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Posted: 6 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: ilovecrepes

People are actually enjoying asking the abuser ki family n seeing their reactions.🤢

Catch the person not his or her family.


Its Tit for Tat ...nanidta and Mallika did the same in past..ab apne pe aai to 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: astha36

Was the American movement really based on "Women should be believed, no matter what."? I think the movement is more about women speaking up and coming forward with their allegations without being shamed or forcefully silenced. Raising questions on men, who may have been highly reputed and revered, so as to show the public another side to the coin. Personally, I don't think anybody should be punished without a fair trial in court. It is obviously very difficult to prove incidents of this nature, but that is the only way to know for sure.

When you have people speaking up about such incidents, one, it should embolden others to speak up, two, it should strike fear in the hearts of such perverts and three, it should create a doubt in public's mind about the accused. Why people like MJ Akbar need to step down is because multiple women have come forward and he is a minister. Recently, the courts also said that people who are even involved in cases of such nature, shouldn't be given tickets, and not just those who are convicted. Because the govt should always set an example and can't have people who are of dubious character. Others who have been asked to step down, have private entities involved, who may want to avoid controversy and bad publicity. But objectively, they should not be called molesters as a fact.

People shouldn't expect family members to condemn their family because everybody trusts those close to them and will stand beside them, as they should. That is the meaning of a family. People who stand up for you, beside you. BUT they should not shame the accuser into silence, for they should know they could be in a similar position. Also, in the face of significant evidence, they should not try to rationalise or twist logic in favour of their family still. That much can be expected of them, I think.



Great post @astha36

Bold - Yes it was and is

Blue - Agree That's what it should be and hope Indian movement is more sane and just
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Posted: 6 years ago
#23
^^^
All women should be believed is the motto of American movement... I couldn't believe the absurdity

Every women should be taken seriously and not dismissed or shamed no matter who the accused is...

But to say every women should be believed and women NEVER lie when it comes to sexual harrasment is absurd

There were quite a few posts here too, many months ago, supporting that... I even made a post then saying how absurd it is

By the way the same women who say that, stay quiet or change course and support the accused (Lena Dunham for eg) or say every case is different when one of their own is accused


Edited by BettyA1 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#24
^Thanks Betty 😊 I disagree with that motto too then. To rectify a skewed scale is not to skew it on the other side. Yes, sometimes the oppressed classes need preferential treatment but not when the stakes are so high. Unconditional power will always be misused. I'm a feminist so this is what I think 😃
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Posted: 6 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: ZanduBaaM



"categorically denied". And so has every man who has been accused of #MeTooIndia. And the hypocrite Feminists are saying that they believe the accused, if he is one of them, but they believe the accuser, if the accused is on the other side. So, so predictable!



oh...now, she wants to listen to the men, just cause its her Father in question...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: liberiangirl


IKR.

Am a woman, I support the #MeToo movement, have been a victim of harrassment myself like the millions of other women in India and around the world.

That said, if someone were to come forward and make allegations against my father, my brother, my husband or my son or any other man in my family, I wouldn't know how to react. It's wrong to judge women if they find themselves in such a situation and want to give their loved ones the benefit of doubt. Nothing wrong with that. Let the investigation play out and let the facts come to the surface. Infact, that should be the case for all allegations. Else, who knows if someone is falsely accusing another?



that's why benefit of doubt should be given to all, no matter if they are related to us or not...at least till the allegations are proven... why make tall claims, when we are not strong enough to follow it through ?

yea, cases like Sajid Khan is different, he is known creep and even looks creepy...that falls in different scenario
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Posted: 6 years ago
#27
I actually liked Nandita's response. She has not taken any sides.
Way better than Mallika
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Posted: 6 years ago
#28
It seems that more and more men who claim to be progressives, liberals, say all the right things, are turning out to be the biggest hypocritical sexual creeps.

And did she really say all men are potential rapists? really, would the following also fly..? all Muslims are potential terrorists, all black people are potential criminals? no? then W*F would you say say something as ludicrous as that.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#29

I wish you were educated to understand stand that molesting a woman is not just a crime against that woman but against the state too. He is answerable to the victim & to the law enforcement agencies. Also he doesn't have any right to hold moral high ground. Samjhi kuch Pagli

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Posted: 6 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: astha36

Was the American movement really based on "Women should be believed, no matter what."? I think the movement is more about women speaking up and coming forward with their allegations without being shamed or forcefully silenced. Raising questions on men, who may have been highly reputed and revered, so as to show the public another side to the coin. Personally, I don't think anybody should be punished without a fair trial in court. It is obviously very difficult to prove incidents of this nature, but that is the only way to know for sure.

When you have people speaking up about such incidents, one, it should embolden others to speak up, two, it should strike fear in the hearts of such perverts and three, it should create a doubt in public's mind about the accused. Why people like MJ Akbar need to step down is because multiple women have come forward and he is a minister. Recently, the courts also said that people who are even involved in cases of such nature, shouldn't be given tickets, and not just those who are convicted. Because the govt should always set an example and can't have people who are of dubious character. Others who have been asked to step down, have private entities involved, who may want to avoid controversy and bad publicity. But objectively, they should not be called molesters as a fact.

People shouldn't expect family members to condemn their family because everybody trusts those close to them and will stand beside them, as they should. That is the meaning of a family. People who stand up for you, beside you. BUT they should not shame the accuser into silence, for they should know they could be in a similar position. Also, in the face of significant evidence, they should not try to rationalise or twist logic in favour of their family still. That much can be expected of them, I think.



The Hollywood version was all over the place too and most celebrities who came forth had their own agendas.

The difference is that Harvey Weinstein had a history of these affairs. He was sick but most of the times, he offered those who slept with him ample incentives and if you check their Oscar record, no producer or no film or no actor have won the Oscars more than Harvey Weinstein and his entourage have. It's only after everything came out to the open, they all hounded him - rightfully so - but after they'd enjoyed their share of the pie. The likes of Meryl Streep, Quentin Tarantino, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Jennifer Lawrence, Gwyneth Paltrow, etc. knew what Weinstein was up to but they remained quiet until they were forced to comment after overwhelming evidence. It's also true that Weinstein made the careers of all those people.

We all know about Asia Argento and the sexual molestation issue. When it was her, Rose McGowan wanted everyone to wait for evidence. But if it were a woman accusing a man, it didn't matter if there was no evidence. A simple Twitter post was enough for them to hound the man even if he were innocent.

They'd given a whole new spin to the Innocent until proven guilty saying. It had become Guilty as soon as I accuse you - not even Guilty unless proven innocent.

I don't know who it was who said this. Natalie Portman? I'm not sure but it was said that every man above the age of 30 is in some way an accomplice in sexual harassment against women.

You'd think such a blanket statement would be condemned. But no, it was celebrated.

The funny bit is that it is alleged that Rose McGowan - one of MeToo Movement's leading advocates - called the movement a facade and "bullshit." She came forth and denied it but it's alleged that she did say it off cameras.

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