Hrithik says he was not offered Ram in Ramayan - Page 10

Originally posted by: cricketfan1

Agreed...But unfortunately the Desi audience isn't ready to tolerate it on the big screens yet...not at least when the mainstream actors do it! And the country doesn't need such creative brilliance at this point! Take any religion, the consequences of such liberal interpretations are lethal!

While growing up I have seen the most tolerant side of Hinduism. It never even occured to me that things would be like what they are today. And that's the thing that makes me so disappointed. We were doing so good. In fact I remember being in Sikkim in a monastry. And this head monk was asked what makes India have so many different people living in peace and he answered Hinduism. He said that they have something called higher thinking and one of the only known religions who give you total freedom. In devotion and in life. He said this while being a Buddhist. This was a decade or more ago. I wonder what he thinks of India now.

Yeah. Most of all the safety of the people is important. Sad state though. Hinduism is soon going down the path of intolerance.

Hinduism is not really a religion. The goal of all yogis is moksha. All striving for enlightenment, all are supposed to be seekers not believers.

There was shiva then Krishna, I don’t see Rama as enlightened.

Mythology isn’t taken to be on face value.

I also don’t see shiva as a human being.

Shiva/shakti are the masculine and feminine energies.

So they can show Rama whatever way they want but do they have the guts to portray Muhammad as he was?

Is this film being made ???

Originally posted by: adventurousman

Hinduism is not really a religion. The goal of all yogis is moksha. All striving for enlightenment, all are supposed to be seekers not believers.

There was shiva then Krishna, I don’t see Rama as enlightened.

Mythology isn’t taken to be on face value.

I also don’t see shiva as a human being.

Shiva/shakti are the masculine and feminine energies.

So they can show Rama whatever way they want but do they have the guts to portray Muhammad as he was?

They don't have the guts to portray Muhammad as anything because of literal fear. Of getting gunned down or killed. Do we want people fearing Hindus like that? Heed or be gunned down or killed ?

Originally posted by: Ronaldo_fan

simple fact- some people will be happy if ram is shown as grey, showing bad side in the name of creative liberty hurting millions of people's sentiments. As u know hindu's faith and God bashing is so cool in modern time

In the name of creative liberty, they cant show anything to hurt millions of people's sentiments. why always expect hindus to not to react to fake and deliberate bashing of their faith and god?

First need to get their facts straight regarding ramyana.

Liberty ka matlab yeh nai ki ki logon ke faith ko hurt karo ! And expect karo ki people react nai kare when majority of country is religious. The pseudo liberalism only works online. People take religion seriously and it matters to us a lot

Pehle ungli karo aur jab reaction mile toh haye tauba machao. Aaj ki duniya ki yahi reet hain.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

But Ram hardly had any grey shades. Lord Vishnu or Lord Krishna yes, but Ram, nah he was a gai, who just suffered and got his near and dear ones suffer because of his uprightness.

Actually, not true. Also isn't there a hypocrisy in your statement? Lord Vishnu or Krishna may be grey but not Rama who was a likewise human avatar, how's that even possible? There have been a few authors who strongly mentioned this in their writings. And those authors are highly respected in the literary field for saying the truth. But like people mentioned in this thread, public in India cannot handle that as a truth.

This guys writes it better than I can on this topic. https://myanasworth.wordpress.com/tag/rama-good-or-bad/

"If I remove the halo of ‘Avatara Purusha’ from Ram’s head, he comes across as a very average and self centred man. He cared for his reputation more than he cared about those he loved. To him his duties as a king took precedence over his duties as a human being. Yes, he loved his wife and was devoted to her but there was no acceptable justification for the way he treated her. He fulfilled his duties as a king and ruler but he miserably failed in his duties as a husband, father and human being. Sita was his responsibility as much as his kingdom – so why did he not take that responsibility seriously. Because, this didn’t offer a path to everlasting glory?? What kind of a man would banish his pregnant wife for a whim. Why Sita tolerated this, I will never understand. Yes there are many explanations in the book but personally, I can relate to Draupadi’s fiery and feisty nature more than I can to Sita’s earthy patient nature. Now, if treating a person with kindness is a yardstick for being ‘good’, Ram fails miserably. They say of all the sins in the world ‘hurting a woman’ is the worst sin. By this definition he is sinner too!

By contrast, Ravan who is personified as evil himself is not so evil when you read the story. Yes he is smitten by Sita’s beauty and falls in love with her. He abducts her hoping that one day she will agree to accept him. Yes, by the moral standpoint of current day society, capturing another man’s wife is wrong and to capture an unwilling woman is wrong but there ends the streak of evil. He is portrayed as a god fearing, learned man with a good heart. Not once does he force himself upon Sita. He could have. Of course, there is the notion that he didn’t do so because of the curse upon him that if he forced a woman, that would bring about his destruction. Even so, I’d like to think that on face value of the facts presented in the book, he had more conviction and was much more in tune with his finer emotions that Ram. Yes, there are shades of evil but he is largely a good man.

My fascination for these sorts of stories is that when you look at the characters, there is no person who is entirely good or entirely bad. It is people like us who develop these cliché’s and stereotypes. There are shades of grey and it is the shades of grey that make humans so fascinating.

Maybe I am not the only one who thinks these kind of ‘offbeaat’ thoughts! Mani Ratnam’s Raavanan certainly presents all my thoughts beautifully on screen."

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

While growing up I have seen the most tolerant side of Hinduism. It never even occured to me that things would be like what they are today. And that's the thing that makes me so disappointed. We were doing so good. In fact I remember being in Sikkim in a monastry. And this head monk was asked what makes India have so many different people living in peace and he answered Hinduism. He said that they have something called higher thinking and one of the only known religions who give you total freedom. In devotion and in life. He said this while being a Buddhist. This was a decade or more ago. I wonder what he thinks of India now.

Yeah. Most of all the safety of the people is important. Sad state though. Hinduism is soon going down the path of intolerance.

It is so interesting you say that. That's what my parents and the older generation say too.

Picture bani nahin aur Hindu pehle se hi intolerant ban gaye 😆. Let other religions have their equivalents of Lajja and Raavan before we start bemoaning the fact that you can't make Ramayan with Ram in "grey shades", shall we?

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

They don't have the guts to portray Muhammad as anything because of literal fear. Of getting gunned down or killed. Do we want people fearing Hindus like that? Heed or be gunned down or killed ?

I don't want to sound insensitive and don't want to insult any religion but I guess all the ones being killed for an animal are just for joy 🤪you can't continue living in the same world you lived 10-20 yrs ago and your statement is not a fact in today's realities .

the real ramayan actually ends when ram sita become king and queen again after defeating ravana

her becoming pregnant and getting banished were written later by other writers

and ramayana has historical proof

the ram setu bridge is very much present

and since this was the earlier times, we humans were closer to animals, and thats why there are so many animal human interactions

and the vaali sugreev fight is also very similar to other ape behaviour where, the male ape often kidnaps the female ape and there are fights.

If they dishonour Ram or any other Hindu gods, then I myself will riot. Enough of insulting Hindus. Just because we are peace loving does not mean one can insult them again and again