Who is most regressive filmmaker? - Page 7

I am not mad. I am pointing out Barjatya showing women as vamps if they are educated or working or socialise or are outspoken or maybe divorced.

Or sweeping dialogues in Aditya Chopra films that girl has only one dream which is to get a man who loves her or har ladki ka ek hi sapna hota hai...as if girls have no other dreams in life except to get a man.

Nothing wrong if you want to get married but why pretend as if it is the only dream of every girl or only girls who have this dream are good and others are bad?

It is the stereotype which I questioned.

Bollywood or Indian TV hardly showed any woman whose only dream is to study or work or carve own identity and not just get married. Hardly films where first born in female and birth of girl child is celebrated same way as grand celebrations for munna born in HAHK, HSSH.

Rather BW and TV have shown working or educated or career oriented women as vamps or characterless or sad from within or as someone who is sexually starved or bitter.

This is what I called out. IDK why nuance is lost here.

Fly, that is a really interesting topic for me as I learn through the comments (I've watched movies of all the listed directors, although only the early ones from Indra Kumar).

Honestly, the least regressive one seems to be SLB (he has other "flaws", imo).

Originally posted by: atominis

Why not same for men eh? Why men do not become stay at home dads and househusbands despite degrees if it is so progressive?

Barjatya films show woman's education is worthless and only to quote in matrimonial or pass time until she is married.

If Tabu is MBA from London then why she is at home and not even joining family business in HSSH nor Mohnish or others consult her in business matters? Why is she mute all through the film?

Husbands staying at home is another debate of gender assigned roles by nature and men been responsible as bread earners. Not everything can be analyzed with a lens of progression and regression.

Few things are attributed to nature and how male and female are built and their overall psyche.

Not that with passing years the nature's dynamic will be upside down, it's not a question of progression and regression. We will keep ourselves confused if we honk every sheep with a same stick and got caught in the same rut of logic.

In HSSH it was Tabu's personal choice to lead her life as she wants and not to make her degree an excuse to do what she didn't want to prioritize, and to do things by hook or crook LAAZMI just because she held a degree. This is also a form of progression and personal freedom of choice.

Tabu"s character was of a quite shy type woman, nothing to do with been regressive, degree holder woman can be quite types, even a working woman can have a quite personality.

HSSH was not a movie based on business dynamics and how men and women approached business related situations, hence no light was shed over it, not even from men's perspective, it was solely based on family affairs.

Corporate and Sarkar Raj were films been related to business world and leading women in these were shown dealing with business affairs through ample screen time and in fine detailing.

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Originally posted by: atominis

It is bad even if all filmmakers do it.

A century ago child marriage was everywhere in India. It was wrong. Even if others did it.

But then we’ve never had directors who were progressive ? We can pick out stuff from anyone

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

But then we’ve never had directors who were progressive ? We can pick out stuff from anyone

Shyam Benegal

Satyajeet ray

Basu Bhattacharya

were few of the progressive directors among many even by today's standards and Basu was a commercial one gave many hits as well at boxoffice.

The woman objectification started from 80s from that club culture focusing camera on women's assets as they are some gosht kay loothray to munch on....and got worst in 90s...worstest now in the name of progression.

Hindi cinema was not at all like that till early 80s, there were hardly any objectification except in RK films or from zeenat/Parveen throughout all those 40 years.

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Originally posted by: atominis

Amused at resident feminists here who think Hirani is not sexist.

What was balatkar speech and sthan jokes in 3 Idiots

I am with you 100% on this.

Hirani made a mockery of an inhuman hyneous crime against women, RAPE.

This can not be defended.

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David dhawan imo it’s comedies are lol but women are mere objects without potential in his movies !! Other is who was banned sajhid khan( not only regressive onscreen but offscreen repulsive ) !!

Originally posted by: kingkhan22

Shyam Benegal

Satyajeet ray

Basu Bhattacharya

were few of the progressive directors among many even by today's standards and Basu was a commercial one gave many hits as well at boxoffice.

The woman objectification started from 80s from that club culture focusing camera on women's assets as they are some gosht kay loothray to munch on....and got worst in 90s...worstest now in the name of progression.

Hindi cinema was not at all like that till early 80s, there were hardly any objectification except in RK films or from zeenat/Parveen throughout all those 40 years.

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Bollywood itself is not progressive

Lets just accept it 😆

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Bollywood itself is not progressive

Lets just accept it 😆

I was not focusing on progression as a whole, but was only over women's objectification which is a part of regression, not the entire regressive aspect.

Agree Bollywood as a whole is not progressive, but is Western cinema? Not saying yes or no.

It boils down to different cultures of east and west, the western ones are lesser frustrated as their norms are more open and lesser conservative, hence more objectification in Hindi cinema to satisfy the urges of men.

The regression and progression aspect is multi layered and complicated in various decades so me accepting a linear narrative won't help much.

Hindi cinema made some really progressive content as well especially by the names I've mentioned and by some others as well, given the state of mind of our region and level of enlightment back then.

Originally posted by: kingkhan22

Agree Bollywood as a whole is not progressive, but is Western cinema? Not saying yes or no.

It doesnt matter if it needs to be

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