VB : I am not anti-national but will comment on what is anti-human!

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Posted: 10 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: bips
Ok i am confused - if you boycott a film means you dont watch it... But if you dont watch it how do you know if it should be boycotted?

So someone starts a trend on social media and ppl just follow it blindly without knowing what the movue actually potrays

P.s. : every military instituion should be strong enough and tolerant enough to all criticism... Do you know where nothing can be said against the army - in pakistan... And this has ruined their democracy bec the army is above all

There is no comparison.

Indian army has no say. Nothing.

The other country's army beheaded Indian soldiers earlier this year. What happened? Nothing!

Whether people will watch a film or not is their own decision. But Indians definitely do not worship army nor the army has any influence or great privilege/power.

Army is saddled with lot more issues than yelp on a film. The general public found it offensive and this is the first time I have seen Indians take a stand for the army. In a democratic country they have every right to register protest. Or demand balanced POV.

Issue is that army hasn't even been shown grey. It's outright black. Most are not saying why army was criticised but why it was shown as sole culprit when it is not.

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Gubbara.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: bips

Duh! Bec it is a bolloywood forum not the current affairs section... And you obviously missed the many tv and newspaper reports applauding the army for their tremendous effort

No one denies that the army keeps a country safe. But it does not mean that they do not err or there are no people in the army that have not abused their power.

Then how come countless threads on rapes, conflicts in gaza etc etc land in this section and reaches upto 20-30 pages

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vssaras

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Posted: 10 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: monu_tan

When there is no way to identify a terrorist then these things are bound to happen. Agar terrorist ke sarr par seeng hote toh i agree its highly deplorable to punish innocents.

I am a citizen of India..therefore I have full belief that my country would work in my interests...it would safeguard me against injustice!..I would not like to be punished for a crime I have not committed..that is my basic right as a human being & an Indian!...i think the Kashmiris have the right to expect the same!..

I also agree that terrorists are a big no-no...I would want the Army to protect India against the invaders..

That's why I said its a catch-22...

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Scorpio_Velvet

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Posted: 10 years ago

#34

Films like KPC has handled sensitive issues with a lot of maturity. You need to show both sides of the story.

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Enycedoll

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Posted: 10 years ago

#35

this is why NATIONALISM SUCKS.

Can't speak out because its considered UNPATRIOTIC. drink a cool-aid, will ya?

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982969

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Posted: 10 years ago

#36

I haven't seen the movie, so won't comment on the content. But if people are talking about freedom of speech and expression, then it works both way. If people wanna protest and boycott, then it's their right and will, when the same freedom is enjoyed by the director. I think people are defending director's freedom and not the boycotters cuz they know it'll affect the movie...😆

People are always protesting when it comes to religion, then why the problem if protest is happening to defend the army ? I don't see any issue here...

Edited by Fiery.Phoenix - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: Enycedoll
this is why NATIONALISM SUCKS.
Can't speak out because its considered UNPATRIOTIC. drink a cool-aid, will ya?

I would put religion over nationalism when it comes to the sucking part 😆 Just say one negative thing about someone's religion and prole gi nuts 😆 Considering religious discussions are prohibited here shows how intolerable folks are. Compared to religious protests of every other day, this one seems quite tolerable 😆

Edited by Fiery.Phoenix - 10 years ago

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poppy2009

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Posted: 10 years ago

#38

Have any of you guys read Basahrat Peer's book on which the script / story of Haider is based?

He actually goes on to accuse the Indian Army of funding a Terrorist based organization in Kashmir for an anti-insurgency operation against Kashmiri Muslims.

I will just say one thing...if VB truly wanted to show both sides of the Kashmir conflict, why base your story on a book that is so fatally flawed and strongly anti-army?

And fine, India is a democracy, everyone has the right to express themselves in any way possible (even if it is reporting half-truths and giving a distorted version of reality), then why this hypocricy towards the end of the film, where the Army was thanked for their effort to help the Kashmiri's during floods?

It was simply an act of appeasment, so that the censor boards would give the nod for the film's release. Nothing more.

Also...an entire movie based on the plight of Kashmiri Muslims and what they suffered and just a passing mention of Kashmiri Hindus's, who were ruthlessly driven out of their own home state or else mass-murdered? What will impress the audience more? What is shown or what is just mentioned?

If VB really wanted to show an anti-human film, then he would have dedicated at least one portion of the film, where he actually 'showed' what Kashmiri Hindus's suffered there, instead of just 'mentioning' them in passing. If what happened with Kashmiri Muslim's is anti-human, then what about what happened to Kashmiri Hindu's? Don't they deserve a valid voice?

I saw Haider yesterday and I was quite pissed off with VB's version of what happened in Kashmir.

IMO, Haider is a deeply biased film, which is made worse because VB doesn't even have the guts to say that he has indeed made a film which speaks strongly against the Indian Army and the Indian State. He tries to gloss over it by offering lollipops in the end by thanking the Army, when clearly the entire film paints them as the biggest villains in Kashmir.

I can see why some members who have probably lived in J&K or are Kashmiri Hindu's are butt hurt. Anyone would be in their place. Its a very offensive and hurtful film from their point of view.

PS: Btw, I am not upset that the film showed only the Kashmiri Muslim POV...what annoyed me to no extent was that VB did not even have the courage to say what he was trying to say in clear and simple terms. He showed something and is pretending that it is not the case and that he has indeed made a very unbiased film. When clearly, he has not.

Edited by poppy2009 - 10 years ago