer your queries. My comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

thanks Auntie. Will be back after watching the episode.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#83

My dear Lashykanna,

It is sweet of you to be concerned, my pet, and yes, the cold is better, which is a major plus. It was really lousy for the last two-three days, but one cannot even claim to be actually ill!😉 My hands are, to tell you the truth, being over used. Yesterday it was suddenly very hard to bend the fingers and make a fist, but after a lot of massaging, it is much better today. And this when I have not responded to any comments on two of my threads. I am just waiting to see how long I can carry on.

Yes, I think you should see the episodes first, especially nos. 24 & 25, with the two Helena-Chandra scenes. Her character has, so far, been developed surprisingly well, and with remarkable consistency. I hope both she , and her relationship with Chandra, which is extremely well etched thus far, stay the same as they are now.

As and when you read this post, do also take a look at my response to Pakhi on page 7 above. For once, someone asked me a thought provoking set of questions, though some of them were based on the wrong premises, and I tried my best to answer them.

I was not overly impressed with Durdhara yesterday. She looked pinch faced, and her acting left much to be desired. Tonight, Nandini was a complete washout, and, once the recognition of Mura as his mother angle had been dealt with, Rajat too had nothing much to do but snarl threats into Nandini's ear and beat up the guards.

I cannot imagine what he is marrying Durdhara for. Not because her father, the Mukri-clone (that chap was a short, fat comedian in the 1970s and 80s) pops off and leaves her orphaned, that is for sure. He was very much among the living, standing there and showering flowers on the bride and groom. Helena was also there, doing the same thing, One could not make out whether she was cheesed off about it or not.

The comic part of this was Nandini, in Pataliputra, reporting to Amatya Rakshas (his real name is Katyayan) that Chandra was getting married once more kuch rajnaitik labh ke liye, and they were very keen to ascertain whom he was marrying and what the political advantage would be. I can see none, unless Chandra planned to run for the post of the village panchayat pradhan!😆

All said and done, Chandra does not have a single wife who is really well born. One is a barber's daughter, one is a village bumpkin's daughter, so it is Helena, who is at least the daughter of one of Alexander's generals, who is clearly the best born of the lot! 😆

I might well have written one more post by the time you catch up with these episodes, but I am not sure I have enough material for one tomorrow. Maybe the day after.

You too take care, my poppet. As for this thread, it has been converted into a Bengali adda, concentrating on historical fiction in Bengali, especially the books by Saradindu Bandhopadhyay. It is very interesting, though I do not know any Bengali. I was taken aback to see that the thread had added 4 pages in 2 hours; it was almost as if my Chipmunks were back!😉

Ah yes, Rajat's abs count was very impressive, but I liked him far better in the swayamvar.

Shyamala Periyamma

Originally posted by: lashy
Firstly, hope the cold is better... and your hands too!

I haven't read the analysis yet Periyamma... for the first time, I want to do it the right way around, since I heard that the episodes have shaped up nicely...

I want to catch up on the episodes first... before I read your take on it.

A few days time and I should be able to do that... and then I'll read this and (maybe the next one you would have posted by then)

Please take care of yourself... I do peep in now and again ... just to catch up on the fun stuff on the thread... 🤗

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#84

Shailaja, you are a perennial delight! Yes, of course Durlabh from Durdhara!

Your take on Chandra' s sasurs is so very funny, especially Durdhara's village glutton of a father. What a bunch of low life characters! Poor Chandra.

You do one thing, my dear. Try and think of some reason why Chandra suddenly decides to marry her. Then we can see if tomorrow is your lucky day! I cannot think of anything, plausible or implausible.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983
Nevertheless Aunty, I will keep on trying! Kabhi Na Kabhi meri Script ideas ki Jeeth Hogi!

Not Rajneetic labh; it's rather Rajneetic Durlabh. All his marriages except his one to Helena! Nothing beneficial is going to come out of it! At least Nand is going to bid goodbye saving Chandra from the menace of two irritating Sasurs. I don't categorize Selucus here! He is a decent human being and now an influential leader. He and his army can come in handy some day.

Nandini is just going to bring along Tun Tun with her while Durdhara will bring her Athipriya Pithaji, both of whom look well equipped and capable to exhaust the treasury and food granary of Magadh with their moderate eating and drinking habits.

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Shailaja

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Posted: 8 years ago

#85

So aunty, since you specially asked for a reason why Chandra marries Durdhara, Shailu dimag ki ghode daudarahi hai! Let me guess!

Chandra's royal birth truth is out. This bloke for all his misleading appearances, is a Naataamai type man(village pradhan) not just of one village but 14 villages in a very strategic location of Magadh. That's not all!

He is the president of a prestigious merchants's cartel in Magadh. He is actually one of the richest men in the kingdom of Magadh. He is willing to finance Chandra's war campaigns provided he marries Durdhara, wins the war and makes Durdhara a Maharani too! Moreover he too has a private army of servants and overseers working in his "huge estates". He tells he will get these men to join Chandra in the war.

Piplivan Praja on knowing that he is their King are ready to fully support and back Chandra. They have mutinied against Nand already. The Suraksha Kar is making Nand highly unpopular.

A number of other kings who did not support Chandra as they despised his low birth, i.e they thought he was a cowherd; but now they are behind him because he is Chandragupt Maurya, the son of Suryagupt Maurya, the former king of Piplivan. These kings hated Nand for his low birth, i.e for being a Naapit in the past. They did not support Chandra earlier because they thought he was a cowherd as well, which he is no longer now that his royal birth truth is out. So looking at the present situation, Chanakya and Helena advise Chandra to close in with the offer of Durdhara's father and clinch the deal with a marriage to Durdhara.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Shailaja, you are a perennial delight! Yes, of course Durlabh from Durdhara!

Your take on Chandra' s sasurs is so very funny, especially Durdhara's village glutton of a father. What a bunch of low life characters! Poor Chandra.

You do one thing, my dear. Try and think of some reason why Chandra suddenly decides to marry her. Then we can see if tomorrow is your lucky day! I cannot think of anything, plausible or implausible. 

Shyamala Aunty

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LostTraveller

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Posted: 8 years ago

#86

Check pg 12 plz. This was an kmcomplete post because on my stupid mobile. Ugh. Full post in next pg.

Edited by BrienneOfTarth - 8 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#87

Not bad at all, my dear, in fact surprisingly good. I am perennially astonished at the fecundity of your imagination!👏

Durdhara is very well dressed, and their house looks to be that of a prosperous man, so maybe he is all you say he is. If so, the reason you have advanced is a classic, the one for which a whole lot of English aristocrats married American heiresses in the last century and the one before that, to get the funds to maintain and renovate their ancestral estates. Here it is for Chandra to get his estates, that is all!

But is this chap located in Magadha at all? I think not, for it he had been so rich and a resident of Magadha, Nand would have milked him dry already!😉 I suppose he lives near the border of Magadha, but in an adjacent kingdom. Not that this matters, so long as Nand cannot get at him physically, and he is clearly not able to do that.

Under these circumstances, I can easily see Chanakya and Helena promoting this marriage. In fact, the two of them think so much alike that they remind me of Tweedledum and Tweedledee. 😉

There is one thing I cannot understand in all this, Shailaja. Chandra was brought up by this charwaha couple near a forest. Chandra says he knew Durdhara from their childhood. That means Durdhara must have been living near the house of Chandra's foster parents.

Chandra also lands up at Durdhara's place to escape from the Greek posse. He is on foot, as Chanakya has driven off his horse to mislead the posse. So Durdhara's place must have been within an easy trekking distance of both Alexander's camp and the house of Chandra's foster parents.

But when he arrives there, Durdhara says she has not seen him in 6 months. How is this possible? Chandra was taken away to Takshashila by Chanakya as a boy, and he never revisited his foster parents, nor did he come anywhere near Magadha. Only to Parvatak rajya a few weeks earlier at the time of Malayaketu's yuvarajyabhishek... How then could he have visited Durdhara 6 months ago?

It is all a mess as far as the timelines and links are concerned.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983
So aunty, since you specially asked for a reason why Chandra marries Durdhara, Shailu dimag ki ghode daudarahi hai! Let me guess!

Chandra's royal birth truth is out. This bloke for all his misleading appearances, is a Naataamai type man(village pradhan) not just of one village but 14 villages in a very strategic location of Magadh. That's not all!

He is the president of a prestigious merchants's cartel in Magadh. He is actually one of the richest men in the kingdom of Magadh. He is willing to finance Chandra's war campaigns provided he marries Durdhara, wins the war and makes Durdhara a Maharani too! Moreover he too has a private army of servants and overseers working in his "huge estates". He tells he will get these men to join Chandra in the war.

Piplivan Praja on knowing that he is their King are ready to fully support and back Chandra. They have mutinied against Nand already. The Suraksha Kar is making Nand highly unpopular. So looking at the present situation, Chanakya and Helena advise Chandra to close in with the offer of Durdhara's father and clinch the deal with a marriage to Durdhara.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 8 years ago

#88

Ankita my dear,

This needs a detailed response, but it it too late for that tonight and my fingers are too tired. I will revert tomorrow, especially as I am putting up my next only on Thursday, there not being enough material for one in the 2 episodes Nos. 26 & 27.

For now, I will mention just one point. Wars were almost always fought for one man, and thousands died for the desires of one man. Whether it was the battle for Troy, or Chanakya's crusade against Padmanand, and now Chandra's, the motivation was mostly, in the end personal rather than grand moral principles: greed, vengeance, personal enmity. It is not so just in Helena's case.

As for Nandini, she is not just blind, she is dumb. Any girl who had listened to all that Chandra hissed in her ear tonight, about what his family had suffered at the hands of Nand, would have had at least some questions in her own mind. She seems to have none.

Besides, Shweta, of whom I had expected a lot, has still not located the acting skills that she had clearly mislaid. If she continues at this level, the show is going to end up like a three legged stool. Or maybe 2 1/2, seeing that the girl playing Durdhara is no Nutan or Nargis either.

More tomorrow, so whenever you get some time, watch this space!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth
Am typing this on my offtime at duty on my mobile so bear with me Aunt.
I sorely missed ur last posts but i will catch up when I get time.
Absolutely loved this analysis. Am giving my two cents worth now.
Helena - There is something to be said about the fury of a woman scorned. I can relate to the anger and vindication she feels towards Malayketu. Right now she is not thinking about anything except for her revenge against that man. For that she has sacrificed her loyalty to her motherland, her king and even her culture. She betrayed her King Alexander to teach CG Greek war tactics then helped him escape...she betrayed her motherland as a whole when she supports CG despite knowing that he will attack her countrymen for his advantage. Instead of supporting her father, the new Greek ruler, she plots to ensure that Seleucus and his army can be useful pawns for CG. Magadh is her aim. Such daring is exceptional in those times. Even when CG is losing hope, she holds fast and revives his fighting spirit. Even the wedding night is about her vengeance. Magadh, Magadh, Magadh. That is all she thinks about.
Strangely, CG has always given her a place higher than himself. The power dynamics till now are always heavier on her side. Be she as his master then as his guru and now as his partner, she continues to find more ways to keep that gentle intimidation yet support going. Once you teach a man, he will always look up to you and not at you. For CG too, he looks up to her. The equality is missing but they make this partnership work because for now that works for them both.

While I can but be in awe of her, I can also see her crashing in the future. Here is a woman who has forsaken her people to take revenge on one man. To punish one man she is ready to wage war on thousands. This is personal for her. She will watch thousands die for so that she can get her revenge. This is not justice that she seeks. It is plain old selfish and obssessive revenge. But what happens once Magadh is hers? Once Malayketu is punished? What will she do then. There is no going back for her. But will she be able to move forward?

I dont think so. CG and Chanakya both are aware of her motivations. Whatever they may feel for her, the knowledge that she betrayed her own people will always weigh in their minds when they think of trusting her. Coming to the marriage, she is spending the beginnings of her new relationship by fighting against a former lover. There is no love for CGM in her till now only confidence and trust. She will regret this lost time.

She might think Malayketu ruined her life but in reality her obssession with him is ruining her future as well. What happens when the vengeance is gone? Will it leave an emotional void, an empty lonely pride or a new obssession for a new love?

This woman doesnt do halves. She is all about extremes and she is all about herself. To hell with other lesser mortals. LOL. That right now works in her favour. In the future it may not if she continues to be so thoroughly focussed on what only she wants.

Nandini - the blinded fool who did what is expected of any daughter - she loved and trusted her father. Normally that is what good girls do, they love and obey their fathers who in turn never lead then astray. Sadly in her case her father is the villain who does lead her astray. Is it her fault for trusting her dad to make good decisions? Maybe. I cannot fault her for something that most children do when it comes to their parents. In this blinded trust, she is doing everything she can for him...getting hitched to a lecher to keep a strong alliance against her father's enemy, fighting the enemy...
I cannot summon anger for her...only pity...it is natural to deny accusations made against our aa

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Shailaja

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Posted: 8 years ago

#89

Ankita, we will discuss about Helena the day she royally errs against Chandra too. Till now she has not done anything wrong here. I think it is still too early days to judge her or her motives. Helena is just being a catalyst in this war with Magadh. She wouldn't have thought about it if Malay did not cheat or desert her. Even if Malay was not in question, I find nothing wrong in wanting to be powerful or being ambitious!

It was a different era and time period we are talking about. This was how empires are made. Even if she had schemed her way to be the Queen of Magadh, I would watch out for some of her future actions before judging her. That's how all powerful, talented and ambitious people of a certain period were! Everybody had an agenda, and everybody was grey. One's agenda could be a nobler one, the other's could be a baser one driven by narcissistic intentions. But the difference ended there. When it came to the means for securing their agenda, it was all one and the same; a violent power struggle driven one, costing thousands of lives. None of them cared; to be really honest.

As far as Nandini is concerned, I can feel sorry for her. But that is the maximum I can do for her at the present moment. She is no paragon of virtue either that I have to instantly jump in her defense. She will have to prove herself in the fire of redemption by disavowing her previous identity and forging a new and positive identity that she is not to blame for her father's sins.

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth
Am typing this on my offtime at duty on my mobile so bear with me Aunt.
I sorely missed ur last posts but i will catch up when I get time.
Absolutely loved this analysis. Am giving my two cents worth now.
Helena - There is something to be said about the fury of a woman scorned. I can relate to the anger and vindication she feels towards Malayketu. Right now she is not thinking about anything except for her revenge against that man. For that she has sacrificed her loyalty to her motherland, her king and even her culture. She betrayed her King Alexander to teach CG Greek war tactics then helped him escape...she betrayed her motherland as a whole when she supports CG despite knowing that he will attack her countrymen for his advantage. Instead of supporting her father, the new Greek ruler, she plots to ensure that Seleucus and his army can be useful pawns for CG. Magadh is her aim. Such daring is exceptional in those times. Even when CG is losing hope, she holds fast and revives his fighting spirit. Even the wedding night is about her vengeance. Magadh, Magadh, Magadh. That is all she thinks about. Strangely, CG has always given her a place higher than himself. The power dynamics till now are always heavier on her side. Be she as his master then as his guru and now as his partner, she continues to find more ways to keep that gentle intimidation yet support going. Once you teach a man, he will always look up to you and not at you. For CG too, he looks up to her. The equality is missing but they make this partnership work because for now that works for them both.

While I can but be in awe of her, I can also see her crashing in the future. Here is a woman who has forsaken her people to take revenge on one man. To punish one man she is ready to wage war on thousands. This is personal for her. She will watch thousands die for so that she can get her revenge. This is not justice that she seeks. It is plain old selfish and obssessive revenge. But what happens once Magadh is hers? Once Malayketu is punished? What will she do then. There is no going back for her. But will she be able to move forward?
I dont think so. CG and Chanakya both are aware of her motivations. Whatever they may feel for her, the knowledge that she betrayed her own people will always weigh in their minds when they think of trusting her. Coming to the marriage, she is spending the beginnings of her new relationship by fighting against a former lover. There is no love for CGM in her till now only confidence and trust. She will regret this lost time. She might think Malayketu ruined her life but in reality her obssession with him is ruining her future as well. What happens when the vengeance is gone? Will it leave an emotional void, an empty lonely pride or a new obssession for a new love?
This woman doesnt do halves. She is all about extremes and she is all about herself. To hell with other lesser mortals. LOL. That right now works in her favour. In the future it may not if she continues to be so thoroughly focussed on what only she wants.

Nandini - the blinded fool who did what is expected of any daughter - she loved and trusted her father. Normally that is what good girls do, they love and obey their fathers who in turn never lead then astray. Sadly in her case her father is the villain who does lead her astray. Is it her fault for trusting her dad to make good decisions? Maybe. I cannot fault her for something that most children do when it comes to their parents. In this blinded trust, she is doing everything she can for him...getting hitched to a lecher to keep a strong alliance against her father's enemy, fighting the enemy...
I cannot summon anger for her...only pity...it is natural to deny accusations made against our aa

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Shailaja

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Posted: 8 years ago

#90

Aunty supposing this Patalgram and other areas were not under Magadh or any particular kingdom. They could be small village hamlets or principalities skirting Magadhan kingdom and nearby the Former Greek ruled areas in India. This chap, Durdhara's dad could be the Chieftain of these regions. This could also work. Moora was running for day/days together in pregnant avastha. So she could well have crossed the borders of Magadh before she was recaptured by the Magadhan soldiers.

Chandra was irritated by the love soap opera tune of his foster mother so he never visited her. But he kept visiting Durdhara who was his childhood friend occasionally whenever he had vacations at Taxilla gurukul!

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Not bad at all, my dear, in fact surprisingly good. I am perennially astonished at the fecundity of your imagination!👏

Durdhara is very well dressed, and their house looks to be that of a prosperous man, so maybe he is all you say he is. If so, the reason you have advanced is a classic, the one for which a whole lot of English aristocrats married American heiresses in the last century and the one before that, to get the funds to maintain and renovate their ancestral estates. Here it is for Chandra to get his estates, that is all!

But is this chap located in Magadha at all? I think not, for it he had been so rich and a resident of Magadha, Nand would have milked him dry already!😉I suppose he lives near the border of Magadha, but in an adjacent kingdom. Not that this matters, so long as Nand cannot get at him physically, and he is clearly not able to do that.

Under these circumstances, I can easily see Chanakya and Helena promoting this marriage. In fact, the two of them think so much alike that they remind me of Tweedledum and Tweedledee.😉

There is one thing I cannot understand in all this, Shailaja. Chandra was brought up by this charwahacouple near a forest. Chandra says he knew Durdhara from their childhood. That means Durdhara must have been living near the house of Chandra's foster parents.

Chandra also lands up at Durdhara's place to escape from the Greek posse. He is on foot, as Chanakya has driven off his horse to mislead the posse. So Durdhara's place must have been within an easy trekking distance of both Alexander's camp and the house of Chandra's foster parents.

But when he arrives there, Durdhara says she has not seen him in 6 months. How is this possible? Chandra was taken away to Takshashila by Chanakya as a boy, and he never revisited his foster parents, nor did he come anywhere near Magadha. Only to Parvatak rajya a few weeks earlier at the time of Malayaketu's yuvarajyabhishek... How then could he have visited Durdhara 6 months ago?

It is all a mess as far as the timelines and links are concerned.

Shyamala Aunty

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