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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nitu_TheTwisted


nobody had expected KAHAANI to fetch a great opening, u can google what komal nahta said before the release, the trailer said that the film will rely on the word of mouth and same was with Paan Singh Tomar

Whatever it gets, Kahaani has indeed Boosted Vidya's power to much higher level because she was carrying the film on the shoulders, also one plus point was the budget, Kahaani wouldn't have flopped even with such a low opening.

Kareena hasn't given a solo movie that can actually tell her box office pull. Her chameli was a failure and after that she never dared to try her luck to lead the PACK. So Heroine is a Test For her. All her movies getting great openings shall have their heroes grabbing the credit. the only plus for her that she is an established star but the credit doesn't belong to her. but heroine clicks the credit will be hers


You cant use Chameli against her. You cant be serious.
Chameli came out in 2003. The audience taste back then was differnet. It was the era of candy floss Yash Raj glossy films. The era of Main Hoon Nas and Kal Ho Na Hos and really REALLY commercial cinema.
ANd Kareena was just a newcomer with no starpower. Chameli, an art film.

Her first solo acid test is NOW.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90


You cant use Chameli against her. You cant be serious.
Chameli came out in 2003. The audience taste back then was differnet. It was the era of candy floss Yash Raj glossy films. The era of Main Hoon Nas and Kal Ho Na Hos and really REALLY commercial cinema.
ANd Kareena was just a newcomer with no starpower. Chameli, an art film.

Her first solo acid test is NOW.


Well i Guess not ! Chameli was supposed to be Anand Bahalani's film who past movies joggers' park and mumbai matinee did reasonably good business at the box office. he approached with the title role. actually the role was written for Antara Mali in the first place. Anant Bahalani i guess died during the making of the movie. and Sudhir mishra was roped in to salvage. Sudhir mishra couldn't do justice to the film and tampered the script as well. even in 2003 multiplex kinda films were working and that's how a film like jogger's park became a success. Chameli was bent by Sudhir mishra.

Well kareena was established by then. how can you call her NEW...her poo character in KWG became a rage did i need to say, she was already successful, she took a bold step and failed so what lots of actresses do. What you want to say that Star Power lays more importance. and I want to say that the overall success of the film enhance the Star Power. Openings don't make movies successful their long run does, even a week is enough. Sure we may not judge Kareena on the basis of Chameli that's why we need to see what heroine does
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-

Did you see Page 3? That was really good too. IMO Chandini Bar and Page 3 were Madhur's most honest films. After those every actress wanted Madhur on her resume. He was spoilt for choice. Thats why I wish people cast 'actors' not stars in their films.



I was just going to write the same.. Page 3 was superb..

Shreya.. we should interact more often.. I think we are at the same wavelength..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

Yes but the budgets of those films were so low, that its much easier to get a "hit" tag. For instance, We Are Family (average) made more than some of her hits. Its just the budget was larger so it was declared an average (hit abroad)


Vidya's contribution is that she chooses GREAT films. She does GREAT films, no doubt about it, and credit where due. But starpower is the ability to turn bad films into hits.
Like Bodyguard. (Salman's credit, NOT Kareena's)

Its differnet to start off low and then through word of mouth have a film become a hit. That's not just the actor, but the film overall that should also be credited. But if a film's OPENING is strong, that has nothing to do with content.
It has everything to do with what pulled audiences in the first place, coz they sure didnt see the film yet. That's where starpower comes in.

P.S.
The Dirty Picture was anything BUT a boring artsy film.

And as for Kahaani, GREAT that it became a hit. But the opening was really low. It grew with word of mouth, and ofcourse credit Vidya for a great performance.
Paan Singh Tomar was also a hit, but we cant really say Irfan Khan has starpower, though he's a tremendous actor.

I disagree that with a low budget movie its easy to get a hit tag. Infact the task becomes even more uphill. Have you for instance heard of movies like Fatso, Gattu? No one even knows they exist, let alone go to watch it in theaters. If a low budget movie has to be noticed it again needs a star like Vidya or Rani so that there is some media buzz. In that respect Vidya certainly is a star.
Also IMO Kareena is a glam girl alright but she doesnt enjoy confidence of movie goers like Vidya or gulp Katrina(for different reasons). Every movie she has had another decently well known star along with her. And I would credit the opening her movies got to BOTH Kareena and her costar.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ChillMahaul-



I was just going to write the same.. Page 3 was superb..

Shreya.. we should interact more often.. I think we are at the same wavelength..

Yeah we certainly should interact more often. But I guess our timings dont match. 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: .SB.



I agree with everything you've written.I would also add Traffic Signal to the list.The movies were FAB and such detailing.Laajawab!👏

I havent watched Traffic Signal. But I remember when I watched Page3 while coming out of the theatre I was telling my friend that now I need ANOTHER film to get over this one. It was so hard-hitting. But I liked how he told the story of Page 3 from the eyes of an outsider.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-

Yeah we certainly should interact more often. But I guess our timings dont match. 😆



yeaahh I guess they don't..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-



I disagree that with a low budget movie its easy to get a hit tag. Infact the task becomes even more uphill. Have you for instance heard of movies like Fatso, Gattu? No one even knows they exist, let alone go to watch it in theaters. If a low budget movie has to be noticed it again needs a star like Vidya or Rani so that there is some media buzz. In that respect Vidya certainly is a star.
Also IMO Kareena is a glam girl alright but she doesnt enjoy confidence of movie goers like Vidya or gulp Katrina(for different reasons). Every movie she has had another decently well known star along with her. And I would credit the opening her movies got to BOTH Kareena and her costar.


Depends on how low the budget is. Low that there is not enough promotions for the film, then it suffers.
The task was uphill before, but now thanks to social media sites like twitter, even small budget films get the attention they deserve.
If the trailer is good enough, it gets enough mileage and coverage thanks to a few famous people tweeting it, and it goes from there.
NOKJ was quite all over the place. Even its promotions and publicity were pretty active. When you have stars attending events, then you cant really say the film had a difficult time or is unheard of.
So yes, obviously once you have a star attached, the film gets more mileage, but then dont forget that its that much easier to recover the money if the film itself is good.




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Posted: 13 years ago
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talking abt star power...why couldn't salman do with phir milenge aamir couldn't do with dhobhi ghat or shahrukh couldn't do with Billu Barber because the content of all these movies were never expected to strike with the audiences...the openings of all these films were low or below average, now where does the star power go. we actually bash the audiences for being crude towards good films but where money is concerned they are smarter.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Star power is such an out-dated concept.

Its the product as a whole that sells. A good promotional and marketing campaign that entice's people into the cinema hall. Sure, there's face value that helps a film but other than maybe 5 people there's no one who has a strong enough fan following to get a good opening without a good marketing campaign. Kareena is not one of them.

You can plug just about anyone with some face value into Heroine and the film won't lose a beat. If the film does well, it won't be a testament to Kareena's star-power just like Fashion wasn't to PC's. These are big budget, glamorous films with huge marketing campaigns behind them. They are expected to do open well.


And btw EMAET had a very average opening. One of the worst for a KJo film. It only picked up on Sunday due to WOM. Friday and Saturday were below par.


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