Unnecessary hatred against Alia and Kjo - Page 8

Originally posted by: anubolly

Nepotism exists everywhere. Not a new thing. Every one will try to grab opprtunit for their loved ones.

If I am a professor I would try to get a chance to have my kid to my college. What if I start invading my college spots to all people I know by kicking all other people out. Then what about I am trying to manipulate all universities around me and start pushing my friends only?

Every where nepotism acts. But not to this extent. Earlier many outsiders even actors like John could make a name. Now everything is handled and managed by few elites.

More to that they think some decent outsider chaps are inferior. All their life they were pampered with the richest amenities. So every one else other than their elite gang is inferior to them unless they lick their feet.

What did I say different than you?? I am an SRK fan and there is no one I hate more in BW than KJo , I still won't blame him for a death...You guys keep quoting me without reading the following part:

What I hate is the bullying part, putting down others in talk shows, the snobbish attitude, thinking that the TV stars are nothing, snatching their roles, I am against all that and BW people who do that should be called out for it...but nepotism no......I won't say that shit KJo is receiving unnecessary hate...imagine if he mistreated SRK what he must be doing with nobodies ....but I will not blame him for anyone's death....ye entertainment industry hai...privately owned and run...don't waste ur time here. also all those up in arms stop watching the movies of star kids if u don't like them....the public can throw out any star kid...u have that power.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

People are behaving as if nepotism happens only in BW.....nepotism is ingrained in the human DNA.....anyone would give preference to their own friends and family over others.....may be Mother Teresa and a few others didn't but then they were/are saints.....we are not.....

Ask urself if u had a big opportunity somewhere .....will u give to ur own sibling/son/daughter/best friend.....or will u choose some outsider more qualified....agar outsider choose karoge toh let me touch ur feet....

People who are outsiders today will bring their own the first opportunity they get....do u think SRK/Akshay won't launch their kids if that is what their kids want?

Did Priyanka not bring Parineeti and an army of cousins?

Did Kriti not get her sister to do a song with a superstar Akshay?? How many of you think that a more talented girl could not have done that song.

Did Dharmendra and Hema both outsiders not launch their kids??

Did Rajkumar Rao not not pressurize some director to take his GF as a lead?

Hell...even 1 film old Bhagyashree made the producers cast her husband in 2-3 movies and now her kid is doing a movie??

Do u not see nepotism in businesses...politics and everywhere else?

Do the rick kids not get in good schools by donation and the more deserving are left behind..that is unfair too..

Would you want people to tell you how and where to invest your OWN money?

Don't hate BW for nepotism...because we all would have done the same....if I was SRK ...my daughter would not give an audition...heck no..

Its just that nepotism is more visible in BW.....aap apny 100 rupees bhi soch kar kharch karoge...we don't live in a socialist society...where everyone gets equal...we are allowed to spend our hard earned money whatever way we want and on whoever we want..

What I hate is the bullying part, putting down others in talk shows, the snobbish attitude, thinking that the TV stars are nothing, snatching their roles, I am against all that and BW people who do that should be called out for it...but nepotism no......I won't say that shit KJo is receiving unnecessary hate...imagine if he mistreated SRK what he must be doing with nobodies ....but I will not blame him for anyone's death....ye entertainment industry hai...privately owned and run...don't waste ur time here. also all those up in arms stop watching the movies of star kids if u don't like them....the public can throw out any star kid...u have that power.

This is a poor defence of nepotism, even if it is everywhere (which is not true), that doesn't make it morally right or something which we shouldn't fight against, by your logic, racism is natural as well, racism is in human DNA, so what.. we should just accept it?

And even if for arguments sake I agree with you that nepotism is everywhere, it is no where near to the degree that it is in Bollywood. Just like some countries have less crime than other countries, that doesn't mean that they are equivalent. Same with nepotism, Bollywood is drenched in nepotism, far more worse than other industries, even if someone is lucky enough to break in to this industry, there are so many obstacles and hurdles, that it becomes almost impossible to become successful and have longevity.

I know you have criticised the bitching and bullying culture of nepotism, but that is the product of nepotism, this culture is the result of nepotism.

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

I am sure he didn't receive half the rewards and pampering because his family didn't have the means to, which Ranbir's did. For Sushant the reward was he got ahead in life. But the people in Bollywood privilege club even took that reward away.

I hope you understand that pampering is not just about money. I don't know Sushant's home life but since he was from a middle class family, I'm assuming he got a lot of love from his parents and family even if they couldn't throw him parties.

Ranbir had insider privilege for movies but he faced his own personal problems. Everyone knows his father was an alcoholic and there were domestic abuse issues. Nitu was about the leave him and she has publicly talked about how she used to share all her problems with Ranbir. Do you know how traumatizing it is for a kid to hear about his mother being beat up by his father? Let his grandma throw a little party for him if she wants. How does his grandma loving him make any difference to the larger world? Do we need to be jealous about this?

Sushant took his own life, nobody else. Stop this.

Originally posted by: rkisnothot

I hope you understand that pampering is not just about money. I don't know Sushant's home life but since he was from a middle class family, I'm assuming he got a lot of love from his parents and family even if they couldn't throw him parties.

Ranbir had insider privilege for movies but he faced his own personal problems. Everyone knows his father was an alcoholic and there were domestic abuse issues. Nitu was about the leave him and she has publicly talked about how she used to share all her problems with Ranbir. Do you know how traumatizing it is for a kid to hear about his mother being beat up by his father? Let his grandma throw a little party for him if she wants. How does his grandma loving him make any difference to the larger world? Do we need to be jealous about this?

Sushant took his own life, nobody else. Stop this.

We can only assume. We know nothing about how much love he received from his parents. Whether his parents were in love and he had a stable home or not. Studies show that lower income household do tend to be emotionally unstable because the stress and anxiety of money alone. What we do know is Ranbir got a lot more financial pampering than Sushant. I never said what Ranbir must have seen/experienced wasn't traumatizing. But we know about that and yet you can only assume that Sushant must have a had a healthy home life.

I brought that example because she threw it for him for passing the tenth grade with really mediocre marks because she had the means too. Sushant had numerous academic achievement but prob didn't even recorded because the difference in means.

Bullying triggers depression and yes Sushant took his own life due to depression. I never directly blamed anyone else. I am neither jealous of Ranbir. I was explaining to Briana why people empathize with Sushant more and she seemed to agree after our discussion.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5397115/

Originally posted by: rkisnothot

I hope you understand that pampering is not just about money. I don't know Sushant's home life but since he was from a middle class family, I'm assuming he got a lot of love from his parents and family even if they couldn't throw him parties.

Ranbir had insider privilege for movies but he faced his own personal problems. Everyone knows his father was an alcoholic and there were domestic abuse issues. Nitu was about the leave him and she has publicly talked about how she used to share all her problems with Ranbir. Do you know how traumatizing it is for a kid to hear about his mother being beat up by his father? Let his grandma throw a little party for him if she wants. How does his grandma loving him make any difference to the larger world? Do we need to be jealous about this?

Sushant took his own life, nobody else. Stop this.

Lol the person who responded was saying something entirely different.

And yes, domestic abuse if traumatic, but we're talking about systematic industry bullying and isolation here.

What about you stop trying to defend the ugly nepotistic practices of Bollywood and normalizing them?

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https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/32706/412899-The-Negative-Effects-of-Instability-on-Child-Development-A-Research-Synthesis.PDF

Again, we need to be careful. For one, nobody’s knows all the factors that pushed Sushant to commit suicide. We’re grasping at straws here, making a big assumption that his decision was ONLY due to his career and then extrapolating that to to nepotism and bullying. I think that’s unfair.

Karan Johar didn’t pull the trigger that ended his life. Nor did he at any point send him guy texts to end his life. IF (and that is a major if) career was the reason for him feeling this way, well he’s neither the first nor the last. Bollywood is a cut throat competition and yes connections will continue to take priority. Happens in every field, more so in Bollywood.

I think we’re setting a dangerous precedent if we’re going to start to blame Bollywood and colleagues for someone’s suicide. There’s so much that goes into it. And ultimately, it was the man’s own decision, which is very disheartening. But we cannot continue to punish everyone else for his decision.

I feel like we the people want someone to be held accountable, so Karan has become to scapegoat. Tomorrow if Johar commits suicide, will we blame twitter trolls?

Originally posted by: shabhashdaddy

Dharma YRF strung him along and did him dirty. Paani was rumoured for over six years and shelved last year. Drive was tossed on Netflix late last year.

Yes, a similar thing happened with Parineeti. Remember Kjo inviting Parineeti on the show with Alia and pretending they were on the same level even though Alia had literally just debuted !