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Originally posted by: zaroonkashaf
The scene at the apartment in the end where they both have the big argument kind of shows that. He states in it that he has tried everything to get over her but he can't and he can't seem to understand why she can't reciprocate what he feels for her. And she states very emphatically that just because she doesn't feel the same exact way he does , doesn't mean she doesn't love him. I think that scene was one of the best scenes because you get to see where each one is coming from. She states in it that her experience in love hasn't been that great , that it has hurt her , that she just doesn't feel that way for him so in that way I feel like Karan was spot on when it comes the clarity of thought that Alizeh has. Ayaan is just someone who is madly in love with her and at every point in the movie you can see that ,whether it be the dinner scene with Saba , Ayaan and Alizeh or the sequences that lead to Channa Mereya. It takes him the entire movie to sort of come to terms with the fact that in Alizeh he has a friend for life and that's how it will be.
Well put! This is the answer to RR's question about why Alizeh couldn't come to feel that way for Ayan. She met him at a time when she was already trying to put a brave face on her mostly-ek-tarfa pyaar and over the course of the movie, that relationship only degenerates...she has no family to fall back on...and the reason she values the relationship with Ayan is because she basically takes him under her wing, cares for him and realizes that this friend can be someone who will never have any reason to 'leave' because of the way the two of them get each other (without any 'destructive' love hovering over them.) So she never really wants the relationship to go there and neither does she find him attractive (look at her type, the way Ali is vs. the way Ayan so obviously is...he is like a baby without a pram for her as she says 😆)
Originally posted by: minu_8
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But do u think Alizeh's family scenes were cut post controversy? I still feel she was supposed to be Pakistani and they changed to Lucknow. We had read if a scene with ayan and her family where he slaps ayan .. in that phone he says mere paas visa bhi nahin hai. She says main organise kar dungi.
Now he can be talking abt Indian visa also but somehow I felt it was meant to be Pakistani.. i wish the nationalities were retained as they were originally..
After the marriage sequence was over, I remembered that statement from the guy who was apparently playing Anushka's father about how nice Ranbir was about the slapping scene 😕🤣HOW did that story even happen.
Originally posted by: zaroonkashaf
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I think Alizeh was from Pakistan as well and it got changed due to the controversy. We were discussing this in another thread that perhaps because they looked like they were playing holi in the CutiePie song , which they weren't, that her being from Lucknow is indeed what was in the script from the very beginning. However when you watch the movie , you realize it ain't no Holi song. It's just about the wedding celebrations.
But people in Lahore playing with colours for any reason makes no sense! 😆 Yes, people playing with colour was definitely for the wedding celebration...but I think that if the Lahore to Lucknow change really happened, it was before that schedule was shot and not after the fact because it really makes no sense to put the colour bits in there...
Originally posted by: ViccoTurmeric
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ADHM wasn't required in the film... Easily could have been put in creditsAlizeh isn't there :( I so wanted everyone to hear that song!
Agree a lot! I think ADHM was just used to show Ayan's growing popularity and success as a singer...how he tried to distract himself by channeling his feelings into his hobby and became known for that. I also felt that little medley of old songs where they're wearing the hats/gloves wasn't required.
Originally posted by: facepalm
Reading your and VicoTurmeric's thoughts on Zeh-Ali, I think it now boils down to my personal reservations about a girl going back to the guy she dumped for legit reasons. LOL. You two didn't have any trouble putting two and two together and understanding where Zeh is coming from. But I simply cannot fathom her reasoning (or lack thereof) for taking Ali back. But yes, despite finding Zeh-Ali post contrived...I do agree that her this relationship versus how she is with Ayan makes her interesting. She is so sure of everything and keeps giving gyaan to Ayan...but when it comes to herself, all her "I-have-experienced-this-and-that" knowledge came to no use.
Ali was to Alizeh what Alizeh was to Ayan. She was more invested in her relationship and it made her a mess (which she totally knew!)...so much so that she would get emotionally manipulated and walk right back into it. Ayan was also supposed to be a total mess with regards to Alizeh. He just couldn't get why she didn't reciprocate or what he didn't have...and kept on trying again and again, couldn't keep himself away from going to her marriage when she asked, couldn't keep himself away from seeking her out again after he found out her and Ali had split. So he also kept on walking back into situations where he knew he wasn't accepted in the way he wanted and would get inevitably hurt. I think that was the idea...unrequited love makes you act a fool for the other person and ends up being painful.
Originally posted by: zaroonkashaf
Right! Man...I felt so bad for Ayaan during that whole scene where she goes back with Ali. I think that moment really gave us a glimpse of how dysfunctional Ali and Alizeh's relationship was yet it was one she just couldn't given up on. Ranbir's expressions while Ali is trying to talk to Alizeh were so spot on man! You could see that he couldn't believe what was happening when Alizeh told him that he can leave as she will talk to Ali. And he's like...I can wait..I can book tickets for you or whatever that was , man that scene got to me because of how flawless Ranbir was in those moments.
He was so good! That scene had another laugh-in-the-middle-of-an-intense-moment thing going on when he just wouldn't understand that she wanted him to go...and he goes "To London?" 🤓😆 It was also very impactful as a standalone scene when you think of how sometimes a friend is knowingly making very bad decisions and you don't want them to go through with it...so you try your best to take them away from the situation or assist them in some or every way from walking into the hole...but they don't want that help in that moment and you're kind of just left feeling distanced and betrayed. Ranbir portrayed that brilliantly.
Originally posted by: princessunara
Ayan.. was very childlike. one thing I liked was that instead of this big heartbreak totally changing him, he still was childlike.. little more mature.. that he wouldn't cry at the drop of a hat.. but still retained the core personality of the guy of the first part of the movie.. from the promos etc I expected totally different.. that he would be intense, pissed off etc..
The scene where he was crying in the bathroom stall after finding out about Alizeh's cancer! 😆 Yes, they did stay true to characterization.
Originally posted by: starstruckk
Also, the audience kept continuously laughing throughout the first half of the movie. The humor actually is quite funny..contrary to how most people felt while watching the trailer or teasers. It was also nice to hear people cheer when SRK showed up but I was pleasantly surprised to hear people cheer when Fawad showed up as well..especially after all the drama that has occurred.
I can corroborate this. There was a whole row of aunties behind us who were laughing at EVERYTHING 😆 I was shocked at how much the dialogues were working for them...esp because I came out lukewarm from the first half.
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