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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: vanitha3d

good post , agree with each n every word you said...I think CV's whant to show Sushim as Hero and Ashoka as Zero for a change in History. This is Colors naya soach 😉


Thanks Vanita. Like I wrote in reply to Sandhya - don't make Sushim jet black that watching him becomes torture and then show him winning!



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ddsoaps

I do understand how you feel after seeing yesterday's episode. I was saddened too.

But the way I see it is that all these deceits and failures is what led to the making and shaping of Ashok as a ruthless Warrior. His trust lost, his mother's wisdom and teachings did not bring him victory. But they are etched deep in him that come to the fore after the Kalinga war.

I absolutely love the shaping of Ashok's character. There is a streak of ruthlessness in him which he keeps in check every time he recollects his mother's teachings. Self control over his rage is seen several times. And that does not make him weak in front of his opponent.

The real battle hasn't even begun. His main adversaries are the stepmoms, grandmother, uncle, and outside enemies like Selucus & Rajaji. How is Ashok supposed to learn about deceit and cheating if he does not encounter in early in his life at the hands of Sushim? All of these lessons will only make him stronger, sharper and they are the best lessons learnt for larger and bigger battles.


I guess as they say...picture abhi baaki hai dost!


dd


Absolutely wonderful post. You have written it so logically - I have to agree to everything.

Especially loved what you wrote about Ashoka's character. Bang on.

However, even with agreeing with you - I do wish they don't make it too negative. Had bitter JA experience - should not make us hate any character so much that watching becomes torture. Sushim winning taught Ashoka about treachery but ended up making the competition total farce and the Acharyas silly.

If Ashoka is not turned total snow white goody two shoes - fine with me!
I like your description of Ashoka. I loved the Ashoka who got Sushim whipped without breaking promise made to Dharma.

Hope the baki picture is enjoyable, not causing misery!


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Well put MaddyO and other friends. Somehow I ran into the serial Chanakya in Youtube - I think it is older - and it seems to be more enjoyable to me than either JA or CAS.


Bang on. Exactly put what I wasn't able to put in right words. The older serials were so well written. Conflict without obsessing about vamps villains. Not too negative just entertaining.
Did we come to hate any one character so much that watching became torture?!

You used to watch JA, know how much I loved Jodha Jalal but left watching not because I stopped loving them but came to hate Ruk more.
I could not handle the horrible negativity.

Wish they don't turn Ashoka too negative.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I can sympathize with how some people feel that good cannot always win, there is a struggle and we all know that the bad wins many skirmishes along the way.
However, what makes the story unbelievable, unwatchable is when it seems the bad gys are only smart people left, everyone else is between dumb and dumber.

Just like Ruq in JA, here Sushim is plotting and executing his plots day and night, but the entire palace and officialdom never get a clue. This dilutes the character of Bindusar, Ashok, Chanakya, Dharma, the ministers, the teachers at the royal school, all of them.

At the root of all this lies the low opinion the CVs have of us, the audience. In their opinion we have no brains and will believe anything. If you are lucky enough to be completely out of touch with JA, let me bring you up to date: These days the writers are trying to out-Khyber one another. An occasionally-Bengali-speaking sorcerer has emerged out of a dense dangerous forest that Mughal army was afraid to enter, planted herself right in the Mughal palace as a guest, and along with her mother is engaged in sorcery tricks to win Ja away from Jo. Obviously, nobody in Agra has a clue. Just fantastic.

I don't want to go into deeper social and national issues here, but this is a small example of the disdain India and Indians are well-know to have for history. What will happen to us if this is how we treat history, the only "laboratory" a society or a nation has? Did the Europeans treat Alexander's and Caesar's memories in this manner? We all understand the need for spicing the meal, but the meal cannot consist of nothing but bowlfuls of spices.

Back to CAS, is it not insulting everyone's intelligence to show Dharma wandering around everywhere, with not even half an attempt at any kind of disguise, and never being recognized? After she had held a most prominent position in the palace as King's personal physician?

When was the last time you heard Radhagupta (Chanakya's disciple) say or do anything substantial or smart? He is the chief disciple of the greatest and sharpest intellect in the land, but confused half-smiles are all we see out of him.

So it goes. In this version of life, today's viewers are all blanks, Indian civilization as well others were big blanks, including the great Mauryan empire along with its royalty and citizenry. Nobody cares about good or bad, at least not enough to notice or do anything.
Let's also pause to appreciate the power of thoughts and self-suggestion: after centuries of tolerating, encouraging, and holding this "JA" or Arabian Nights view of our history and ourselves, have we not become just like that?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA

I can sympathize with how some people feel that good cannot always win, there is a struggle and we all know that the bad wins many skirmishes along the way.

However, what makes the story unbelievable, unwatchable is when it seems the bad gys are only smart people left, everyone else is between dumb and dumber.

Just like Ruq in JA, here Sushim is plotting and executing his plots day and night, but the entire palace and officialdom never get a clue. This dilutes the character of Bindusar, Ashok, Chanakya, Dharma, the ministers, the teachers at the royal school, all of them.

At the root of all this lies the low opinion the CVs have of us, the audience. In their opinion we have no brains and will believe anything. If you are lucky enough to be completely out of touch with JA, let me bring you up to date: These days the writers are trying to out-Khyber one another. An occasionally-Bengali-speaking sorcerer has emerged out of a dense dangerous forest that Mughal army was afraid to enter, planted herself right in the Mughal palace as a guest, and along with her mother is engaged in sorcery tricks to win Ja away from Jo. Obviously, nobody in Agra has a clue. Just fantastic.

I don't want to go into deeper social and national issues here, but this is a small example of the disdain India and Indians are well-know to have for history. What will happen to us if this is how we treat history, the only "laboratory" a society or a nation has? Did the Europeans treat Alexander's and Caesar's memories in this manner? We all understand the need for spicing the meal, but the meal cannot consist of nothing but bowlfuls of spices.

Back to CAS, is it not insulting everyone's intelligence to show Dharma wandering around everywhere, with not even half an attempt at any kind of disguise, and never being recognized? After she had held a most prominent position in the palace as King's personal physician?

When was the last time you heard Radhagupta (Chanakya's disciple) say or do anything substantial or smart? He is the chief disciple of the greatest and sharpest intellect in the land, but confused half-smiles are all we see out of him.

So it goes. In this version of life, today's viewers are all blanks, Indian civilization as well others were big blanks, including the great Mauryan empire along with its royalty and citizenry. Nobody cares about good or bad, at least not enough to notice or do anything.
Let's also pause to appreciate the power of thoughts and self-suggestion: after centuries of tolerating, encouraging, and holding this "JA" or Arabian Nights view of our history and ourselves, have we not become just like that?

However else we like to believe, the raw truth in life is that bad does win battles, but loses the war. Sushim's treachery is not totally unbelievable.

In our shows, neither the good nor the bad are smart.

As far as JA is concerned, THIS JAlal supposed to be Akbar the Great, became a blinking idiot right when he sat clueless as how to hold his verdict in the Tasneem case. A dancer from his enemy's harem could smuggle a trunk full of snakes right into the royal palace and slither her way around. Our Emperor lies like a roadside corpse to win his lady. He can be harangued and caught by a trick by his sis that not even a child would believe. Then beaten black and blue by someone who in reality wouldn't have had the spine to do anything he did on screen. We had the Khyber safari where the Empress Queen during her pregnancy could simply be carried off. Not that the evil are any smarter. The First Consort dares to fake her pregnancy with NO plan as how to handle it later. The entire show is now reduced to a comical farce, with no semblance to the real royalties whose names the characters bear.

Out here, Sushim's cheating is not too hard to believe, the kind of rogue he is. Yes. Shubadrangi's roaming around in the palace without being recognised by anyone who had seen her earlier as the King's physician is unbelievable. But it is nothing compared to the tall stories JA has spun. Kam se sam the basic qualities of the principal characters are not compromised. (So far atleast...)
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA

I can sympathize with how some people feel that good cannot always win, there is a struggle and we all know that the bad wins many skirmishes along the way.

However, what makes the story unbelievable, unwatchable is when it seems the bad gys are only smart people left, everyone else is between dumb and dumber.

Just like Ruq in JA, here Sushim is plotting and executing his plots day and night, but the entire palace and officialdom never get a clue. This dilutes the character of Bindusar, Ashok, Chanakya, Dharma, the ministers, the teachers at the royal school, all of them.

At the root of all this lies the low opinion the CVs have of us, the audience. In their opinion we have no brains and will believe anything. If you are lucky enough to be completely out of touch with JA, let me bring you up to date: These days the writers are trying to out-Khyber one another. An occasionally-Bengali-speaking sorcerer has emerged out of a dense dangerous forest that Mughal army was afraid to enter, planted herself right in the Mughal palace as a guest, and along with her mother is engaged in sorcery tricks to win Ja away from Jo. Obviously, nobody in Agra has a clue. Just fantastic.

I don't want to go into deeper social and national issues here, but this is a small example of the disdain India and Indians are well-know to have for history. What will happen to us if this is how we treat history, the only "laboratory" a society or a nation has? Did the Europeans treat Alexander's and Caesar's memories in this manner? We all understand the need for spicing the meal, but the meal cannot consist of nothing but bowlfuls of spices.

Back to CAS, is it not insulting everyone's intelligence to show Dharma wandering around everywhere, with not even half an attempt at any kind of disguise, and never being recognized? After she had held a most prominent position in the palace as King's personal physician?

When was the last time you heard Radhagupta (Chanakya's disciple) say or do anything substantial or smart? He is the chief disciple of the greatest and sharpest intellect in the land, but confused half-smiles are all we see out of him.

So it goes. In this version of life, today's viewers are all blanks, Indian civilization as well others were big blanks, including the great Mauryan empire along with its royalty and citizenry. Nobody cares about good or bad, at least not enough to notice or do anything.
Let's also pause to appreciate the power of thoughts and self-suggestion: after centuries of tolerating, encouraging, and holding this "JA" or Arabian Nights view of our history and ourselves, have we not become just like that?



Absolutely wonderfully written. 👏 Agree totally, especially the lines in bold.

CVs certainly think poorly of the viewers or rather don't care. It is as if viewers have to watch leaving all logic behind.

I can't say I felt JA CVs accorded much respect to the fact they are writing about hugely respected characters after centuries, writing about royalty. There is a limit to NR. Just because there is nobody to take up on these characters does not give them liberty to drag them to soap sas bahu levels.

Thankfully I have left JA long back, I could not watch after HH tracks. The episode where Ruk poured soil on her head left me with such disgust I decided enough.

I would really absolutely hate if Ashoka goes the same negative way. Thankfully today's episode was good, put Sushim in his place. Like you said - spices should be there to enhance the taste of food not a plateful of just spices turning taste bitter. Sushim after the daanav track is beyond redemption. Hope other characters are not turned into something similar.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Thankfully today's episode was good, put Sushim in his place...


Have to agree. In an ironic timing just after our critiques, which I do believe to be justified, today's episode was superb.

Four stars out of five.

I would withhold one star because, while Sushim was undone by his temper and ill-manners, his evil acts remain hidden.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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I do disagree with u.Though its unauthentic but its entertaining...

If a real saga is turned in a daily soap, then twisting and turning of stories is must to make is watch-worthy.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA


Have to agree. In an ironic timing just after our critiques, which I do believe to be justified, today's episode was superb.

Four stars out of five.

I would withhold one star because, while Sushim was undone by his temper and ill-manners, his evil acts remain hidden.



Yes last two episodes were good. However, I think absolutely justified if we point out if things start getting too negative. I think it shows interest and impact of serial on viewers. If viewers start getting indifferent, I am sure pH will worry! 😆

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: mustafa786

I do disagree with u.Though its unauthentic but its entertaining...

If a real saga is turned in a daily soap, then twisting and turning of stories is must to make is watch-worthy.



Hi Mustafa, thanks for your post. I am genuinely happy that you are enjoying watching Ashoka.

I am curious have you watched any other historical serials before? Cos I think there are many here who used to watch JA, were big fans and absolutely hated the negative turn it took. I guess maybe we are worried Ashoka should not go the same way.

Maybe I have got overdose of that serial negativity so Ashoka is affecting me more.

I agree with you NR have to be done for making watch worthy. However it should also be entertaining without glorifying negativity. When characters are turned snow white or totally black then it becomes irritating. CVS here have turned Sushim so annoying viewers felt aggrieved after seeing him win.

I guess just hoping Ashoka remains entertaining and positive.
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