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Posted: 7 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: serendipity_10

One thing that I find weird, on one hand people say KJo is so irritating, overdose of him, people hate him, his movies are barely becoming hits, they are just so torturous, Dharma is bankrupt, half the world hates him and so on.

On the other hand, he is somehow single-handedly able to make the entire country make these 2 actors super successful. I don't know man.😆



baar baar dekho also has hit songs and kala chasma


was it a hit? no

hit song doesn't means hit film
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think both Alia and Varun are talented. Good films, hit camps, talent and luck has helped them and I wouldn't credit nepotism for anything except entry into the industry.

People from film backgrounds like Aamir, Salman, Ajay, Kajol, Rani became successful for much the same reasons.

People from non-film backgrounds like SRK, Akshay, Vidya have also become successful for the same reasons. Their entry was just different, due to tv, modelling or whatever. For example SRK would be nowhere near as successful without the YRF and Dharma camps in his film life. It's another matter that films from those camps just aren't working so much for him anymore.
Edited by Sakina3 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: lumos_31

Gunday was a success? Woah. I didn't know that. I disagree that 2 states was a hit coz of Arjun Kapoor. The film's success was a collective effort. Of story, and performances. The film's promotion too plays an important role in its success. U can't say that because the male lead delivered a hit earlier, ppl went to see only him and the film got a grand opening. I'm sure many, like me have appreciated Alia's acting in Highway and went to watch the film as her fans. Popularity doesn't absolutely depend on BO collections, the way u trying to state here.
For me, if the film has a great story but bad acting I will not watch it, or will not like it if I happen to watch it. Many will share the same view. And then, even if it gets a grand opening, the numbers don't sustain if reviews are bad. And I doubt whether Arjun wouldve been able to make that film successful on his own without Alia. If he would, then Half Girlfriend wouldve been an equally great hit as two states. Also, wouldn't have got such bad reviews.
And @bold that's exactly what I'm talking about. If critics appreciate u, it means ur on the right track. And who said nobody appreciated Randeep Hooda? He was appreciated equally in the reviews by critics.

I never said that 2 States was a Hit "only" because of Arjun. Ofcourse, it was a collective effort. I even gave Chetan Bhagat the credit. What I was saying in my first post was that, how other factors had more contribution in the successful movies of Alia.

Yes, Gunday was a success, 14 Crores opening, 73 crores of lifetime collections, verdict : Semi-Hit(which is a success according to trade).
Yes, SOTY too is a Semi-Hit, but it was released two years before 2 States. Highway was released just 2 months before 2 States, just like Gunday, so we can guess whose face was more known among the audience.

Popularity may not completely depend on box office collections, but it is measured on that basis most of the time(especially in Bollywood, which is a star-driven industry). And opening is the purest form of judging the star power of an actor, since there is no good or bad WOM on the first day. 12 Crores of opening weren't completely brought by Arjun, but he brought more than Alia.

No need to bring Half Girlfriend. First, Half Girlfriend was a bad novel, worse than 2 States. Secondly, Alia is definitely more popular than Arjun today, but I was talking about 2014.
Still the movie got an opening of around 9 Crores, which is not bad at all. BKD opening was 14 Crores, which also had Varun.

Critical appreciation doesn't means an actor is on a right track. Salman movies don't get critical acclaim, but they still become Blockbusters. Box office is what matters the most for a mainstream actor.

When Highway was hardly watched by anyone from the masses(the target audience of 2 States), then I'm not sure how anyone appreciated Alia's performance.

I was talking about the industry people, not critics.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Luna, I get ur point.
Gunday had also Ranveer Singh and Priyanka Chopra in it. So u can never be sure whether ppl came to watch 2 states majorly because it had Arjun in it.
1- there was big hype surrounding the film since it was announced, since the novel was a big hit. This was a major reason for the commercial success of the film.
2- Whoever watched Alia Bhatt in Highway, appreciated her in it. I'm not talking about the number here because honestly, u cannot generalise and say for sure. Not everyone watches the movie in theatres.
3- The pairing of Alia and Arjun was fresh. Ppl wanted to watch that. It included them both. Nobody wanted to watch just Arjun or just Alia.

What I said in my first reply to u was my personal opinion. Because the story was a clich, Arjun couldnt act. The saving grace of the film was Alia and Amrita Singh, imo.

But, even if u look at it by an unbiased point of view, u cannot judge in that manner. Neither was Gunday's success solely coz of Arjun or was Highways commercial failure solely coz of Alia. There are many other factors. And I'm sure, Alia was a well known face even before Highway released. Just coz Arjun's films with other actors in it too got good openings, it doesn't mean he's a more popular star. If that was the case, all his solo films would have been blockbusters.
U cannot judge for sure that the film got a grand opening because of one particular star who was more popular since his previous film did well. It's highly subjective.

N I don't think we should really compare Salman with these newcomers. He's a superstar, already has a fan following that is humongous, he doesn't need critical acclaim to generate fans. These kids do. If they don't work well, or act well, how will they get work? How will ppl like them? Just looks and star appeal doesn't really work when ur a newcomer. If that was the case, nobody would dislike them or criticise their acting. And if they don't have fans, how will their movies work?
So, imo...to have a foothold in the industry, u need critical acclaim. It's as important as commercial success.

Edited by lumos_31 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: edunn



baar baar dekho also has hit songs and kala chasma


was it a hit? no

hit song doesn't means hit film


I have not even mentioned hit song or film in my post 😕
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Posted: 7 years ago
#66
So many people listed some good points but OP only choose to reply those that he/she could counter back with 🤪 😉
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: EvilR

So many people listed some good points but OP only choose to reply those that he/she could counter back with 🤪 😉


Because she's not going accepting true and hard hitting facts
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I agree with Varun and Alia getting into BW because of nepotism, roles being tailored for them and also KJO having a hand in it.
But it would be very wrong to say their career is all nepotism. The people who gave them a career are the public. KJO is not so powerful that he can make people buy tickets else Dharma would not be having a single picture fail in the BO. Varun and Alia are accepted by the public who find them worthy enough to pay for a ticket.

Same like how while Salman may have recommended Kat to people it is very wrong to say he got her the career. The public ultimately decides who gets a career, insider or outsider and no power of BW has been able to change it.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nepotism may have made their life a bit easy in BW...but audience is the ultimate judge...like u took names of the sons and daughters of so many stars who failed miserably in BW..some just succeeded marginally...then how is it nepotism that works?? What explanation do you have for Salman Khan becoming a megastar...while his two loser brothers and brother-in-law...not succeeding despite getting so many chances...agar nepotism hai...toh ek Bhai ko he fayada kyon hua??
So I think people should stop crying fowl...ki nepotism is the reason behind their success...these star kids have been accepted by the public...for whatever reason..maybe looks , charisma or talent...but its not due to nepotism...when I shell out my hard earned money to see a movie..I don't care if Alia or Varun have connections in BW...i shell out my hard earned money because I know that they will entertain me...after a while nepotism doesn't work...fir chahe woh biggest star of BW , AB Sr ka beta he kyon na ho.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan



Sorry but GENRE's alone dont determine if a movie is appealable or if there is an audience for it. Every film has its own destiny. There are films that work and films that don't...and I assure you that the genre has nothing to do with it. Nobody is going to be like "omg that's an action film lets go watch it". A bad movie is a bad movie. Films like BBD and Gentlemen didnt have any audience cuz they were awful films ( and different genres. Badlapur was appealable to lots of people and that's why it worked, there was audience for it .


Yes certain genre's MAYYY open better but not ALL the time. A bad film is a bad film and will be rejected.


Also, Siddharth's Ek Villain opened at 16 crores...which is more than ABCD2, Badlapur and the same as Judwa and it wasn't a remake or sequel 😆 So for anyone who thinks Varun has "superstar potential"...Doubt it...none of the guys are actual superstars, that goes for Ranbir too. They're just the flavor of the season.

SidMal openings barring EV... HTP 4.3 Kapoor and sons 6.5 BBD 6.7 AG 3.7 Varun 5 consecutive double digits openings so that's on that! YES genre don't determine appeal and bad movie is a bad movie.. there are so many movies which had flawed screenplay tacky direction but still either manage to recover its cost or where hits bcuz of leads acting or box office pull they possess and that my friend doesn't come as complimentary if you're a star kid. Movies like ABCD2 MTH were ridiculed by critics and intellectuals of social media but still made money same with Judwaa but still a success eh? It's connect that Varun has with audience not coz of his connections. Time and time again he rose above mediocrity that was served by his directors and script writers. Finally never ever say Varun is favoured more than sidmal by kjo

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