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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

It's actually amazing how SRK said speculating doesn't bother him, could be the person he is, or the unshakable edifice of stardom that he's built for himself to insulate him from such gossip, but that may not be the case with many other public figures, who could even get traumatized by innocent speculating... because, the crux of the issue here is words travel the whole world with a mere click/touch.


I think there are two kinds of celebrities. Some of them thrive in the public space. They love being the center of attention. Being talked about boosts their ego. They live by the old adage - "there is no such thing as bad publicity". SRK is one of them. I think Kareena is also like that - devil may care attitude.

The other kind of celebrity is introverted. They want to live a private life. They don't want people to discuss anything but their work. It bothers them when their personal life is discussed irrespective of whether it is positive or negative.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: apoorvaarnav

Till now I am trying to search celebs who are asexual.

But in this industry which basically runs on undertones of sex.. its very difficult.


Makes me wonder

Is it easier to come out as asexual or as bisexual/homosexual?

The industry is highly sexualized. A lot of publicity runs on link ups and affairs. So being asexual almost makes you boring.

On the other hand, India is highly homophobic. At the same time chastity, virtue, and purity are so highly rated and revered. Asexuality almost has a saintlike aura to it in certain circles.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Makes me wonder

Is it easier to come out as asexual or as bisexual/homosexual?

The industry is highly sexualized. A lot of publicity runs on link ups and affairs. So being asexual almost makes you boring.

On the other hand, India is highly homophobic. At the same time chastity, virtue, and purity are so highly rated and revered. Asexuality almost has a saintlike aura to it in certain circles.


@bold Interesting .. have never thought of it like this..

Speaking in terms of the larger public though - I feel it maybe due lack of awareness of .. the terms itself? I mean, my grandparents know about homosexuality but not asexuality .. and I really wonder what percentage of the population have heard about aro-ace or demi-pan spectrums?

What people aren't that aware of, they won't be phobic about.. I just hope the awareness isn't brought about in films through a comedic way like the "feminine gays"
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Funny that we live in a world where multiple affairs and cheating are more acceptable doors to open than sexual orientation.


You know, it is not about role models. It is about being able to identify with something. To be able to relate. To be able to exist in all spaces.

Why do you think whitewashing in Hollywood is so controversial? People of color have many role models. Why does lack of representation bother them? It is because of erasure. It is to seek visibility and validation.

Some people speculate for fun. Some people speculate as witch hunt. Some people speculate with the hopes of finding visibility and validation in a world where they feel erased. There are multiple reasons.



Depends upon the culture. I did say Bollywood audience is mostly traditional and anything that doesn't conform to their views of what is acceptable will always be resisted. One of the reason why cheating is so widely acceptable is because it is still considered within hetero domain.

Treatment of homosexuality is still like how Jews got treated in older Europe. Everyone knew they existed but nobody was really accepting of them.

White washing issue is bit more deeper than just giving role model. By not giving people of other races chance to work, Hollywood is keeping economy in hands of white people. When white person does role rather than some one from that race, the role becomes more colonial friendly. It rarely becomes accurate depiction. Most countries except Europe at some or other time were in hands of white colony. And they have preconceived notion about native and their culture that still lingers. 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Makes me wonder

Is it easier to come out as asexual or as bisexual/homosexual?

The industry is highly sexualized. A lot of publicity runs on link ups and affairs. So being asexual almost makes you boring.

On the other hand, India is highly homophobic. At the same time chastity, virtue, and purity are so highly rated and revered. Asexuality almost has a saintlike aura to it in certain circles.


Not sure how hard it is for industry people but it can be difficult to come out as asexual because people usually don't understand. More difficult if you say that you love someone.. are homoromatic or pan-romantic. It can get really hard to make people understand that a person can love someone and be happy just with hugging, caring and holding hands without the desire for too much physical intimacy and sex. Just so so hard to explain that you are in love someone without implying that you want to have sex with them. It is by default assumed.

At work or college where almost everyone is discussing relationships, hot guys or pretty girls, being an ACE can be quite lonely. But ACE people can be hopelessly romantic and they fall in love too..just that it's usually without any sexual desire or any want to see the one they love, without cloths on 😆

So technically, link-ups can happen even if someone in bollywood is an ACE but than, sex runs 99% of this World and most actors would want to 'fit-in' and not feel 'left out'.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..Khushi..


Not sure how hard it is for industry people but it can be difficult to come out as asexual because people usually don't understand. More difficult if you say that you love someone.. are homoromatic or pan-romantic. It can get really hard to make people understand that a person can love someone and be happy just with hugging, caring and holding hands without the desire for too much physical intimacy and sex. Just so so hard to explain that you are in love someone without implying that you want to have sex with them. It is by default assumed.

At work or college where almost everyone is discussing relationships, hot guys or pretty girls, being an ACE can be quite lonely. But ACE people can be hopelessly romantic and they fall in love too..just that it's usually without any sexual desire or any want to see the one they love, without cloths on 😆

So technically, link-ups can happen even if someone in bollywood is an ACE but than, sex runs 99% of this World and most actors would want to 'fit-in' and not feel 'left out'.



You spoke my mind buddy. I am in the exact same boat.

I had decided a long time ago that i don't want to get into relationships or marriage.
I am still developing the courage to tell my parents that I don't want to sleep with anybody and thats the reason I don't want to marry...I am in a very awkward situation as I am already 26 year old woman and my friends are all married..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: apoorvaarnav



You spoke my mind buddy. I am in the exact same boat.

I had decided a long time ago that i don't want to get into relationships or marriage.
I am still developing the courage to tell my parents that I don't want to sleep with anybody and thats the reason I don't want to marry...I am in a very awkward situation as I am already 26 year old woman and my friends are all married..


Yeah, my friends are all married too. But I have sort of prepared my parents on 'not marrying' part since I was in my teens. Like of course I had no idea that something like 'asexuality' existed till few months back but I still knew that I was not attracted..didn't find guys 'hot' or had any desire date them or to see them shirtless or wanted any physical intimacy with anyone maybe apart from hugs and hand holding. Still I would blush hopelessly when I would see cute love. Thought I was the only weird one in this World and that I won't ever really fall in love because everyone around me would put love and sex together and I was all for love but I didn't want physical intimacy or sex. Was happy when I figured out that I might not be a full on alien after all, when I read about asexuality. I told my parents and close friends that I am an ACE the moment I figured out lol. They anyway by now more or less have come in terms with the angle that I don't want to marry.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chudailpaapi

White washing issue is bit more deeper than just giving role model. By not giving people of other races chance to work, Hollywood is keeping economy in hands of white people. When white person does role rather than some one from that race, the role becomes more colonial friendly. It rarely becomes accurate depiction. Most countries except Europe at some or other time were in hands of white colony. And they have preconceived notion about native and their culture that still lingers. 😊


@Bold that is exactly what I am getting at

I think LGBT visibility is also deeper than just having role models. Historically, LGBT groups have also been oppressed. LGBT folk were targeted during the Holocaust along with Jews. Many countries and states do not offer job protection. Many countries do not offer marriage equality. Even in the USA it was something new. Compared to the general cis-het population, LGBT groups have far less visibility.

Having more LGBT celebrities will give LGBT a better shot at representation in entertainment and a better chance of acceptance in society.

If you look at LGBT history in the USA, the increased numbers of stars coming out as well as increased number of LGBT roles paved the way for marriage equality and better acceptance. Millenials are being seen as the queerest generation in America.

Some people speculate on Bollywood stars with the hope that something similar will happen in Bollywood. There's also an inexplicable rush when you realize someone else is part of the team.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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You have to give credit to Karan Johar for bringing it into the mainstream in India. He started off by making jokes about it and treated it in a humorous way because it was the only way to talk about it at all in a such a conservative country. And he did it in very big mainstream movies like Kal Ho Na Ho, moved it further in Dostana and finally to Kapoor and Sons.

He's also started opening up about himself and although he hasn't said the words, it's pretty clear he's gay and everyone realizes it now. Even grandma type know now. 😆

It takes a lot of courage to move the whole country forward in the way has especially because he hasn't really had much help from anyone else.

With that said, I generally dislike speculation because I feel like most of the time it's used to insult and make fun of the person. So what happens is that people started shouting gay or bisexual for actors they don't like as if it's something to be ashamed to and something that can be used to demean them.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Regarding some of the asexuality discussion.
Sex and love are two completely different things. Treat them as two separate sets that intersect. Sex and love can occur simultaneously. But you don't need love for sex. And love does not need to lead into sex. One of the biggest flaws in society is that the two are always lumped together. This is especially true in India where sex and love are so intertwined. Sex without love is frowned upon and shamed. It is also drilled in that if you find yourself loving or being emotionally vested in someone - the only next logical step is sex and relationships.

While it was easy for me to accept the fact that sex does not need love, it took me a very long time to embrace that love does not need sex.

Seems silly to think of it because as humans we love so prolifically and asexually. We love our parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, children, other relatives and friends. Each of those loves is unique. Some have an equation of reverence and respect, in others, we get the reverence and respect. Some are formal, some are very informal. With so many wide varieties of 'familial' and 'social' love, it seems silly that 'romantic' love comes only in one flavor that leads to relationship and sex.

During my 'younger' days I thought loving someone in a certain way meant I had to pursue a relationship and sex. I've probably ruined a few friendships because I was conditioned that its black and white and there is no gray zone. Now that I can better embrace emotions without tying it relationships or sex, I can better appreciate the wide varieties of friendship out there.

'Asexuality' is a new word in our social vocabulary. But like homosexuality, it has been around for a very long time. Homosexuality/bisexuality also were new words once even though they have been around for ages. Plato's "Symposium" talks about different variations of love. All the members at the symposium agreed that love beyond familial or physical needs was the highest form of love. It is the Greek work where the term "Platonic" is derived from.

Throughout history, people have had lovers outside their marriages. Not all these lovers were sexual. There are plenty of books (fiction and nonfiction history) on romantic friendships, especially in the Victorian era. Many people, especially women would form very intimate friendships, often writing emotional love letters to each other - but it was never more than friendship.

In later times cohabitation with romantic friendships or platonic marriages became more common. The "Boston Marriage" was sometimes a lesbian relationship, but sometimes was a romantic friendship. The book and movie "Fried Green Tomatoes" is one that can have multiple interpretations. Ruth and Idgie could have been lesbian lovers, they could have been just friends, or they could have been in love platonically.

So questions I would ask people who identify as "asexual" here is

Are you asexual because you don't want marriage/relationships? Or do you not want marriage/relationships because you are asexual?

The reason I ask is because asexuality does not equal no relationship. platonic marriages do exist. There are other asexual people out there who seek asexual relationships. There are people with other identities who do not mind asexual relationships. I know two people who married because they're best friends and want to spend their life together. They do sometimes date and have sex with other people. But there is no sex or chemistry within their marriage at all.

I personally do not like the idea of relationships or marriage. Not that I have some major aversion. Many of the common social expectations make me uncomfortable. Sex itself is a much lower priority. To me great conversations are the biggest turn on. But I don't identify as asexual - because I am astutely aware that I am a sexual being. I go through those phases when I am horny af and just need to get off - other people not required. I do sexualize other people. But I am completely open to the idea of relationships without sex. As long as its ok for me to have sex with others if I need to. More importantly, I don't want to have to remember to text someone everytime I'm late or my plans change etc. No inquisition please on where I am, with whom, doing what.

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