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Posted: 8 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: clarity

YJHD without a doubt. I didn't like it the first time I watched it, but it's an entertaining watch. It has its pitfalls, but the package comes together and I connected to the characters.

ADHM was such a badly made film, salvaged only by the cast. I didn't find any complexity in it, because ultimately, it all came down to a cheesy twist that had no place in the film. The last 30 mins were unbearable. I just didn't buy AyaZeh as a couple from the very beginning, 'cause it just seemed forced to me. Their incessant quoting of classic Bollywood dialogues just made me roll my eyes. I don't think AnuBir have romantic chemistry. They were good as friends and soul mates (not of the romantic kind), but I didn't wanna root for them at any point.



They're not supposed to be a couple, that's the whole point 😆 I wonder if the movie has gone over many people's head and some part of the audience is too conditioned to accept anything other than romantic love when presented with something like this...
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Posted: 8 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking


They're not supposed to be a couple, that's the whole point 😆 I wonder if the movie has gone over many people's head and some part of the audience is too conditioned to accept anything other than romantic love when presented with something like this...


There we go again! How I am tired of this ' this movie is not for all' argument that the so called intelligent viewers come up with...🥱
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: cricketfan1


There we go again! How I am tired of this ' this movie is not for all' argument that the so called intelligent viewers come up with...🥱


Watch the movie first, then you can probably understand my post without reducing it to a comment on intelligence. I mentioned conditioning...which is very different from intelligence. Please note.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking


Watch the movie first, then you can probably understand my post without reducing it to a comment on intelligence. I mentioned conditioning...which is very different from intelligence. Please note.


Conditioning, intelligence...spin it whichever the way you like, ultimately you are undermining the other viewer's perspective of a movie, just because it doesn't match yours!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking


They're not supposed to be a couple, that's the whole point 😆 I wonder if the movie has gone over many people's head and some part of the audience is too conditioned to accept anything other than romantic love when presented with something like this...



I rephrase- KJo wanted the audience to root for AyaZeh and Ayan's love for Alizeh. That's how I interpreted it. He made Alizeh's reactions seem like she regretted marrying Ali and that she had some 'love' for Ayan. I think he was afraid to go the whole way with their dynamic and that's why he ended up with this khichdi. I do not feel he made it clear at any point in the film that Alizeh was just not in love with Ayan. He made Anushka put on this confused expression and I think that was the proverbial carrot he dangled in front of people to keep them emotionally invested in the film.

I guess I am confused 'cause I didn't understand what he was trying to convey at all. Many would have interpreted Alizeh's decision at the end as wanting to spend her life with Ayan as a partner.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: cricketfan1

Conditioning, intelligence...spin it whichever the way you like, ultimately you are undermining the other viewer's perspective of a movie, just because it doesn't match yours!


No, it's not a spin. They are two entirely different things, please look up some definitions before confounding them. If you don't want to acknowledge that they're different, it's also fine by me because I have already stated what the intent of my comment was. And I'm not undermining clarity's perspective of the movie...I'm simply saying that what she felt was exactly what they were trying to portray. There's a difference in that and what you're claiming. Another member found the movie to be shitty and try-hard but I didn't offer a comment for discussion on that because they are totally entitled to feel that way. The comment I replied to did have something that could be mentioned in context of the movie and so I did.

@clarity: Yes, I think the movie did not get through to you in the way it was meant to and you are totally entitled to ascribe that to KJo's inadequacy. Just to explain (and I'm not looking down on you as this other member is claiming, it is simply a discussion): Anushka's character was never meant to be attracted to Ayan or love him romantically...she calls him bro and tells him he hugs like she's his sister/mother...the same girl was never going to magically fall in love with him. That last scene also had the bit about friendship literally added into the dialogues that was meant to be clear.
Edited by kabeeraspeaking - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: clarity



I rephrase- KJo wanted the audience to root for AyaZeh and Ayan's love for Alizeh. That's how I interpreted it. He made Alizeh's reactions seem like she regretted marrying Ali and that she had some 'love' for Ayan. I think he was afraid to go the whole way with their dynamic and that's why he ended up with this khichdi. I do not feel he made it clear at any point in the film that Alizeh was just not in love with Ayan. He made Anushka put on this confused expression and I think that was the proverbial carrot he dangled in front of people to keep them emotionally invested in the film.

I guess I am confused 'cause I didn't understand what he was trying to convey at all. Many would have interpreted Alizeh's decision at the end as wanting to spend her life with Ayan as a partner.



Not really. Alizeh didn't regret marrying Ali because she was "in love" with Ayan. I think what KJo attempted to show was the difference b/w loving someone and being "in love" with them...Alizeh felt an emptiness in her life when she lost Ayan as a friend post her wedding...and in parallel, the biggest truth of her life was also that Ali never loved her the way she loved him...Love made her weak, almost pathetic yet she couldn't help herself...so her regrets were all about that...what being so madly in love with someone reduced her to...Ayan was her soulmate and kindered spirit, hence held a special place in her life even without her being romantically in love with him.


KJo attempted to question the traditional definitions of love with this film...because we are generally just spoonfed a diet of romantic love and happy endings...reality and people in real life are usually much more messed up and don't pick convenient situations or people to love in a rational manner.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking

Another thing I loved about ADHM, that I was just discussing with a member, so I'll credit the idea to them...is how consistent and real to life the characterization in ADHM remains till the very last moment. In life, many people can come to accept and respect other people's ideas or feelings after explanation...but very few ever so drastically change that they turn into a whole different person, ready to adopt diametrically different philosophies themselves. It's the difference between reality and fantasy.



+1.


I find it to be another one of those amusing paradoxes...the depiction of the mess of reality in a KJo film of all things😆...the harsh truth that people do not change overnight and conveniently fall in line so that happy endings are produced.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: clarity



I rephrase- KJo wanted the audience to root for AyaZeh and Ayan's love for Alizeh. That's how I interpreted it. He made Alizeh's reactions seem like she regretted marrying Ali and that she had some 'love' for Ayan. I think he was afraid to go the whole way with their dynamic and that's why he ended up with this khichdi. I do not feel he made it clear at any point in the film that Alizeh was just not in love with Ayan. He made Anushka put on this confused expression and I think that was the proverbial carrot he dangled in front of people to keep them emotionally invested in the film.

I guess I am confused 'cause I didn't understand what he was trying to convey at all. Many would have interpreted Alizeh's decision at the end as wanting to spend her life with Ayan as a partner.



this !


anushka character was shown as confused soul ! even fawad when met ranbir said she left him and found her love on those lines...which made me thought she realised her love for ranbir and came back to him...

why did she left fawad in the first place and if she found her love other than fawad ..who is that love ?because for her ranbir is not her ultimate love either ..confused as hell !!



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Posted: 8 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: clarity



I rephrase- KJo wanted the audience to root for AyaZeh and Ayan's love for Alizeh. That's how I interpreted it. He made Alizeh's reactions seem like she regretted marrying Ali and that she had some 'love' for Ayan. I think he was afraid to go the whole way with their dynamic and that's why he ended up with this khichdi. I do not feel he made it clear at any point in the film that Alizeh was just not in love with Ayan. He made Anushka put on this confused expression and I think that was the proverbial carrot he dangled in front of people to keep them emotionally invested in the film.

I guess I am confused 'cause I didn't understand what he was trying to convey at all. Many would have interpreted Alizeh's decision at the end as wanting to spend her life with Ayan as a partner.


Very well put
Even I thought after Alizeh came to know about Aayan's love for her she didn't married Ali whole heartedly and she regretted marrying him thereafter. I honestly didn't got whether Alizeh wanted Aayan as partner or friend for life or both friend or partner or what exactly

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