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The purely political
In order to achieve any real goal in life you must become like an yogi fully foccused on it. Chandra now is like an yogi his goal free mother india from its enemies and no family, no love, nothing can stop him. He is like arjuna who sees eye of bird rather than the bird or tree like others.
The purely personal:
Once porus died, chandragupta attacked punjab and annexed it when malekeytu was ruling it. Malekeytu is more interested in a wife and dowry she will get instead of securing himself and his state. I still do not understand how he will get magadh if he marries nandini, padmanand will give his empire to his elder son right not youngest daughter as dowry?
I even did not understand why malekeytu was playing with helena, she cannot get him anything because she is not alexanders sister she is just his commanders daughter. Or did alexander treat helena as sister and willing to help anyone she told to help? for ex malekeytu to get magadh. Anyway alexander once having magadh will keep it himself why he will give to maleyketu in fist place. So why was maleyketu playing with love love game. Was it the pleasure of using a greek lady an obsession with white skin girls?
The personal that has now become political:
Helena is political novice and not street smart as i expected her to be. She is stupid enough to risk her life to save maleyketu and believe he loves her. Now which indian king of that time married a greek or outside princess hardly anyone. So what makes her think she can marry maley?
Second stupidity is she wants alexander to attack punjab and magadh to teach lesson to maley and nandhini. Oh come on helena why will alexander attack his own vassal porus? and right now his army is sick and tired how will he win over magadh if he listen to you? Anyway you are just his commanders daughter not alexanders mother(whom he loved and obeyed) or his sister that he will fight to take revenge for your broken heart
Third stupidity of helena is she is teaching chandra greek war tactics how foolish? How will this be of use to defeat maleyketu and magadh stupid girl. Chandra will use your teachings to defeat your own dad and alexander. Because maleyketu and magadh has more indian soldiers and use traditional indian warfare method not greek war methods.
After such stupidity once she sees chandra used her like maley she wuill cry hoarse saying that chandra cheated me i want revenge uff such foolish girls chandra got as wife one helena one nandhini
The two Cs:
No matter how clever you are you make mistakes. Chandra has not observed greek soldiers following him, shows diff between a young man chandra and a experience chankya. Chandra is now getting more comfortable in his own ability and telling chankya what to do? You can say young blood but if he has to be emperor he cannot be so naive in decision making. Luckily chankya will guide him all life in politics on his own chandra would be making wrong decisions
Chankya wants chandra to kill padmanand in porus camp, good idea but will it not be easier to kill padmaanand as he goes back to magadh on way in some dense place where his gaurds are distracted. Chankya is too impatient to achieve his goal, comes from fact that he is nearing 50s, waited too long to free india and is getting old now scared that he may die waiting to fulfill his dreams, chandra is causual as he has age on his side and not in hurry.
Chandra's army:
Yes aunty, i was reading a book on magadh empire. It says chandra started his quest to win magadh at age 18 years and only succeded at age 28 and then took another 3 years to win magadh. In between he lost many wars, ran with enemies searching for him everywhere, lived in forests among lion herds (you see magadh symbols are lion). Chandraguptas life story is like babar and ghenghis khan, i have read all three and i can see no king had a tougher life in human history than ghenghis khan, babar and chandragupta(not even humayun, shivaji). I can only salute the courage of this young man who saw death so many times in front escaped somehow and still went on creating one new army after another and attacking greeks and magadh. hats off i do not think in modern history anyone has done something so remarkable as CGM, Ghenghis khan and babar. Any lesser mortal would have just given up truly hats off. I request all to read about these three, you will get inspiration.
Originally posted by: Sabdabhala
HI AUNTY
SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN MY RESPONSE AND I HOPE YOUR EYES GET BETTER SOONI HAVE MISSED SOME EPISODES LAST WEEK AND HENCE NOTHING TO ADD FROM MY SIDE. BUT I DO READ UP YOUR POSTS EVERYTIME, AND MORE THAN ONCE, TO GET TO KNOW WHATS HAPPENING. I SPECIALLY LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ANALYSIS ON THE CHANDRA AND CHANAKYA INTERACTIONS BECAUSE FOR THE FEW SCENES OF THE TWO THAT I HAVE SEEN, YOUR WRITINGS ABOUT THEM WERE FAR BETTER THAN THE ACTUAL SCENES.
I KNOW YOU WOULD NOT WELCOME THIS COMMENT, BUT I TOO AM WAITING FOR CN TO START GROWING ON ME LIKE JA DID, AND SINCE AS OF NOW MY MOTIVATION TO WATCH IT IS NOT THAT HIGH, I FEEL IT IS BETTER FOR ME TO STICK TO YOUR ANALYSESI AGREE WITH YOU ON ARPIT RANKA. I DID NOT MUCH LIKE HIM IN THE FEW EARLIER EPISODES, BUT NOW I DO FEEL HE DOES A GREAT JOB. IN MY OPINION HIS DIALOGUES ARE SOMEWHAT NOT FULLY CLEAR THOUGH.ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT NANDINI AND HELENA HAVE ALREADY ENTERED THE SHOW AND NEWS ABOUT DURADHARA SEEMS TO SUGGEST THAT SHE TOO IS NOT FAR BEHIND. (I HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT HELENA WOULD ENTER ONLY AFTER DURADHARA DIES, BUT I GUESS THAT WAS WRONG)I WOULD LOVE TO SEE RAJAT'S DETAILED INTERACTIONS WITH EACH OF THESE THREE WOMEN, SPECIALLY AFTER HE BECOMES KING AND MARRIES (?) THEM 😆. THE CHRONOLOGY THAT EKTA TAKES WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE 😆. I JUST HOPE SHE DOES NOT DEIFY ONE AT THE COST OF THE OTHERS
Happy diwali shyamala aunty .wish you good health
As for the analysis , it was like i was watching all the three episode all over again but with better prespective and deep thinking . The only thing that does not make sense(apart from other things)is Helena's anger towards nandiniIt is unfair but it doesn't make sense.Probably, like nandini ,Helena has become blind and delusional after the heartbreakThank you for the pmTake care of yourselfNeha
Originally posted by: sashashyam
Folks,
Here I am at last, only two days late, which, seeing the distractions to which all of you must have been subject this last week, would have been hardly noticeable!😉 My eyes have also changed colour from that of a ripe tomato to a pale pink, so if I blink often enough, I should be able to manage the length of this post (as yet indefinite!) and get these 3 chapters out of our way.
The plot of our show bears a marked resemblance to the gravy we make for special festival dishes. There are two main kinds of gravy: the smooth one, which is uniform thru and thru, and the Thousand Islands variety, full of odd, mysterious lumps on and below the surface, which add to the fun of tasting it, for one never knows what one is going to bite into. Our Chandra Nandini is, right now, definitely of the second kind. Which is what made this triptych so interesting.
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There are again two main strands in the narrative: the political and the personal. The catch is that these two do not stay in clearly demarcated compartments, they twist and turn and tangle themselves (howzzat for alliteration?) into each other, making four blends, each with distinct ingredients.
Beautiful!
-The purely political: This is the choicest of single malts, outdoing even the best Glenfiddich ( a prized unblended whisky) in its purity and its fiery taste.
To wit, the duo of Chandragupta and Chanakya, with their unflagging zeal and their commitment to their mathrubhoomi, and their logical, daring yojana for ousting both the videshis and the desi villain, Padmanand, and seizing the throne of Magadha for Chandragupta. Zeal, and a ferocious loyalty to their cause, unsullied by any personal feelings of the debilitating kind.
-The purely personal: This is Padmanand and his fierce love for his daughter Nandini. This love governs all that he does, and the vulnerability that is the inevitable concomitant of love clouds his judgement, especially as regards Malayaketu, so that he does not even recognize his own kind of philanderer who can respect no woman.
-The political operating thru the personal: This is Malayaketu, with his dream of dominating all of Bharat, not by his valour or his talents, but thru the back door, by seducing power (Helena) or marrying into power (Nandini), in the hope of then using that power to get Magadha first, and the whole of Bharat later.
-The personal that has now become political: This is Helena, whose blind love for a foreigner leads her to disgrace (happily secret) and heartbreak. These are then transformed, with discreet but very effective encouragement from Chandragupta, into a raging flame of hatred that will now seek revenge on Malayaketu (and on Nandini as well) through political, and perhaps military means as well.
Everything of significance that we have been shown in these 3 episodes fits into one or the other of these compartments, and it is these 4 distinct forces that govern all the inter se relationships between the principal dramatis personae. And produce the best scenes! It is also these forces that will determine the developments in the immediate future as well.
There is a love factor underlying in all of the above cases, viz., purely political, purely personal and the personal turned into political. Love for the country, love for daughter, misplaced love on a untrustworthy man..and love of his own self- Malayakethu!
Nandini? : You might be wondering where Nandini is in all of this. The short answer to that is: nowhere much at the moment.
She is, as of now, more of an object than a subject, the motive for the actions of others rather than a force of her own. She also appears at times to be extraordinarily self-centred, dense, and constitutionally incapable of perceiving what the other person is feeling. Witness her strange conversation with a visibly distraught Helena. It was surreal, her mindless chirpiness. She goes on and on without even, apparently, looking at the other woman's face, which speaks volumes, and should have revealed to even the most casual observer that Helena was being torn apart from inside.
It is thus hardly surprising that Nandini extends this all round blindness to her daily life, especially as far as daddy dearest is concerned. Given the abundant love that he lavishes on her, this last is, one has to concede, but natural.
This trait of Nandini's is, however, a downright dangerous one, above all for herself. But she remains stubbornly stuck in her role of the ingenue, warm-hearted, affectionate and above all simple, and thus limited in her understanding of the goings on around her.
Let us now take our four elements one by one.
The two Cs: The Chandragupta-Chanakya scenes were, this time, more businesslike than soaring to lofty heights of idealism.
The CVs could have made them elaborate their strategic plans in a more detailed way, making them meet a few more times..without giving room for the TRP to drop!
The duo are extremely methodical, with some secret, reliable means of communication for setting up their rendezvous, and fallback plans for coping with unexpected dangers, as from the spying mercenary soldiers, and disposing of them with ruthless efficiency. This, I now realized,was why Chanakya was shown doubling up as Chandra's fencing master, for he needs to know how to cut throats in an emergency!😉
Shyamala, in my opinion, the scene did not impress me. How could Chandragupta, having been thoroughly trained by Chanakya in war tactics , when posted in the enemy camp, didn't see the Greek soldiers following him at first. Shouldn't he have been more alert? He would have diverted their attention elsewhere very easily.
Their systematic reporting and assessing system is also admirable.
Chandragupta's body language, eyes lowered as usual in respect most of the time and hands crossed in front, is perfect, as is the implicit obedience in his Ji, Acharya! But he is now surer of himself, and does not hesitate, after having provided the situation brief on Alexander's troops, to speak up in favour of an immediate attack when the Macedonian's troop strength is at its lowest. That he is, here as earlier, more rash and enthusiastic than wise - which is but natural in one so young, a mere fledgling - is made clear to him at once by Chanakya, and he assimilates the new tasks assigned to him, to be performed simultaneously, with silent acceptance.
Chanakya - who, in his disguises, reminds me, oddly enough, of Nana Patekar 😊- is not just strict with his shishya, curbing his unwise enthusiasm and giving him precise and detailed instructions, but also demanding. As when, after being informed by Chandragupta that Maha Padmanand and his whole family were there for the yuvarajyabhishek, his question is sharp and almost angry: To use maarne ka avasar prapt nahin hua?
But his affectionate admiration for Chandragupta still peeks thru, though the latter does not see it. When Chandragupta is taking leave of his guru after their first meeting, a freeze shot of Chanakya's face and eyes is remarkably revealing. They brim over with proprietary pride and joy in his protege.
Chandra's army: The way in which Chanakya bullies the reluctant king of an unnamed kingdom into merging his forces with the ragtag medley of gwalas, dakus, kabilewaale aur vidrohi ( patriots who hate the foreign invaders, and who have thus rebelled and abandoned the armies of Ambhi of Takshashila and Porus of Kekeya, both now satraps of Alexander) who constitute Chandra's army, might have seemed highly unconvincing. But there is a reason for it.
As Prem (myviewprem) has correctly pointed out in my last thread, it actually took Chandragupta and Chanakya 7/8 years to conquer the Punjab, and then another 2/3 years to attack and conquer Magadha. In between, there were battles lost, after which Chandragupta had to flee to save his life. It was only after nearly a decade and a half that, even with the combo of Chandragupta's military genius and Chanakya's unrivalled strategic and tactical genius, the two of them were able to prevail.
If the CVs had started showing all those machinations and failures, and the slow progress of the Chandragupta-Chanakya combine, the TRPs would fall below 1 very soon, threatening the show's continued existence! 😉The present TV viewing public lacks the attention span demanded by such long drawn out and painstaking narratives.
Chandraprakash Dwivedi showed all this in meticulous detail in his 1991 Chanakya - the sections on the C&C's handling of Porus and how, while claiming to be stabilising his hold on his former kingdom of Kekeya, they actually took it over bit by bit by winning over the people, were magisterial. In fact most of Chandragupta's army was recruited on the basis of conviction - hostility towards the foreign rulers and their Indian supporters - not thru bribery with looted money.
But that was in 1991 on Doordarshan. Not in 2016 and on Star Plus. So if that was a longhand narrative, this one has to be in shorthand! Still, the detailing shown thus far is impressive by the standards of a commercial show.Rishyasaringa: I am sure that all the certified romantics in this forum would have been on tenterhooks, their breath held in almost unbearable anticipation, as Chandragupta, saddled (pun intended!) with the unenviable task of conveying the unconscious Nandini back to her quarters, rides back with her in front of him, cradled in his arms, her (corkscrew) curls blowing across his face and her body slipping in his grip, forcing him to hold her even tighter. 😉
By the time he carries her to her bed, intending to lay her down and leave, but has to struggle with her recalcitrant necklace that seems intent on holding him back, leading to an extremely close close-up (of their noses, to be precise😉) things must have reached fever point.😆😆
Alas for these dashed expectations of some garama garam romantic action! For our boy wonder is - right from the moment when he stands looking down at Nandini in a resigned, weary fashion, preparatory to lugging her on to his horse, till the very end, when, after finally extricating himself from her necklace and his arm from under her head, he leaves without even bothering to pull the coverlet over her - nothing if not detached.
He brushes her wayward curls off his face, and keeps her from slipping off the horse with unfailing patience, but without the slightest sign of emotion. Even when his face is less than three inches from hers, with her breath mingling with his, there is no sign of his feeling any attraction, even involuntary, towards her, nor the least hint of longing in his eyes.
Real or the Reel?
If at all he feels anything, it is only, as his parting soliloquy reveals, regretful wonder about the vagaries of fate that had forced him to help the daughter of his enemy because she was, at that moment, asahaay, helpless.
As I watched Chandragupta in this sequence, he reminded me of no one so much as Rishyasaringa, a young rishi celebrated for being well above the common run of humanity. So detached from all personal emotions, and so pure of heart was Rishyasaringa that when he entered a desert, the rain instantly came down in torrents and the barren land bloomed anew.
So too - bar the rainmaking power, which would have hardly helped him, leading as it would to a muddy, slippery battlefield!😉 - is our Chandragupta, who is, as of now, immune to all temptations, especially those of the feminine kind, and is worried only about how he is to fulfil his guru's aadesh. His various despairing soliloquies on this all absorbing subject are delightful!
Sorry Shyamala, should his mind voice be so loud in expressing it? Even if he shows just with an expression on his face, we can understand what is in his mind. Can't we?
It looks like the Tamil movies of the 30's and 40's.
Chanakya's child: He is not merely admirably detached, is our Chandragupta, but he is also devious with a capital D. Nowhere is this revealed more clearly than in his handling of the haughty, autocratic Helena. In their 3 scenes together, it is fascinating to watch him manoeuvre himself from the position of a useful minion to that of a confidante, and a pillar of support to her in her darkest hour.
Their first scene is in the same pattern as Chandragupta's encounter with Alexander in his tent, where, as I had discussed in my last post, he manages to catch the attention of the Macedonian, and to secure all that he could have wished for: the chance to get as close as can be managed to Helena, with opportunities ahead for capitalizing on this opening. Here, by sounding like an almost foolishly candid loudmouth, who thus need not be feared in any way, even while reassuring her of his discretion regarding her liaison with Malayaketu, he gains entry into the Greek army, with his goal of learning Greek battle tactics now well within reach.
But it is in the second scene,with a distraught Helena who is hysterical and close to an emotional breakdown, that the true genius of Chanakya's brilliant pupil becomes evident.
The steady, strong protectiveness that he extends to her in her darkest hour, and his concern for her reputation.
His sensible advice: Abhi jitna rona hai ro lijiye, par aaj ke baad, kabhi kisi ko apne aansoon ko na dekhne dijiye.
The perceptive wisdom of what follows: Bahut chand hain jo aapko rota dekhkar royenge, anyataa sab aap par hansenge. Aur dosh aapka nahin hai, dosh prem ka hota hai jo insaan ko durbal bana deta hai. Jeevan mein agar jeetna hai to swayam to prem se kabhi na haarne dein.. Aaj prem ghrina mein parivartit hua hai. Kal usi ghrina ko aap apni shakti banayein, aur uska upayog karein.
He says all this with an absolutely deadpan face, his eyes still and unemotional. He does not offer sympathy or empathy, for that is not what she needs at this moment.
Nor does he try to diminish the social distance between them in the least. He maintains his distance from her even as he helps her climb out of the slough of despond into which she was sinking helplessly.
This last is essential to ensure that once she has recovered her composure, she does not resent the fact that he was a witness to her moment of shameful weakness, and ends up distancing him, and the memory of those moments, from herself, which would have been disastrous for the plans of the 2 Cs.
It was a high wire act, as they would say in the circus, and Chandragupta pulls it off with admirable panache, like a seasoned artist tackling a delicate role. For the truth is, contrary to the facile conclusion by some that he helps Helena out of the sheer goodness of his heart, Chandra does not console her out of sympathy. He sees her emotional breakdown as a golden opportunity to gain her confidence, which is his real goal.
In their third scene together, when she is bitterly remarking Koyi bharose ke laayak nahin hai!, Chandragupta, with admirable presence of mind, seizes the opportunity thus offered him by the forelock, with a low key but rock solid assurance of loyalty.
Kintu main hoon. Yadi aap chahein to aap mujhe apna vishwas paatra samajh sakti hain..Main kabhi aapko dhoka nahin doonga..Maine aapka namak khaya hai, uska rin sada mere sar par rahega..
Here, when he says that he will never betray her, Chandragupta is lying, for that is precisely what he is going to do once he has learnt all that there is to learn about the Unani yuddha shaili. But he is lying in a greater cause, and as Lord Krishna says in the Gita, such a lie is better than a hundred truths.
In this situation, where gaining Helena's total confidence is the key to the success of his guru's plans, Chandragupta cannot afford the luxury of narrow-minded moralizing. I was very glad to see what he was doing and why, and delighted when he pulls it off perfectly.
In fact, he plays Helena like a violin - a Stradivarius for choice!- right thru.👏
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Padmanand: Love without limits: No other term would be adequate to describe what the ruthless Maha Padmanand feels for mera hriday, mera jeevan, mera sammaan, his beloved Nandini. This has been dinned into the viewers from the moment of her birth, but nowhere has this obsessive, all encompassing love been more tellingly depicted than in these episodes.
And it is Arpit Ranka's magisterial performance in his scenes with Nandini here that makes us forget, if only for a brief while, the ugly truth of what Padmanand really is - a heartless, evil tyrant who knows nothing but what he wants, and seizes it without the least qualms of conscience, which is in any case an appendage he is not burdened with.
Instead, we see him only as a father who loves his daughter more than he loves himself. A father who has been made vulnerable by this very love, and the fear that he might not be able to ensure the best possible life for the apple of his eye. A father who does not hesitate, when he realises that his daughter does not want the bridegroom he has chosen for her, to bear the humiliation of having to bend before a weaker man, and break his word to that man by cancelling the marriage decision. A father who openly threatens his would be son in law with total destruction should his daughter be unhappy in this marriage. A father who demands the assurance from his jamaata that he would love Nandini more than her father loves her.
This is, in itself, a huge triumph, and for the actor more than for the CVs.
Despite his rough and tough features, Arpit manages to project such melting tenderness, such anguished protectiveness, such overwhelming and unquestioning love for this daughter of his that I for one could no longer recall the Padmanand who cut a defaulting taxpayer's throat with his own ustari. Oh, not for long, and the evil Magadha Samrat will be back soon enough when Nandini cannot see him, but for now, the impassioned, all encompassing affection of the father carries all before it. Bravo!!👏
Malayaketu: Insane ambition: Malayaketu is a far less complex character than Padmanand, being almost two dimensional, like a cardboard cut out. Nor is the actor playing him such as to be able to go beyond the script and invest his role with shades that the CVs might not have envisaged. So we have a standard issue, cheating philanderer, a brutish thug who slanders and manhandles a woman when she becomes a nuisance.
But more interesting is Malayaketu the opportunist, looking to gain power through the back door. Either by seducing power, as with Helena, whom he sees as a conduit to his securing Alexander's help to conquer Magadha, or by marrying into power, as with Nandini.
The most fascinating part of what one could call his vision is that he too, like Chanakya and Chandragupta, seeks to drive Alexander and his forces out of Bharatvarsha. Of course what he plans to do with this newly liberated Bharatbhoomi is different from what they want. He would enslave Bharatmaata all over again, and end up as a worse version of Padmanand.
If so, how did he get entangled with Helena first?
What escapes me, in all of Malayaketu's drunken babblings about Nand ka Magadh aur Nand ki beti donon meri mutthi mein honge!, was how, given that Nandini is not an only child of her father, but has not one, not two, but fully nine brothers, who would be Padmanand's natural successors on the throne of Magadha, the Yuvaraj of Parvatak hopes to gain control of Magadha for himself. If he imagines that despite Padmanand's overt threat, and his follow up line, Meri baat ko halke se mat lena!, he can ill-treat Nandini and thus blackmail her father into submission, he needs to have his head examined!
It make no sense at all, whence the title of this section.
Helena: A woman scorned: I must confess that I was disappointed in the way Helena behaved, both during the stormy encounter with Malayaketu and afterwards.
And also in the next episode!
I would have expected such a headstrong - for she has been pampered too, both by Alexander and by her father - proud woman like her to react with icy but dignified, private rage, and plans for revenge. I would not have expected her to behave like a fishwife, and end up being physically, verbally and emotionally abused by Malayaketu. What she did is precisely what always makes me angry with such women who, facing deception in love, first react like a vengeful fury, and when that does not work, collapse in tears.
But I must also add that Helena was surprisingly convincing, and she managed the last segment with Chandragupta very well, with seething rage twisting her features as she vows revenge.
Helena is luckier than most such women, in that she has Chandragupta, aka Dushyant, to help her pick up the pieces of her shattered self-esteem and regain a measure of at least outward composure. But her innate tendency to depend on another for succour, and to believe in his assurances - whether those of Malayaketu earlier or of Dushyant now - will persist. She will now switch all her faith from her deceitful lover to this new, unassuming, undemanding tower of strength, and she will use her influence to promote him in Alexander's army as much as she can. Chandragupta ki to chandi lag jaayegi!
It does seem unfair that Helena is now vowing revenge not just against Malayaketu but also against Nandini, who is not in the least at fault in the whole matter. If Helena had told her whom she was going to meet, Nandini would have insisted on turning the marriage proposal down bluntly, even if she could not have told her father the truth about Helena. But then, as President John F. Kennedy once said, Who says that life is fair?
Pot pourri:
-You might be surprised at this, but I enjoyed the kissa paanwale bhooth ka. Especially because of the despairing look on Chandragupta's face as disaster strikes out of the blue and, as he believes, his whole masquerade has been exposed because of a shining plate that is as good as a metal mirror😉. Tun Tun Bhabhi was also priceless.
Me😲 shocked by your take above.
- I was, as I wrote in my last post, highly irritated by the use of Urdu words in a 4th century BC tale, but now I have located the source of most of them: Helena. Of the rest of the characters, the only anachronistic word I can remember them using is shaadi instead of vivah. But these days, they are saying jaldi even in Siya ke Ram!
As for Helena, she speaks almost pure Urdu, which is of course derived from Persian. So, If one can presume so much of logic on the part of the CVs , they could attribute the kind of language she uses to the years she must have spent in Persia before Alexander began moving on towards India.-Why on earth does Dushyant, a servitor of the Macedonian commander, go about with assorted trays of drinks, paan etc. serving the visiting potentates, and constantly exposing himself the risk of being recognized? It is for the servants of the host, Raja Parvatak, to render these kinds of services, not for the servitor of an honoured guest. It is bizarre.
Appaada! It is a puzzle to me also..
-It remains to be seen what would be the precise, practical significance of Padmanand taking off his suraksha kavach, that had changed his fortunes, and fastening it on Nandini's wrist. These soapy scripts being what they are, it has to mean that Padmanand has now made himself vulnerable. Let us see.
You would have seen it yesterday!
OK, folks, I am tired out, and by the time you have waded thru this posts, so will you be! Please do not forget to hit the Like button if you think that is warranted.
See you on Wednesday.
Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di
-The purely political: This is the choicest of single malts, outdoing even the best Glenfiddich ( a prized unblended whisky) in its purity and its fiery taste.
In the show too, this angle is the creme de la creme. The 2Cs make such a great combination and both the actors are sans pareil. (Khushi...look here...look here...i'm incorporating aunty's choice terms😃)The 'Rajkumar Sushim' is fading out from my ears as are the treacherous looks from my eyes. Adi told me that the actor is good. But i thought that i could never see Chanakya in the actor who portrayed Khallatak so convincingly. But how wrong i was.
Feel free to use as many of my choice terms as you like, my pet, only taking care not to overload any one sentence with too many of them!😉
Yes, Manoj Kolhatkar has proved both of us wrong.
And RT...kya kehna. I was also wrong in assuming that he couldn't compete with Jalal in the looks department. ( Anji...are you reading this? For double confirmation) His profile in the horse ride with Nandini held firmly was an image, that can flash upon that inward eye and be the bliss of solitude. Just like Jalal's image during the thunderstorm and during episode 31 and the aarti and the ...okay, i'll limit the list.
I am duly grateful to be spared another 30 drooling refrences!😉
To my mind, Chandragupta's look are purer, if you get what I mean. Jalal was flamboyantly handsome (when he was not crying or scrunching his nose up like a misshapen potato). Chandragupta, with the sharp planes of the cheek and the chin, the straight patrician nose, and the deep set eyes, mostly looks like a piece of Greek statuary. In the swayamvar scene, he looked spectacular. Why, even now, with that inverted soup pot on his head, he manages not to look ridiculous, a major achievement!😉
To wit, the duo of Chandragupta and Chanakya, with their unflagging zeal and their commitment to their mathrubhoomi, and their logical, daring yojana for ousting both the videshis and the desi villain, Padmanand, and seizing the throne of Magadha for Chandragupta. Zeal, and a ferocious loyalty to their cause, unsullied by any personal feelings of the debilitating kind.
These two define ambition and resourcefulness combined. They have an unspoken understanding that they implement anytime. Outwitting the Greek soldiers was a very good example. More action than words! Hope this quality of Chandra is retained to the end unlike Jalal's diplomacy which vamoosed after 100 episodes.
Let us not spoil our enjoyment of the present by worrying about the future, my dear.
-The purely personal: This is Padmanand and his fierce love for his daughter Nandini. This love governs all that he does, and the vulnerability that is the inevitable concomitant of love clouds his judgement, especially as regards Malayaketu, so that he does not even recognize his own kind of philanderer who can respect no woman.
Padmanand is shaken by the recent apharan of Nandini and Avantika's and Mura's pronouncements that Nandini is going to pay for his evil. Probably that is why he rushes to give her an added security, and a whipboy in case something untoward does happen to her. He certainly has reached the break point of worry for his daughter worried if she will suffer for his sins. So he sees nothing beyond a strong kingdom.
The two Cs: The Chandragupta-Chanakya scenes were, this time, more businesslike than soaring to lofty heights of idealism.
The duo are extremely methodical, with some secret, reliable means of communication for setting up their rendezvous, and fallback plans for coping with unexpected dangers, as from the spying mercenary soldiers, and disposing of them with ruthless efficiency. This, I now realized,was why Chanakya was shown doubling up as Chandra's fencing master, for he needs to know how to cut throats in an emergency!😉
In the Gurukul system, the Acharya taught everything, from warfare to economy to morals to languages. Dronacharya did. But Takshashila is supposedto be a University. Were students assigned to single teachers?🤔
I think what they showed was Acharya Chanakya's gurukul, not the main Takshashila University.
Their systematic reporting and assessing system is also admirable.
Chandragupta's body language, eyes lowered as usual in respect most of the time and hands crossed in front, is perfect, as is the implicit obedience in his Ji, Acharya! But he is now surer of himself, and does not hesitate, after having provided the situation brief on Alexander's troops, to speak up in favour of an immediate attack when the Macedonian's troop strength is at its lowest. That he is, here as earlier, more rash and enthusiastic than wise - which is but natural in one so young, a mere fledgling - is made clear to him at once by Chanakya, and he assimilates the new tasks assigned to him, to be performed simultaneously, with silent acceptance.
Their scenes together are a treat to watch.👏
But that was in 1991 on Doordarshan. Not in 2016 and on Star Plus. So if that was a longhand narrative, this one has to be in shorthand! Still, the detailing shown thus far is impressive by the standards of a commercial show.
True.😕
Rishyasaringa: I am sure that all the certified romantics in this forum would have been on tenterhooks, their breath held in almost unbearable anticipation, as Chandragupta, saddled (pun intended!) with the unenviable task of conveying the unconscious Nandini back to her quarters, rides back with her in front of him, cradled in his arms, her (corkscrew) curls blowing across his face and her body slipping in his grip, forcing him to hold her even tighter. 😉
By the time he carries her to her bed, intending to lay her down and leave, but has to struggle with her recalcitrant necklace that seems intent on holding him back, leading to an extremely close close-up (of their noses, to be precise😉) things must have reached fever point.😆😆
I couldn't help imagining how Jalal would have reacted in a similar situation ( With his famous smirks for sure). Kudos to RT for bringing such different hues and touches he gives to the different characters he portrays. 👏
This Chandragupta is a totally new character. One does not even think of Jalal while watching him.
As I watched Chandragupta in this sequence, he reminded me of no one so much as Rishyasaringa, a young rishi celebrated for being well above the common run of humanity. So detached from all personal emotions, and so pure of heart was Rishyasaringa that when he entered a desert, the rain instantly came down in torrents and the barren land bloomed anew.
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Chanakya's child: He is not merely admirably detached, is our Chandragupta, but he is also devious with a capital D. Nowhere is this revealed more clearly than in his handling of the haughty, autocratic Helena. In their 3 scenes together, it is fascinating to watch him manoeuvre himself from the position of a useful minion to that of a confidante, and a pillar of support to her in her darkest hour.
This was the highlight of the week's proceeds.
But it is in the second scene,with a distraught Helena who is hysterical and close to an emotional breakdown, that the true genius of Chanakya's brilliant pupil becomes evident.
The steady, strong protectiveness that he extends to her in her darkest hour, and his concern for her reputation.
Yesss.
The perceptive wisdom of what follows: Bahut chand hain jo aapko rota dekhkar royenge, anyataa sab aap par hansenge. Aur dosh aapka nahin hai, dosh prem ka hota hai jo insaan ko durbal bana deta hai. Jeevan mein agar jeetna hai to swayam to prem se kabhi na haarne dein.. Aaj prem ghrina mein parivartit hua hai. Kal usi ghrina ko aap apni shakti banayein, aur uska upayog karein.
He says all this with an absolutely deadpan face, his eyes still and unemotional. He does not offer sympathy or empathy, for that is not what she needs at this moment.
Exactly. So well defined.👏
Nor does he try to diminish the social distance between them in the least. He maintains his distance from her even as he helps her climb out of the slough of despond into which she was sinking helplessly.
This last is essential to ensure that once she has recovered her composure, she does not resent the fact that he was a witness to her moment of shameful weakness, and ends up distancing him, and the memory of those moments, from herself, which would have been disastrous for the plans of the 2 Cs.
How perceptive! True. Had he tried to take one step further, he might have lost his goal. He is very careful in his tightrope walk. He was distant understanding and assuring. Exactly what a proud girl like her needs.
I am so pleased that you at least understood the cardinal importance of this psychological astuteness on Chandragupta's part.
It was a high wire act, as they would say in the circus, and Chandragupta pulls it off with admirable panache, like a seasoned artist tackling a delicate role. For the truth is, contrary to the facile conclusion by some that he helps Helena out of the sheer goodness of his heart, Chandra does not console her out of sympathy. He sees her emotional breakdown as a golden opportunity to gain her confidence, which is his real goal.
Doesn't that make interesting material instead of the standard issue dhudh ka dhula hero types.
In their third scene together, when she is bitterly remarking Koyi bharose ke laayak nahin hai!, Chandragupta, with admirable presence of mind, seizes the opportunity thus offered him by the forelock, with a low key but rock solid assurance of loyalty.
Kintu main hoon. Yadi aap chahein to aap mujhe apna vishwas paatra samajh sakti hain..Main kabhi aapko dhoka nahin doonga..Maine aapka namak khaya hai, uska rin sada mere sar par rahega..
Hrre too he cites his loyalty to have sprung from his namak ka udhaar, that would assure her superiority in rank and keep her pride intact.
Yes, you are spot on here.
Padmanand: Love without limits: No other term would be adequate to describe what the ruthless Maha Padmanand feels for mera hriday, mera jeevan, mera sammaan, his beloved Nandini. This has been dinned into the viewers from the moment of her birth, but nowhere has this obsessive, all encompassing love been more tellingly depicted than in these episodes.
And it is Arpit Ranka's magisterial performance in his scenes with Nandini here that makes us forget, if only for a brief while, the ugly truth of what Padmanand really is - a heartless, evil tyrant who knows nothing but what he wants, and seizes it without the least qualms of conscience, which is in any case an appendage he is not burdened with.
Instead, we see him only as a father who loves his daughter more than he loves himself. A father who has been made vulnerable by this very love, and the fear that he might not be able to ensure the best possible life for the apple of his eye. A father who does not hesitate, when he realises that his daughter does not want the bridegroom he has chosen for her, to bear the humiliation of having to bend before a weaker man, and break his word to that man by cancelling the marriage decision. A father who openly threatens his would be son in law with total destruction should his daughter be unhappy in this marriage. A father who demands the assurance from his jamaata that he would love Nandini more than her father loves her.
This is, in itself, a huge triumph, and for the actor more than for the CVs.
Agree completely. Arpit is convincing both as the ruthless truant and the doting dad.
Tyrant, child.
What escapes me, in all of Malayaketu's drunken babblings about Nand ka Magadh aur Nand ki beti donon meri mutthi mein honge!, was how, given that Nandini is not an only child of her father, but has not one, not two, but fully nine brothers, who would be Padmanand's natural successors on the throne of Magadha, the Yuvaraj of Parvatak hopes to gain control of Magadha for himself. If he imagines that despite Padmanand's overt threat, and his follow up line, Meri baat ko halke se mat lena!, he can ill-treat Nandini and thus blackmail her father into submission, he needs to have his head examined!
It make no sense at all, whence the title of this section.
Maybe he thinks he can pull off a Sharifuddin.
With Padmanand? He is nuts!
But I must also add that Helena was surprisingly convincing, and she managed the last segment with Chandragupta very well, with seething rage twisting her features as she vows revenge.
Helena is luckier than most such women, in that she has Chandragupta, aka Dushyant, to help her pick up the pieces of her shattered self-esteem and regain a measure of at least outward composure. But her innate tendency to depend on another for succour, and to believe in his assurances - whether those of Malayaketu earlier or of Dushyant now - will persist. She will now switch all her faith from her deceitful lover to this new, unassuming, undemanding tower of strength, and she will use her influence to promote him in Alexander's army as much as she can. Chandragupta ki to chandi lag jaayegi!
And what will she do when she learns that Dushyant has tricked her as well.
I think he will explain it all to her, just as he does about his plans last night, and she will accept it. He will marry her, when the time comes, in part so that she can take her revenge on Malayaketu.
Pot pourri:
-You might be surprised at this, but I enjoyed the kissa paanwale bhooth ka. Especially because of the despairing look on Chandragupta's face as disaster strikes out of the blue and, as he believes, his whole masquerade has been exposed because of a shining plate that is as good as a metal mirror😉. Tun Tun Bhabhi was also priceless.
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A
Jejune????😲😲😲