What was so special about Veer Zaara? - Page 6

wow the whole thread about veer zara has now officially become an 'lets call Ash Names' thread.

Originally posted by: pragya0

wow the whole thread about veer zara has now officially become an 'lets call Ash Names' thread.

lagey Raho! whatever makes you sleep easy.

This is what the OP (original post / poster) stated:

Originally posted by: eroticlover

I have read that Aish lost out on doing Veer Zaara and that it was very detrimental to her career. You honestly think I would have wanted to see Rani steal the show? Well, Rani did steal the show. Critics would have had a field day bashing Aish and praising Rani to the skies. Aish did not get along with Rani at this time. Aish did a good career move and working with SRK/Rani in the same frame would have been a nightmare for me. 😕

Preity was decent in her role, but anyone could have done it. Even Biphasa Basu could have done that worthless role. Mani Ratnam, Ashtoush Gowariker, and so many directors Aish has worked with post Devdas have given her better roles than Veer Zaara. Has anyone forgot Jodhaa Akbar, Umrao Jaan, Guru, and the recent Raavan? All these roles had more depth than Zaara anyday.

Veer Zaara was a lame movie and gave me a major migrane. I had to take a lot of aspirin to recover. Anyway, Veer Zaara was not a make or break for Aish. She is still on top today, whereas Rani and Preity are long gone. Isn't it funny how destiny plays out? Aish succeeded without SRK all these years! 😆

This thread is about the film Veer-Zaara? Well, newsflash folks, this thread is more of a comparison between Ash and Rani/Preity than about the movie VZ. Yeah, the name of the thread surely is about the film, but the OP? What else do you (not directing this specifically at 'you' Pragya; 'you' is a third person here) expect from such an OP which starts with how successful Aishwariya has become as an actress/celeb 'now' and how unsuccessful Rani and Preity have become (look at the red line).

Let's not try to sugar-coat what the intention of the OP is. This thread is NOT about the film Veer-Zaara. It is not even about Ash leaving VZ. This is more about Ash vs. Rani/Preity (and the OP is there to prove it; just read the bolded lines).

Granted people should not have brought Ash's personal life here (Vivek, etc), but talking about or comparing Ash with Rani/Preity is a fair deal; after all, that's what this topic asked us for, right?

If comparing or analyzing Ash's career with that of Rani or Preity is a No-No here, then this topic should be closed, as this whole topic is about that.

Originally posted by: eroticlover

I have read that Aish lost out on doing Veer Zaara and that it was very detrimental to her career. You honestly think I would have wanted to see Rani steal the show? Well, Rani did steal the show. Critics would have had a field day bashing Aish and praising Rani to the skies. Aish did not get along with Rani at this time. Aish did a good career move and working with SRK/Rani in the same frame would have been a nightmare for me. 😕

Preity was decent in her role, but anyone could have done it. Even Biphasa Basu could have done that worthless role. Mani Ratnam, Ashtoush Gowariker, and so many directors Aish has worked with post Devdas have given her better roles than Veer Zaara. Has anyone forgot Jodhaa Akbar, Umrao Jaan, Guru, and the recent Raavan? All these roles had more depth than Zaara anyday.

Veer Zaara was a lame movie and gave me a major migrane. I had to take a lot of aspirin to recover. Anyway, Veer Zaara was not a make or break for Aish. She is still on top today, whereas Rani and Preity are long gone. Isn't it funny how destiny plays out? Aish succeeded without SRK all these years! 😆

The name of this thread should have been: "Who is more successful? Ash or Rani/Preity?" Frankly, from which angle does this post scrutinize or even ask members to voice their opinions on the film? It is blatantly obvious what the purpose of this thread is, and while there is inherently nothing wrong with comparing two (or more) actresses and their professional choices (Ash vs. Rani/Preity), you should have made your intentions clear and not mislead members to enter the topic with a fairly irrelevant and misleading title (maybe hat wasn't your intention, but you should have clarified your stance later).

I find the name of the thread to be highly deceiving and deceitful in nature.

And hon "erotic" lover, there is this thing called "fan club" - if your intention is solely (judging not from this topic only but by reading ALL your posts) to praise any particular actor sky-high, then a fan club would suit your needs more. If however you are here for an intellectual discussion, then welcome.

Thanks for pointing.

Originally posted by: pragya0

Thanks for pointing.

when I say name calling it means dragging her personal life calling her an user etc.

Now thats just plain horrible in my opinion.

And Im in no way supporting the OP, pls point out where I have.

I completely agree with you here. People should not have brought Ash's personal life here. There is other way of dissing Ash (if that is ones intention) without bringing her personal life into account. Personally, I don't like Ash (and that has to do more with her onscreen personality than anything else), and whenever I'd like to criticize her - I do it by talking about her acting incapability, icy personality etc, NOT by bringing Salman and Vivek (which seems to be quite a good excuse for people who dislike her to bash and thrash Ash). Talking about her onscreen personality or acting capabilities or lack thereof is a fair deal, I think; talking about her personal life isn't.

Originally posted by: princessunara

and any1 talking abt Preity n Rani's careers. yah sure they havent given any hits recently.so wt? Ash didn't give hits all the time either! if u just count the hits against their names respectively Preity n Rani even 2day have got a higher ratio of successful movies!
Rani-Preity rocked the end of 90s n till 2006..with almost a hit every single year!has Ash done that?

Ash went through the exact same phase that Rani/Preity is going through now. After Devdas (which was released on July 2002), Ash did NOT have a single "hit" on her credit until she did Dhoom2 (November, 2006) - where her performance was heavily criticized by both fans and critics alike for being "artificial" and "unconvincing". She was struggling with her career, and most people called her a "gone for good" during that phase, which lasted roughly four and half years. Compared with that, KANK was released in mid 2006, and it has been roughly four years that Rani/Preity had a hit. Granted Ash had "critically acclaimed performances" that everyone raved about during that time, but then, even Rani/Preity gave performances during the last four years which got them accolades and awards (Heaven on Earth, LCMD, DBH). It's not as if Ash did not have thousand contacts behind her back as well. Franly, all of them - Ash, Preity, Kajol and esp. Rani had contacts to make their career move forward.

Also, being "successful" does not mean being talented. For instance, Manisha Koirala isn't a very successful actress, but she definitely is a lot more talented than any other actresses we had in this whole decade (except perhaps a few). On the contrary, Katrina is successful, but even her fans admit she isn't talented.

And if Rani/Preity had SRK/KJo/YRF behind their back - Ash had Sanjay Leela Bhansali (God knows what would have happened to this lady if it weren't for him!), Mani Ratnam, Ashka Gowarikar, etc swooning for her. Most male directors are crazy about taking her on their respective films, and it is blatantly obvious why. 😆 Has any female director ever wanted to cast Ash? 😆 Or KJo? 😉

Take away her "beauty" and you are left with an ordinary star who can't act to save her life. Frankly, Ash is a worse actor than a Katrina or a Deepika. At least Kat and Deepika never got the chance to work with top, brilliant directors like Mani or SLB. If SLB, Mani Ratnam and Ashka Gowarikar fails to make her act - then she is a lost cause. Kat and Deepika both are improving, but Ash? How much did she improve with her acting throughout her whole 13-years-old career, especially when she had all the top directors on her hand? 🤔

Aishwariya's expressions are cold and icy most of the time, and her dialogue delivery? Grr, don't even let me get started on that. Her dialogue delivery must be the weakest aspect of her acting. Make her stand in the corner of a room, and you have a beautiful showpiece to look at. Now make her talk - she makes me cringe with her dialogue delivery. Firstly, her voice is a turn off for me, as there is no depth into it, like there isa depth in Rani's/Priyanka's/Vidya's voice, and secondly, her dialogues come off as forced and memorized - not something that she should be saying from her heart.

Yeah, she is a beautiful woman, but her beauty does not translate into good acting, unfortunately.

Disclaimer: Doing what the topic starter asked us for - analyzing her professional career without bringing her personal life into account. If there is any objection to it, then the topic should be closed first (as the topic itself asks and talks about her professional life, comparing it with two other actresses, namely Rani and Preity; it's all their in the OP) - it's not as if I am talking out of the box.

i find it a bit hypocritical that people have no problems when there are quite clear snide remarks (that don't require me to read between the lines to guess the implications) about rani and preity, but find it offensive when the same is done with ash...

personally, i hate all these comparisons... they have all made a place for themselves... they all have received critical acclaim as well... just because preity's career is not going well at this time (mind it, this time comes in the life of EVERY actor and actress), then people just make it out to be that she never really had any contributions at all...

personally, i loved veer zaara... and keeping on topic, it did a lot for all the people that were involved in that project...!!


special thanks to PhoeniXof_Hades for your post... sole voice of reason on this thread, i must admit... as for acting abilities, everyone perceives it differently... :)

Originally posted by: Illogical

i find it a bit hypocritical that people have no problems when there are quite clear snide remarks (that don't require me to read between the lines to guess the implications) about rani and preity, but find it offensive when the same is done with ash...

personally, i hate all these comparisons... they have all made a place for themselves... they all have received critical acclaim as well... just because preity's career is not going well at this time (mind it, this time comes in the life of EVERY actor and actress), then people just make it out to be that she never really had any contributions at all...

personally, i loved veer zaara... and keeping on topic, it did a lot for all the people that were involved in that project...!!


special thanks to PhoeniXof_Hades for your post... sole voice of reason on this thread, i must admit... as for acting abilities, everyone perceives it differently... :)

Originally posted by: Illogical

i find it a bit hypocritical that people have no problems when there are quite clear snide remarks (that don't require me to read between the lines to guess the implications) about rani and preity, but find it offensive when the same is done with ash...

personally, i hate all these comparisons... they have all made a place for themselves... they all have received critical acclaim as well... just because preity's career is not going well at this time (mind it, this time comes in the life of EVERY actor and actress), then people just make it out to be that she never really had any contributions at all...

personally, i loved veer zaara... and keeping on topic, it did a lot for all the people that were involved in that project...!!


special thanks to PhoeniXof_Hades for your post... sole voice of reason on this thread, i must admit... as for acting abilities, everyone perceives it differently... :)

Has any female director ever wanted to cast Ash? 😆 Or KJo? 😉 Leena yadav and Gurinder Chaddha are men disguised as women I guess? As for Kjo isnt it obvious?