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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: zarmeeno

People keep on saying that true love never fails. True love does fail when one does not trust the person he/she loves.I believe when u love someone u should learn to trust that person aur uskay bharoosay pay bahroosa aana chahiye. What can be the biggest failue than that. Love is always tested in hard times. And when person fails in that test there is the failure of love. Trust is the biggest thing in any relationship. And if there is no trust in a relationship then that love can also become suffocating. I totally agree with the topic starter. When Sid heard the news that Nivi father tried to commit sucide he then again blame Keshave for cheating on Soods. So what kind of lovely life was he trying to promise Nivideta. And honestly if she does go for him in the end, I would not be repecting her character anymore coz for me my family especially my parents are the most important people in my life and if the guy does not or cannot respect my family and cannot protect their respect then to hell with him.

i know u are absolutely right in saying this! when u put it this way i feel Sid should never be forgiven!!but repentance and forgiveness do exist!! and Nivi is such a good person ! Indeed Sid will have to do alot of sacrifices now or put everything at stake!! but they have always shown him to go to any extent to get what he wants!! this time too he might do something really drastic to make it justifiable for their reunion!Ultimately the entire SOOd khandaan might bow down to Keshav sharma and his family and ask forgiveness and Sid would make all this happen! Jawahar might even go to Jail!!!
See in real life definitely things might become different!! here there was afailure of true love! i even mentiones that there might be no love at all between SId andNivi but their true love story will begin with Sids repentance!!
See here the creatives also have to consider the Sanctity of relationships!!Sid and NIvi were almost married!! they thought they were husband and wife!!And now to see them with their own cousins is definitely immoral!!! if she meets someone else then may be yes!!! but this love story has to end some way!! please tell me how!!u are so firm in believing that there is no second chance for this love!! please do tell me what could be the ideal ending to this lovestory!!
This topic is really lovely and demands alot of thinking and a stable mature mind which i really feel i might lack!!so please clarify my doubts!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sinchan

You are absolutely right in saying this!! when u put it this way i feel what ever u are saying is worth thinking and SId is such a Jerk!! but dont u feel repenting and trying ones best to undo thr wrong things deserves forgiveness!!He has been very blind and deaf but once realises and restore Nivis and her familys honor by sacrificing evrything and putting everithing at stake!! even then do u feel he doesnt deserve any chance at all!!
What if he makes the entire Sood parivaar to bow down and ask Keshavs forgiveness! They are going to make Sid do something very drastic so that Nivi forgives him!! becoz there is no other logical end to this love story!!OR may be she has to meet someone other than Sood!!1
Iknow in real life it is different and we might never forgive but this is aserial so they might do something ljustifiable for sid and nivi to reunite!!
The sanctity of relationships have also to be considered here!! cousins pairing up with eacothers loved ones or what ever will start questions on moral reponsibility of the creatives!! Nivi was almost married to SId !they thought they were nearly husband and wife and things went really berserk and horribly wrong but can we really see her romancing the younger brother!! Her forgiving him is definitely not wht i am looking forward!! i want to see Why she might ultimately do it!! what could melt her anger against her love and to what extent Sid might go now to show her his repentance!! i know this is avery confusing but alovely topicand demands alot of thinking and aconsistent stable mind which i seem not to have at times!!!😕😕

Sinchan Honestly I would have said the same thing if Sid at least would have tried to balance out like if he would have just told his dadi that please dont say anything i will try to find out I would have said the same thing. But Nivi kept on looking at him with expectations to say something and he did not and when Nivi tried he insulted not only her but her dadi and dad and asked them to get out and when Jawahar pushed keshav he again did not say anything. I'm sorry but i do take situation a little bit seriously. I know it is a serial but I always put myself in that person positions and then think and then comment. i would not and cannot forgive any person no matter how much I love him if he insults my family. And as I said that again when he got the news that Keshav tried to commit sucide again he blamed him. Sach jaan kay sorry maanaga tu kiya hua. Insult tu kar di na. Trust ka matlab hi hota hai kay jab sach samnay na ho aur phir bhi aap ko doosray insaan pay bahroosa ho. Aur agar ek aur scene jo sab miss kar rahain hain that he did paid attention what jawahar, chanchal and his dadi told him but he did not pay attention to what his mom was saying and then again that his dada was really stressed thinking that both families r not together, he did not pay attention that his dada got upset with his dadi for continuously saying things against Sharma family and that is the time that he got the heart attack. Khushi mein tu sab khush bhi rakhtay hain aur saath bhi deitay hain Insaan ki asli pechaan karay/mushkil waqtoon mein hoti hai. Aur yaar kaisa love kay jab mushkil waqt aya tu saath hee chor diya. Is that love for u guys?

Sinchan can I ask u a question if anybody murders somebody should a second chance be given to that person for repentance or should that person be punished. For me insulting somebody is like a murder. kiyon ke aglay ki izzat ki dhanchiyaan urra do aur baat mein sorry kar do.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: zarmeeno

Sinchan Honestly I would have said the same thing if Sid at least would have tried to balance out like if he would have just told his dadi that please dont say anything i will try to find out I would have said the same thing. But Nivi kept on looking at him with expectations to say something and he did not and when Nivi tried he insulted not only her but her dadi and dad and asked them to get out and when Jawahar pushed keshav he again did not say anything. I'm sorry but i do take situation a little bit seriously. I know it is a serial but I always put myself in that person positions and then think and then comment. i would not and cannot forgive any person no matter how much I love him if he insults my family. And as I said that again when he got the news that Keshav tried to commit sucide again he blamed him. Sach jaan kay sorry maanaga tu kiya hua. Insult tu kar di na. Trust ka matlab hi hota hai kay jab sach samnay na ho aur phir bhi aap ko doosray insaan pay bahroosa ho. Aur agar ek aur scene jo sab miss kar rahain hain that he did paid attention what jawahar, chanchal and his dadi told him but he did not pay attention to what his mom was saying and then again that his dada was really stressed thinking that both families r not together, he did not pay attention that his dada got upset with his dadi for continuously saying things against Sharma family and that is the time that he got the heart attack. Khushi mein tu sab khush bhi rakhtay hain aur saath bhi deitay hain Insaan ki asli pechaan karay/mushkil waqtoon mein hoti hai. Aur yaar kaisa love kay jab mushkil waqt aya tu saath hee chor diya. Is that love for u guys?

Sinchan can I ask u a question if anybody murders somebody should a second chance be given to that person for repentance or should that person be punished. For me insulting somebody is like a murder. kiyon ke aglay ki izzat ki dhanchiyaan urra do aur baat mein sorry kar do.

Really well said!! u are right!! See Divya in one of the scenes said the same thing!! she said u murder some one and then say sorry to vapis zinda tho nahi hoga naa?!!! But this is Nivi we are talking about not u and me .Now i know Zarmeeno will never forgive!! and Sinchan too might never forgive!! But its Nivi here we are talking about!! her character is such that she might resist alot but eventually will forgive SId but whether she will marry him?!!! is the biggest question !!! thats where lies the ending of the love story and i am just hoping to find some answers from people like u who have such strong wills and determination!!God bless!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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AT THE END IT WILL BE

NEHAABHI
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sinchan

Really well said!! u are right!! See Divya in one of the scenes said the same thing!! she said u murder some one and then say sorry to vapis zinda tho nahi hoga naa?!!! But this is Nivi we are talking about not u and me .Now i know Zarmeeno will never forgive!! and Sinchan too might never forgive!! But its Nivi here we are talking about!! her character is such that she might resist alot but eventually will forgive SId but whether she will marry him?!!! is the biggest question !!! thats where lies the ending of the love story and i am just hoping to find some answers from people like u who have such strong wills and determination!!God bless!!

Nivi character does represent u and me. The statement above is just my opinion who ends up together is totally on CTs. And I said that if Nivi does forgive Sid I will not respect her character anymore. people r talking about unique love story. Can any1 tell me a single soap that is a unique love story. Everybody claims it to be different but it's the same, misunderstandings, sacrifices from the leads and then the leads being shown mahaan and thus forgive. It is the way u write and represent story that makes it different. As i keep on saying one more thing that biggest twist in the story is sometimes that nothing happens and everything goes smoothly. Finding out truth is not difficult. Sab say apnay bachoon kay sar pay haath rakh kay kasam khawa lo sab sach hee bolain gay coz no matter what happens everybody loves their kids.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Sinchan and Zarmeenoo : Awesome post girls !!! *hugs* I'll be honest, I was thinking about not posting in this forum anymore, but when I read posts and discussions like these, I can't resist !!

Zarmeeno, loved what you said and I agree with you totally !!! Sinchan, you look a little confused to me, so will try and make you understand through good examples and scene references ! Zarmeeno have already said most of what I wanted to say, so will add few more of my points !!!

I have never questioned NivArth's love, it was very real and true, because character's like Nivi fall in love, it is very much real. My question was are they meant to be together ? My answer is, no they are not, because both CT's & God have proved time and time again, that they are not destined to be together !! Had they meant to be together and made for each other, God and CT's both would have let them secretly get married !!! They didn't !! They were alone that night, with no one to stop them, so God intervened and didn't allow them to marry secretly, so they almost got married, emphasis on almost, they didn't get married, if they had, then it would have been morally wrong !!

Now a lot of you are saying that NivArth's love was very young and premature and had they gotten time together, they would have been able to face it together. I don't believe that, because true love doesn't need time to strength and mature, because foundation of true love is always trust, understanding and most of all faith. Like Vandana and Naintara have both said, one doesn't need to see or ask about the truth to know it, because when you have faith, then you don't need to know the truth !! We all have seen the very famous movie, 'Main Ne Pyar Kiya'. Right now the NivArth's track is walking along the same lines as Prem & Suman. They too were friends, who fell in love and then their love was tested !! Prem too like Sid, was sent away, and in his absence Suman and her dad was insulted and thrown out of the house !! But when Prem got back, and heard what happened, he had faith in his love and in Suman and her dad, so he went against his family and left the house !! So if the CT's wanted NivArth together, they would have shown Sid to be like his dad and Prem, and would have shown him fight against his family and standing up for Nivi and Keshav. Sadly he didn't !! Even Prem and Suman's love was very young and premature, but it didn't need time or proof to believe in what is right !! It is not as if Sid doesn't know Keshav, he has known him since childhood, so how could he believe and let his family treat Keshav and Nivi this way without any proofs ?? Fine he was in shock, but what about later ? Why didn't he understand why his Dada Sahib or his mom are so unhappy with these accusations ! Why didn't he question himself as to why after knowing the truth all these years, his Dada Sahib and mom chose to come back to Shimla and to shower so much love and care on Sharma's ? Why did it take his mom to convince him that what you always see is the truth and what your heart says is never wrong ? And even after Vandana saying such a huge thing, and to find out that Keshav is innocent about what happened in the factory, why did Sid need to go to Nivi and ask for the truth ? Wasn't his mom's conviction in Keshav's innocence enough for him ? Confronting Nivi tonight is going to be another strike against him, whereas Nivi is concerned !! That is why I feel that even though the treatment of their story earlier was like Main Ne Pyar Kiya, their story doesn't have the soul of Prem and Suman's love unfortunately !

Had Sid stood up for Keshav and Nivi that day, Putal would have never died and Nivedita would never have born !! But she did, and Sid can never relate to Nivedita !! Because he fell in love with the very shy and timid girl, who was always very soft spoken !! This Nivedita, he doesnt not understand, that is why a simple question to Dada Sahib, looked to him as if she misbehaved with his Dada Sahib !! Putal would never return, and this Nivedita is here to stay !! This Nivedita will become the pillar of her family and all the problems and hardships she will face, will make her a women of substance !! Nivi will ultimately forgive Sid, because she is not the sort to hold a grudge against anyone, especially against the guy she loves and is her best friend, but she will never be able to forget it either, because like I have said their earlier, trust is like a mirror, once it breaks, it can be fixed, but the cracks would always remain !! It would be impossible for Nivi to get back together with Sid now because she will be never able to trust him again. Even if he repents, apologizes, search for the truth, and even restore her family's honor, she would forgive him, she would also appreciate it, but if I have understood her character sketch right, she will never be able to marry him, because she will never be able to trust him again and also Because among all this drama, everyone may over look Divya and the fact that he is now engaged to her, but Nivi won't !! If she was ready to sacrifice her love for Divya before when none of this happened, do you really think, she will agree to marry him knowing, that he would be breaking of his engagement to Divya in order to marry her ??

Millions of girls face these kind of problems and situations, but only a true women makes the right decision, which is right not only for her, but for all the others involved too, and come out as a winner !! If she accepts Sid now, then there is no difference between her and Divya, who would put her her happiness before her family's for the guy she loves. I'm not saying she is wrong, but that makes her a very typical girl of today, whereas they have to show Nivi as a woman of substance !! And you don't become a woman of substance, without making any sacrifices and standing up for what is right !!



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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vrushalini

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I understand your logical thinking behind sid nivi to be together....Yeah...there are actually going to see more than one reason for sid nivi should be together...and again they have shown it's sid's dadaji's true last wish was sid nivi's marriage which has been manipulated by chanchal...now this is something which is extreme....dadaji is like a father for her...how can anyone, however cruel that person might be, play games with the man who is really dying!! It's horrible!!
Dadaji ki wish ki bhi koi value nahi....nivi's dadi too wants the same thing to happen...she is not angry with dadasaheb, she is simply upset with the decision he made on that day...and she justified dadaji's decision in front of nivi that "galat samay par liye hue faisle sahi kaise ho sakte hai"
At least for these two respectable persons in this show....they should be keeping nivi sid...
Anyways...we can only discuss here..the show will go by the way creatives has decided!!

@vrushalini, the posts here are so deep n thought provoking that I really cant decide how much n where to reply ...one thing that came to my mind, esp after friday's episode...how much more wicked can Chanchal get?? I thot manipulating ppl using a dying family member's wish was the heights!! But she's just not stopping!! the way she taunted Nivi in the hospital bill counter was just too much!! Good that Nivi gave her back , but that was less is what i feel!! And after all the insults that Chanchal has heaped upon Nivi, I wud not want a sweet gal like Nivi to have Chanchal as her Mother-in-law!! Coz as it is Nivi didnt know a mother's love till date, but wanted her to atleast get some of that from her future MIL, if ever she marries!! And a wicked person like Chanchal, however much she might change in future, can never be a loving mother!!! At least thank God that she was not around behind Sid like before when he was talking to Lalji on the phone n getting to some truth abt Keshav!! After loosing all hopes on Sid, yesday's was one small ray of hope that in the middle of all this confusion, Sid has atleast managed to put Lalji on the task of finding the truth!! Hoping Sid will soon find out how wicked some of the ppl he trusted most like his Daadi, Chacha n Chachi r behind ruining his life...n hope CCBm comes back with some positivity n good winning over evil ! Hope Chanchal does not find out that Sid is digging for the truth!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: supria

@vrushalini, the posts here are so deep n thought provoking that I really cant decide how much n where to reply ...one thing that came to my mind, esp after friday's episode...how much more wicked can Chanchal get?? I thot manipulating ppl using a dying family member's wish was the heights!! But she's just not stopping!! the way she taunted Nivi in the hospital bill counter was just too much!! Good that Nivi gave her back , but that was less is what i feel!! And after all the insults that Chanchal has heaped upon Nivi, I wud not want a sweet gal like Nivi to have Chanchal as her Mother-in-law!! Coz as it is Nivi didnt know a mother's love till date, but wanted her to atleast get some of that from her future MIL, if ever she marries!! And a wicked person like Chanchal, however much she might change in future, can never be a loving mother!!! At least thank God that she was not around behind Sid like before when he was talking to Lalji on the phone n getting to some truth abt Keshav!! After loosing all hopes on Sid, yesday's was one small ray of hope that in the middle of all this confusion, Sid has atleast managed to put Lalji on the task of finding the truth!! Hoping Sid will soon find out how wicked some of the ppl he trusted most like his Daadi, Chacha n Chachi r behind ruining his life...n hope CCBm comes back with some positivity n good winning over evil ! Hope Chanchal does not find out that Sid is digging for the truth!!

yah u r absolutely right i agree with u n i hope k jb tk sid k samne pura sach na ajaye chanchal ko na pta chale k sid sach jannay ki koshish kr rha hai...yah me too hoping tht ccbm comes back with positivity . good wins over evil.....bs wht about the new article divya prepares for marrying her dream man OMG no wedding at thid point plzzz it wedding takes place then nothing will b left then it will b confirm tht nivi will marry viren...plzzz sid ny engagement tou krli par shadi no sid plzzzz no shadi now plzzz pehle sach janlo us k baad koi faisla lena par aj sy tou shadi ki tayariyan b shuru hori hai 😭😭 ye week b sid nivi fans k liye bht emotional hoga 😭
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: supria

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@vrushalini, the posts here are so deep n thought provoking that I really cant decide how much n where to reply ...one thing that came to my mind, esp after friday's episode...how much more wicked can Chanchal get?? I thot manipulating ppl using a dying family member's wish was the heights!! But she's just not stopping!! the way she taunted Nivi in the hospital bill counter was just too much!! Good that Nivi gave her back , but that was less is what i feel!! And after all the insults that Chanchal has heaped upon Nivi, I wud not want a sweet gal like Nivi to have Chanchal as her Mother-in-law!! Coz as it is Nivi didnt know a mother's love till date, but wanted her to atleast get some of that from her future MIL, if ever she marries!! And a wicked person like Chanchal, however much she might change in future, can never be a loving mother!!! At least thank God that she was not around behind Sid like before when he was talking to Lalji on the phone n getting to some truth abt Keshav!! After loosing all hopes on Sid, yesday's was one small ray of hope that in the middle of all this confusion, Sid has atleast managed to put Lalji on the task of finding the truth!! Hoping Sid will soon find out how wicked some of the ppl he trusted most like his Daadi, Chacha n Chachi r behind ruining his life...n hope CCBm comes back with some positivity n good winning over evil ! Hope Chanchal does not find out that Sid is digging for the truth!!



God always serves justice in HIS own time and what far better justice for Keshav and Nivi would be then to have Chanchal's own son going against them and restoring Keshav's innocence and honor and that too for Nivi, who she taunted has no Akal and Shakal ?? Previously Divya was the sort of girl who would have been able to handle a MIL like Chanchal, but after falling for Sid, she has become very tame and submissive, whereas Nivi has learned how not to take anyone's crap anymore !! So it would be more fun to see a Nivi-Chanchal jodi as DIL & MIL !! She would never insult or misbehave with Chanchal, that is not her upbringing, but she would know much better then Divya on how to handle Chanchal and deflects all the strikes Chanchal throws her way !! As for getting a mother's love, she has Naintara and Vandana both to give her that love !! And for that Vandan doesn't have to be her MIL !!


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sinchan

You are absolutely right in saying this!! when u put it this way i feel what ever u are saying is worth thinking and SId is such a Jerk!! but dont u feel repenting and trying ones best to undo thr wrong things deserves forgiveness!!He has been very blind and deaf but once realises and restore Nivis and her familys honor by sacrificing evrything and putting everithing at stake!! even then do u feel he doesnt deserve any chance at all!!
What if he makes the entire Sood parivaar to bow down and ask Keshavs forgiveness! They are going to make Sid do something very drastic so that Nivi forgives him!! becoz there is no other logical end to this love story!!OR may be she has to meet someone other than Sood!!1
Iknow in real life it is different and we might never forgive but this is aserial so they might do something ljustifiable for sid and nivi to reunite!!
The sanctity of relationships have also to be considered here!! cousins pairing up with eacothers loved ones or what ever will start questions on moral reponsibility of the creatives!! Nivi was almost married to SId !they thought they were nearly husband and wife and things went really berserk and horribly wrong but can we really see her romancing the younger brother!! Her forgiving him is definitely not wht i am looking forward!! i want to see Why she might ultimately do it!! what could melt her anger against her love and to what extent Sid might go now to show her his repentance!! i know this is avery confusing but alovely topicand demands alot of thinking and aconsistent stable mind which i seem not to have at times!!!😕😕

very true Sinchan, i think Sid deserves a big chance if he finds the truth n does his level best to make up for some of the pain he unknowingly caused to Nivi's family...thats a big big challenge for him given how badly he has hurt Nivi!! n abt Nivi i dont think she wud ever be able to fall in love so soon again!! God forbid, if she happens to fall in love with Viren n later finds out that he is Chanchal's son, she will believe that fate has failed her again in love!! For it was Chanchal n Jawahar who caused her family the most hurt...n the truth has not yet been proved that they r behind Sid losing his father...these might have an impact on what decisions Nivi will take in future!
also agree about what u said on maintaining sanctity of relationships, especially if Divya marries Sid n Nivi eventually falls for Viren! Since the three of them (Nivi, Sid n Viren) are highly family- oriented, they wud not stay away from family n it wud be really akward for them to face each other as ex-lovers turned bro n sis-in laws!! For however much u try to wipe away ur first love, some feelings wud definitely show up n it wud ruin not just one couple's relationship, but the entire family!! More so, if they all eventually end up as exchanged partners under one family, it wud be very embarassing for them to face one another !!

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