SAIF a GAREEB NAWAB says KOENA MITRA after KWK

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nalinidj

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Posted: 14 years ago

#171

Originally posted by: desigal90
I understand where you're coming from though Nalini, and I respect your views. I just cant shake off mine, lol.
Good discussion though, agreed 😊

We can agree on how cute Kareena looks in your signature though, right?😉

And different beliefs is what makes the world go around, unless it is threatening some-one else's space like terrorism.

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Posted: 14 years ago

#172

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Neeta

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Posted: 14 years ago

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okay, so getting a surgery done due to mental insecurities isn't as 'attention-worthy' as poverty and/or malnutrition because the former is the individual's decision due to a passable 'state of mind' and the latter is a major problem?

well, let me connect the dots here. poverty and malnutrition didn't pop out of nowhere, people decided to have n number of kids either because they wanted more helping hands or because they wanted a male child (two of the most widespread reasons) things didn't exactly work out that way and the plans went haywire. result? poverty and malnutrition.

now, someone suffers from depression due to his/her looks and decides to go under the knife to look more beautiful. things don't exactly go according to the plan and it gets botched up. result? bad surgery and more depression.

the entire world works around the 'cause and effect' theory. my issue is that why is it that the effect is being emphasized upon in the first case and the cause in the second? how is 'getting a surgery done' any more personal a decision than 'giving birth to 11 kids'? just because the effect due the latter is more widespread and global, doesn't mean that the former isn't a problem or is completely 'made up' or exaggerated.

mental disorders are associated more with the west primarily because people come out with it more often and consult shrinks regularly, whereas in India 'depression' is something that a student feels after flunking a class test; the knowledge doesn't go beyond that. lack of awareness =/= lack of problem. just because westerners decide to go for divorce due to a bad marriage and indians decide to stick through it for whatever reason, doesn't mean that divorce is a made up issue.

coming to the topic, I did feel that the comment was harsh and insensitive. she had a bad surgery, fine, there's no need to rub it in her face and publicly denounce her. like someone else pointed out, calling a fat person 'fat' in public is mean and hurtful. he should have dodged the question in the first place because taking names just isn't the most graceful thing to do when it comes to questions like these.

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Zareena

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Posted: 14 years ago

#174

oh i got your point now^^

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ladygaga

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Posted: 14 years ago

#175

Poverty and overpopulation are not just personal problems these are problems whose overall affect is slowing down the whole nation. These are more glaring issues for the whole country compared to some celeb being picked in kitty party over a bad botox job or a surgery. The consequences of poverty and overpopulation affect an entire nation in a much more profound way than some page 3 bombay celeb's surgical adventures, and mind you these surgeries are something they do with their own will for their own vanity and most of them are not diagnosed with any serious condition. And just because people are having 10 kinds and rotting there without any food, shealter and basic necessities means that they should be left alone??? No something should be done about it in terms of spreading awareness and it is done by gov plans.. i know.. but still there are so many poverty stricken areas that do need attention and a collective effort.. And for me yes that is an issue that for a society should be the top priority.. About personal issues with vanity, if they take the decision to do plastic surgery, they should be prepared for the consequences and should make a well thought decision. Most of the people who are below poverty line are not even literate enough to take well examined decisions, so yes i personally think society on the whole should help them out.

About Saif mentioning Koena, as i have said many times, when she chose to become a celebrity... she must have realized that she would be exposed to media, people and everything. Taking criticism is a huge part of being a public figure!! And I talked about stereotypes earlier.. because her case is the most drastic one.. she is the one who gets named often.. like in west MJ used to be named.. and even when we think of worst plastic surgery cases.. MJ's name is always taken.. And no i don't think saif is being hypocritical either.. because of the context of question asking the worst case.. so i think a lot of celebrity in the past have also answered like Saif..

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Neeta

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Posted: 14 years ago

#176

Originally posted by: ladygaga
Poverty and overpopulation are not just personal problems these are problems whose overall affect is slowing down the whole nation. These are more glaring issues for the whole country compared to some celeb being picked in kitty party over a bad botox job or a surgery. The consequences of poverty and overpopulation affect an entire nation in a much more profound way than some page 3 bombay celeb's surgical adventures, and mind you these surgeries are something they do with their own will for their own vanity and most of them are not diagnosed with any serious condition. And just because people are having 10 kinds and rotting there without any food, shealter and basic necessities means that they should be left alone??? No something should be done about it in terms of spreading awareness and it is done by gov plans.. i know.. but still there are so many poverty stricken areas that do need attention and a collective effort.. And for me yes that is an issue that for a society should be the top priority.. About personal issues with vanity, if they take the decision to do plastic surgery, they should be prepared for the consequences and should make a well thought decision. Most of the people who are below poverty line are not even literate enough to take well examined decisions, so yes i personally think society on the whole should help them out.

About Saif mentioning Koena, as i have said many times, when she chose to become a celebrity... she must have realized that she would be exposed to media, people and everything. Taking criticism is a huge part of being a public figure!! And I talked about stereotypes earlier.. because her case is the most drastic one.. she is the one who gets named often.. like in west MJ used to be named.. and even when we think of worst plastic surgery cases.. MJ's name is always taken.. And no i don't think saif is being hypocritical either.. because of the context of question asking the worst case.. so i think a lot of celebrity in the past have also answered like Saif..

basically, you didn't get my point at all.

am I saying bad botox job = poverty? nope.

am I saying that depression and other mental disorders should not be denounced or overridden by poverty and malnutrition? yes.

I mentioned bad botox case because that's what the topic is about and apparently it's okay to humiliate her because mental disorders is a laughable and passable issue.

in general, depression is as widespread as cold and cough. 1 out of every 4 people in the world are suffering from depression. with some folks it gets serious and ends up getting snowballed into something bigger (a whole wide spectrum of disorders) or culminates in impulsive decisions or even suicide.

if people fake depression; then people fake poverty to get certain cheap benefits like subsidized products aswell. there's exaggeration everywhere; you can't just say slam one problem area as grey and the other as completely black. there's no such thing as the 'ideal problem'. there are discrepancies everywhere.

women's empowerment wasn't such a big of an issue until the feminist movement came along. now it's considered equivalent to poverty. does that mean that the problem wasn't serious before? why is it so necessary for a problem to be in the spotlight to be even considered a 'problem'?

the government should help the poor; that's a fact. but that doesn't mean that any other problem is any less in magnitude. every problem deserves it's due attention.

MJ was panned for his surgeries much more than necessary - I think everyone knows that he faced alot of unnecessary flak because of it. my stance doesn't change. just because it had become commonplace to take MJ's name in public in response to a bad botox case doesnt' mean it was justified.

Edited by CZ.. - 14 years ago

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Posted: 14 years ago

#177

this conversation will go nowhere it is not like biased fans will change their views!!! it is very simple KOENA DID NOT DESERVE A PUBLIC HUMILLIATION!!!!! saif shud know since he himself has gone throught botox, i felt it was immature on his part to say such a thing!

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ladygaga

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Posted: 14 years ago

#178

Originally posted by: CZ..

basically, you didn't get my point at all.

am I saying bad botox job = poverty? nope.

am I saying that depression and other mental disorders should not be denounced or overridden by poverty and malnutrition? yes.

I mentioned bad botox case because that's what the topic is about and apparently it's okay to humiliate her because mental disorders is a laughable and passable issue.

in general, depression is as widespread as cold and cough. 1 out of every 4 people in the world are suffering from depression. with some folks it gets serious and ends up getting snowballed into something bigger (a whole wide spectrum of disorders) or culminates in impulsive decisions or even suicide.

if people fake depression; then people fake poverty to get certain cheap benefits like subsidized products aswell. there's exaggeration everywhere; you can't just say slam one problem area as grey and the other as completely black. there's no such thing as the 'ideal problem'. there are discrepancies everywhere.

women's empowerment wasn't such a big of an issue until the feminist movement came along. now it's considered equivalent to poverty. does that mean that the problem wasn't serious before? why is it so necessary for a problem to be in the spotlight to be even considered a 'problem'?

the government should help the poor; that's a fact. but that doesn't mean that any other problem is any less in magnitude. every problem deserves it's due attention.

MJ was panned for his surgeries much more than necessary - I think everyone knows that he faced alot of unnecessary flak because of it. my stance doesn't change. just because it had become commonplace to take MJ's name in public in response to a bad botox case doesnt' mean it was justified.

How does a mental disorder or depression come in Koena's case?? She does not suffer from any depression or mental illness she got that surgery just to enhance her beauty and her getting that has got nothing to do with her suffering from clinical depression. Not everyone who gets a surgery suffers from depression.. So they get it for their own benefit and they are public figures and they get judged.

Edited by ladygaga - 14 years ago

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MercurialMedusa

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Posted: 14 years ago

#179

Public humiliation ??? 😲 but isn't her PS thing evident from her face 😕 its not like Saif has said something which is not true now did he ? 🤔 I do agree that instead of naming anyone he should have chosen to say no comments.. but he chose to answer and gave a name which according to HIM was worst case of Botox.... I am sure his intent was definitely not to ridicule or humiliate Koena.. he just said a name which immediately came to his mind when asked about PS which happened to be Koena... What did u expect him to say that Saif Ali khan is the worst case of PS and Botox 😕

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Neeta

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Posted: 14 years ago

#180

Originally posted by: ladygaga

How does a mental disorder or depression come in Koena's case?? She does not suffer from any depression or mental illness she got that surgery just to enhance her beauty and her getting that has got nothing to do with her suffering from clinical depression. Not everyone who gets a surgery suffers from depression.. So they get it for their own benefit and they are public figures and they get judged.

I should have worded the statement differently, my bad. I basically meant 'if she had a surgery due to depression or any other disorder'. either way, it wasn't okay to name her on national television as the perfect example of a bad botox case.

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