RARKPK ■■ REVIEWS & BO ■■ SPOILER FREE!! Thread 2 - Page 6

Originally posted by: Ranashiv1104

How so? Basic mathematics dictates that you look at the lifetime gross collections of a film lmao; the production house and distributors will only earn domestic profits? How asinine- they will earn whatever money the film collects, be it domestic or international. And Karan Johar drives a lot of revenue from the international BO, so of course the worldwide gross is analysed for any movie; with Pathaan, Dangal and all of the blockbuster movies, the GROSS collection is calculated.

Y'all understandably dislike Karan, and the nepo gang, but the film has MORE than recovered its budget.

I would agree with you. Except an Indian film should succeed in INDIA. If not, it's a flop in INDIA.

And that's why distributor recovery is used to evaluate hits. Because producers make money from all avenues.

Distributor loss = flop in that territory

Originally posted by: Ranashiv1104

How so? Basic mathematics dictates that you look at the lifetime gross collections of a film lmao; the production house and distributors will only earn domestic profits? How asinine- they will earn whatever money the film collects, be it domestic or international. And Karan Johar drives a lot of revenue from the international BO, so of course the worldwide gross is analysed for any movie; with Pathaan, Dangal and all of the blockbuster movies, the GROSS collection is calculated.

Y'all understandably dislike Karan, and the nepo gang, but the film has MORE than recovered its budget.

Rocky Rani won’t fall into this category cause it’s successful in India and outside it

But even people in Hollywood use that model. Tom Cruise hits are Mission Impossible and top gun. But he made a movie in 2017 called the mummy. It bombed in USA but recovered a lot in overseas box office. But no in Hollywood counts it as a Tom cruise hit.

Honestly, with movies, one should look at the international success, not only at the domestic one...

The only problem I see is the difference one has to consider between net and gross...

India net is after the deduction of taxes, I think...and gross it without any deduction but what had been paid for the tickets purchaised.

What I think to have learned is that the verdict for a Hindi movie is based on the net income through tickets sold in India compared to the budget...am I right or am I wrong?

Originally posted by: Ranashiv1104

How so? Basic mathematics dictates that you look at the lifetime gross collections of a film lmao; the production house and distributors will only earn domestic profits? How asinine- they will earn whatever money the film collects, be it domestic or international. And Karan Johar drives a lot of revenue from the international BO, so of course the worldwide gross is analysed for any movie; with Pathaan, Dangal and all of the blockbuster movies, the GROSS collection is calculated.

Y'all understandably dislike Karan, and the nepo gang, but the film has MORE than recovered its budget.

It entirely depends on the country and the type of deals and contracts that are made with their distributors and exhibitors. Movies like Pathan and Dangal mention their world wide box office collections because it is a matter of celebration and a huge honor when a movie does so well globally. Dangal was a massive hit in China but Aamir Khan didn’t get a penny from China. Yet he still travelled there and showed up for its premier because again, it’s a matter of honor and a huge compliment to have your work be appreciated to that extent. Everyone else uses “world wide gross” numbers because the big numbers look good on digital posters so they can keep sharing it on their social media. Like when NGE and Kartik and Kiara shared that SPKK made over a 100cr gross world wide. It’s for optics. KJo is doing the same thing here. Optics.

Hit or flop is decided based on domestic collections. Viacom18 invested a minimum of 160cr (possibly close to 200cr) on RRKPK and they are also the distributors in India so there’s no distributors’ price here. And everyone pays taxes so no gross doesn’t count. Only net counts. It’s definitely not a hit yet and becoming a hit is still difficult because Gadar2 will take over this weekend. This is why KJo is trying to negotiate with exhibitors and taking back some of the screens that are going to Gadar2 starting Friday. He knows his movie needs a lot more time and lot more screens to reach a hit status. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say it’s not even a success yet. Viacom18 has got a long way to go to make a profit off of their 160-200 crores investment.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Rocky Rani won’t fall into this category cause it’s successful in India and outside it

But even people in Hollywood use that model. Tom Cruise hits are Mission Impossible and top gun. But he made a movie in 2017 called the mummy. It bombed in USA but recovered a lot in overseas box office. But no in Hollywood counts it as a Tom cruise hit.

Originally posted by: MostlyHarmIess

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but not a single person considers The Mummy a success. It bombed so badly, they had to scrap the entire Dark Cinematic Universe with 6 announced films with A-listers like Jolie and Depp. 😆

An if RARKPK did bad in India they would look at it same way

For example someone mentioned Dangal. Dangal was Huge everywhere. But Aamirs next film Secret Superstar did poorly in India but did well in Asian markets like Dangal did. But no one looks at the films the same way

Whilst your analysis makes complete sense, how are you aware of the distributor cost in India? Did Kjo inform you personally? 😆 While I agree on the optics bit, I don't think KJo would have been this relieved if the film was such a big flop; even TJMM was declared a 'hit' even though it earned a total of 220 crores against a budget of 200 crores. I believe the metrics of a 'hit' post pandemic are quite different.

As someone who personally thinks the movie was slightly overrated, I didn't expect it to do the business it did, however it's important to give credit where it is due; I feel like a bunch of people on this forum (not you!) are a case of sour grapes because they were trashing the movie since Day 1, but it's surprisingly more than exceeded its budget. It's just week 2, let's see what the news reveals on the distributor end.

Originally posted by: Ranashiv1104

Whilst your analysis makes complete sense, how are you aware of the distributor cost in India? Did Kjo inform you personally? 😆 While I agree on the optics bit, I don't think KJo would have been this relieved if the film was such a big flop; even TJMM was declared a 'hit' even though it earned a total of 220 crores against a budget of 200 crores. I believe the metrics of a 'hit' post pandemic are quite different.

As someone who personally thinks the movie was slightly overrated, I didn't expect it to do the business it did, however it's important to give credit where it is due; I feel like a bunch of people on this forum (not you!) are a case of sour grapes because they were trashing the movie since Day 1, but it's surprisingly more than exceeded its budget. It's just week 2, let's see what the news reveals on the distributor end.

No, we don't know what the cost was. However, people generally know how much costs are for the genre. The budget is generally known for this one movie. So are the ticket sales. Which is why peeps are commenting.

As for KJo, no one here trusts his behavior for very good reasons. We remember him calling Brahmastra a hit despite it being known the collections fell far short of the budget. Then, he dropped the trilogy. Yeah, all optics. It was a flop.

Also, when the metric is one for other movies, it can't change for a Dharma movie just because. Measure hit/flop status by the same yardstick.

The response to you was the first I made re: this movie and only because a newbie, who sounded personally aggrieved, claimed profit/loss is the only criteria by which hit status should be judged. I admit tearing down movies is a favorite online passtime. But to blanket dismiss all mockery of KJo's blatant manipulations? Some movies just don't work with the audience no matter how much money the producer makes from other venues. Right now, it's distribution profit in India that tells us if it clicked.

P.s. I'm glad this one did well because it sounds more progressive than the usual mainstream stuff.

Originally posted by: MostlyHarmIess

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but not a single person considers The Mummy a success. It bombed so badly, they had to scrap the entire Dark Cinematic Universe with 6 announced films with A-listers like Jolie and Depp. 😆

Brahmastra was *definitely* a flop; I still can't believe they claimed it was a hit even though it made a mere 431 crores against a budget of 400 crores; but I do agree re KJO being manipulative about certain numbers- but I guess that works for him because look at the plethora of positive reviews despite the script of this film being average.

But I still personally feel this film has done well as far as BO numbers are concerned (even though 100 crores of the revenue out of the gross 210 can be attributed to the international BO), but yeah let's see how domestic collections fare with Gaddar 2 and OMG 2.