Beyond Padmavati: Another case of Regression by I&B Ministry - Page 5

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

believe me I do not want these things said or done to other groups...and I avoid such comparisons as far as possible too ...but sometimes it becomes unavoidable because it has become the latest fad to portray Hindus as most intolerant people in the country... so a comparison is sometimes needed to show what level of tolerance exists in other groups as compared to Hindus...

I know the problem lies in the "I'm holier than thou" attitude of the sickulars... who just focus on the easy targets (Hindus) for cheap publicity ...but in all this nonsense other groups also get entangled... it's like gehu ke saath ghun bhi pis jaata hai wali baat... which is rather unfortunate

Originally posted by: sunflower52

Who & why is that said film maker attacking the Goddess, if its a Hindu film maker he is wrong to present the deity in such a way.

Which still brings my point attacking Islam will not make the matter right.

Originally posted by: angrybread

Arey to sanjal leela bhansali ka kachcha chittha nikaalo na and uska cheer haran karo kisne roka hai ...why drag the ones who are not saying anything or have no connection whatsoever with making the movie or distorting history 😳

Regarding your second para i agree to a certain extent. Right from the childhood we have watched so many hindu mythological programmes and believe me when i was a child i always wondered and asked the question to my hindu friends also as to how come anyone comes and protrays your god in these tv programmes and that too not accurately and honestly i always thought that may be it is allowed ( as i don't know little bits and bobs and minute details about hindu religion) .

I do believe that there are some things which shouldn't be done even if it's FOE , for the sake of not instigating people and not taking them for granted like the title of the film mentioned here 👎🏼

like law sees only right n wrong same way
I&B should ignore petty sentiments n allow
every kind of pov to be presented to the society ..
let the audience decide whether to dis it..
if any state claims law n order problem
then sack that very government ..no need to
keep such failures who can not even control
vandalism n planned riots..

Originally posted by: anjs

yea, and sometimes its not even sickulars. I remember this incidence narsated by one of my friend, she was having some personal problems. so another colleague took her to a church sermon so that she might feel better and find a way out, but that sermon was so full of hatred for hindu's and hindu deities, calling the deities as devils and hindus as worshipers of devils, reason being cause hindu's dance on ganesh immersion day. Can you imagine, when the person preaching in a church, respected by them says all this, that what will the followers think ?

I am sorry If I hurt any christian's sentiments, but this was a real incidence told by my friend. After the sermon she felt more horrible instead of feeling at peace.

That's 'cause Abrahamic religions specifically state there is only one God and one way to God (their respective religions). So that's why you will see terms like kaafir/infidel, idol worshiper etc. The very conservative factions of Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) do not teach acceptance of other religions 'cause it's considered heretic.

Philosophies in Hinduism teach that there are multiple routes to take and spirituality is not the bastion of any one school of thought.

I remember watching this documentary about a mosque in the UK which preached hatred against Hinduism and Hindus. It's nothing new. The very fundamental interpretations of religion are always bad for society.

Summarising what I think in one post-

If SLB has distorted history and glorified Khilji, that is a problem and there should be peaceful protests against it if people want to protest it. NOT violent. The problem is a lot of anti-Padmavati protestors are calling for violent retribution. That is not done in a democracy. It just makes us a laughing stock in the rest of the free world.

If people of other religions take offense easily, the solution is not for us to also start talking offense at everything lol. The solution is to encourage followers of every religion to be more tolerant and realise not every depiction of their religion will be flattering. For example, I don't think the Satanic Verses should be banned in India. Similarly, I don't think Padmavati should be stopped from being screened since the censor board has okayed it. What do they exist for if their decisions will be overruled due to people being 'offended'?

This is not what should offend people. People should be offended that there is an attempt to stamp out differing POVs in our country. People should be offended that women feel so unsafe and so threatened that they would burn themselves to death. This should not be glorified. Teach your sons to not rape and pillage. People should be offended that anything critical of the current government is 'anti-national'. Funny how the same 'nationalist' brigade will also call out the Emergency of 1975.

Please realise, this isn't a left vs right or Congress vs BJP issue. Do you care about these parties or do you care about the country? Call out wrong whether it comes from the BJP or the Congress.

Regarding what Deepika said, generalising would be if she said, 'Indians have no integrity'. What she said is her opinion and she thinks our country is going down the wrong path. That's her POV. If you think differently, oppose it but do not say she has no right to say it. She hasn't instigated violence or insulted anyone by saying that.

Basically, we're focusing on the wrong f**king issue. This issue really doesn't deserve this much attention. Detracts from what actually matters in this world.

Originally posted by: clarity

That's 'cause Abrahamic religions specifically state there is only one God and one way to God (their respective religions). So that's why you will see terms like kaafir/infidel, idol worshiper etc. The very conservative factions of Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) do not teach acceptance of other religions 'cause it's considered heretic.

Philosophies in Hinduism teach that there are multiple routes to take and spirituality is not the bastion of any one school of thought.

I remember watching this documentary about a mosque in the UK which preached hatred against Hinduism and Hindus. It's nothing new. The very fundamental interpretations of religion are always bad for society.

I agree with what u are saying...and as much as i was shocked to know that, i understand where they are coming from... but the thing is, times have changed and at least majority of people are friends with people from different religions. So shouldn't it be logical to think and bit, that maybe what we presumed from centuries is wrong.

I think more then fundamentals being wrong, its us who have understood it wrongly. Like when I hear people say' Allah is the only God'. It sounds similar to Lord Vishnu, 'Everyone has to come to me, in the end'. It doesnt mean whether Allah or Vishnu is greater then each other, it simply means both are different names of the same entity. Its just us looking at them differently.

And then I wonder, if a common person like me can think this way, then why not the people who study their religion in depth.

Weren't such similar threads locked by the MODs?

for all those saying why are Hindus targeted, are you serious? Hindus are the majority in India. They have the privilege. What rubbish is this about make something about Islam etc? Also most of these movies talk about the empowerment of women so why the objection? Even in fire the names Radha and Sita were symbolic to the power that these women had and the fact that they did not need men. Just as Hindu goddesses can fight their own battles without their male counterparts, these women found their own happiness without the men in their life. Why is that offensive?

Originally posted by: anjs

I agree with what u are saying...and as much as i was shocked to know that, i understand where they are coming from... but the thing is, times have changed and at least majority of people are friends with people from different religions. So shouldn't it be logical to think and bit, that maybe what we presumed from centuries is wrong.

I think more then fundamentals being wrong, its us who have understood it wrongly. Like when I hear people say' Allah is the only God'. It sounds similar to Lord Vishnu, 'Everyone has to come to me, in the end'. It doesnt mean whether Allah or Vishnu is greater then each other, it simply means both are different names of the same entity. Its just us looking at them differently.

And then I wonder, if a common person like me can think this way, then why not the people who study their religion in depth.

@bold- Of course. What I said was not a justification of these sentiments but rather an explanation. It is wrong to teach followers of any religion that others are infidels and deserve to be converted.

@red- Agreed. The thing is Wahabi Islam or Orthodox Christianity does not accept that view. Allah or God is supreme and saying there is another way is anathema to its ideology.

Frankly, I agree with the quote 'religion is opium for the masses'. Western countries have progressed because they have tried to leave behind governing countries by the church. Studies by experts have also shown that more intelligent and aware people are less likely to be swayed by religious dogma. What does that say?

Itna emphasis on religion is bad for our society. It holds us back from focusing on real issues.