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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

MY OPINION and NOT a FACT:

I never found Preity's acting to be convincing enough. Her acting - especially in high-dramatic, crying scenes - seemed forced. Kya Kehna, Dil Chahta Hai, Chori Chori Chupke Chupke, Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega, even Kal Ho Na Ho and Armaan and most especially Salam Namaste and Koi Mil Gaya - she hammed throughout all the movies. She overacted, underacted, at times made me cringe with her hammy performances. I, for one, found her to be absolutely unconvincing as the single mother in Kya Kehna, the prostitute in Chori Chori Chupke Chupke (especially this!). She was good in Veer-Zaara, but Rani overshadowed her big time (btw, Rani received several awards for her performance in VZ as supporting actress, including Sabsey Favorite Kaun heroine, being the first actress to win this award from a supporting role category, whereas Preity received a few awards for main actress for this movie - again, Rani overshadowed her in Hum Tum - which wasn't even as big a hit as VZ, and yet Rani ended up receiving the best actress awards in almost all big award ceremonies), which sort of digressed her. Yeah, she was unlucky that, that year she got overshadowed by better performances, but then, looking at her career graph, she did win a few awards for Kal Ho Na Ho - which was not undeserving IMHO. Watch Urmilla in Bhoot, you'd see what true acting is. Even Tabu in Maqbool deserved a few awards - if not more. I was so glad when Urmilla won the awards in Screen, Zee Cine, and many other award functions, and this isn't because I don't like Preity - in fact I like her way more than Urmilla. She was tolerable in KANK - but I guess her character won over her acting; though I will give the credit where it is due - she (along with Abhi) were only few good things about the film (Rani made me cringe there!).well the one point I can agree 4m ur lot!cz if Kajol was bad in K3G Rani was utterly a disaster in her character in KANK..unbearable..so *cringe* is the right word:(( Now Heaven on Earth - she was brilliant there. Dil Se...okay, I guess, but then, Mani Ratnam can even make Aishwariya act. 😆 i'll overlook that abt Ash as ts nt abt her we r talking here!😉
and may i remind u that instead of comparing Dil Se(Preity's 1st) n Yuva (Rani's 24th film)cz of a common director compare the two debut films of them!meaning compare Dil Se/Kya Kehena with Rajaki Ayegi.. film!Preity was really good despite it being her 1st n was recognized wherein that didn't happen in Rani's case!who even knows she did such a film unless u check up stats n wikipedia(now i ended knowing it as i hav a cousin sis who likes rani not cz i hav any interest n dat)..
Look at Rani in Yuva and Preity in Dil Se (both directed by Mani) and you'd see it for yourself who performed better.

Personally, I think Rani in Veer-Zaara, Saathiya, Hum Tum, and mostly Yuva shines over Preity on her best, which must be HOE. **Rani was clearly the better performer of her generation, which, in some way, shape or form, inspired Preity.**can i please find some place where u can source this?cz if u really wanna know Preity till date has always had something nice to say abt every single of her contemporary heroines(way unlike Rani😛) n just cz she says Rani is a great actress that doesn't mean Preity said Rani is better than herself!Infact Preity always has said Kajol was the best according to her n never Rani!bt even there Preity said in her own eyes she herself is the best not sm1 else!come on if u want to have sources go to Youtube there is an interview for Bombay Talkies there u can hear 4 urself!n this inspiring comment was said when commenting abt having good competition in the industry!so obviously when thr is good competition she/every1 is inspired to do better work!don't twist around her words!

For me, Preity had always been an average actress,that is ur opinion n i hav no problem with it and she requires/required excellent directors to bring good performances from her (much like Kareena and Priyanka - both of them can give good performances as long as they work under good directors; take them away, they will give pretty meddicre performances, that it will make most cringe;well Preity won critical aclaim 4 her roles like Kya Kehena,Sangharsh,Dil Hai Tumhara, Chori chori chupke chupke,dil chahta hai,Aarman u can get sourced data from Wikipedia if u want..so it is FACT n not my OPINION only! i.e. - Preity in Koi Mil gaya, Kareena in MPKDH). n well u can hardly pick a role scripted like Nisha in KMG n say give it an overacting cz doing anything except what she did in it would certainly take away the reality of the effervescence of the character! This means she isn't a natural actress like Madhuri, Kajol, Rani - these three can give decent performances in even the most horrendous of all films. i won't contest against it as i actually really like Kajol n Madhuri out f the 3..

Also, I never found Preity to be "versatile". To be honest, in order to be versatile, you will have to do justice to the various forms of roles that you do - and doing justice to them is something Preity, being the average actress that she is, rarely did. 😛 With just two decent and one brilliant performance(s?) on her career - VZ, KANK, HOE - I can't call her versatile. versatility s the one word that has always been associated with most f Preity's roles by the critics as well as the public so i guess we'll have to simply agree to disagree!

Also, Preity was never the "first choice" of the films that made her famous. Kya Kehna, her first break-through film, was first offered to Kajol. When Kajol declined the offer, it went to Preity. source please!cz this is the 1st time i heard this!n am i glad Preity did this instead!cz Kajol simply wouldnt have fit as she was already too well recognized as herself(DDLJ/KKHH) to play a 16 year old teenager dealing with a pregnancy!! Same with Kal Ho Na Ho - when Kareena refused, Preity took the role. Same story with Veer-Zaara, when Ash rejected the offer, Preity took it. Now, if things went as planned, would Preity have these huge blockbusters on her credit? No. Take away Kya Kehna, Kal Ho Na Ho and Veer-Zaara - and look at her career graph. She wouldn't be what she is today without those three, right? well do u knw that Munnabhai ,Jab We Met r sm films she dropped n others took which both went to win public as well as critical acclaim-meaning awards including filmfare!so common to phrase it in a nutshell in preity's own words "If u go to a shop n try on a pair of trousers n even if they fit n still u leave them n sm1 else comes n takes them u can't go crying foul simply cz u decided to let t go!". n non of us know how the offering of films r done behind the scenes.n only when either the actor who passed t away or the director of a movie go tom tomming abt t we get to know these stuff! so u can't take away the credit a certain actor brought to a movie jst cz they were not a so called first choice cz it simply makes no difference!

On the other hand, Rani was the first choice of Saathiya (her first break-through movie),i prefer the tamil version by Mani Ratnam!n btw Sathiya was Rani's 18th film or so wherein Preity won accolades 4m her 1st film she acted in(Kya Kehena) throughout almost all the other films she did till KANK to HOE!
so comparatively some long time Rani took to make a breakthru!😛
the original and first choice of Chalte Chalte (yes, CC was first offered to her and not Ash, and I can source it as well), the first choice of Yuva, Hum Tum, Veer-Zaara, Black & Bunti aur Bubly. She was also offered The Namesake (a highly acclaimed English film; Tabu substituted her when she could not commit to the project due to clashing dates with KANK). really?i dnt know that either..anyway Tabu was stupendous in it!i loved the movie!i dnt think any1 else could have done it except her! She wasn't the first choice of KANK - but then, KANK didn't help her go up the ladder like Kya Kahena, KHNH, VZ helped Preity. So it can be said that Rani moved up on her own, while Preity had to rely on rejected roles to go up the ladder. 😛well i gave the answer to this comment above..

Rani's performances received much more critical acclaims than Preity's. Other than VZ & HOE, were there any performances of her which made critics praise her sky-high? I can't remember...maybe if someone can help. Rani, on the other hand, was always praised by critics, no matter how the film fared at BO. Her performances in films like Hey Ram, Yuva, Saathiya and mostly Black were hugely acclaimed and praised. Even KANK, DBH, CC, B&B were praised as well. If my memory is correct, critics always seemed to be positive on Rani. bcz rani was as an actress always overated IMHO!😛

Coming to Kajol...she has star power over anything else. She does a movie after a break of five years, and everyone rushes to the hall to watch it (Faana). Even a crap (IMO) like MNIK becomes super blockbuster. Flops like Um, Me, Aur Hum is highly acclaimed by critics too. But I agree...she is overrated. But then, most actresses are - be it Rani, Madhuri, Kajol - all of them are praised more than necessary. Irrespective of their acting capabilities, they receive more hype and recognitions than they deserve.well i'll agree abt both kajol n rani being overrated bt not Madhuri! She might be overrated, but she is a NATURAL actress, and that's what makes her so special. She did not learn acting through her career - she had that potential on her blood, which she showcased from her very first films (Bekhudi, Bazigaar).i'll give credit to that abt Kajol!

Feel free to disagree.lol i did😆

P.S. Excuse the spelling & grammatical errors. It's too late at night. ;~)

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** In red: Preity's words, not mine. How ironic is that. 😛 source the red letters please cz they were certainly not used in that manner to say that Rani was better than herself!well i can pretty much say this cz i hav got almost all of Preity's video & print interviews with me..😉



Well now u started the comparisons again when I let go earlier..so


Rani -36 films(barring special appearances)
Preity -27 films(barring special appearances)

so out of them despite doing less work a much higher number of Preity's films were appreciated compared to Rani's!BO records stand as proof..n as i said go to wikipedia n u can see the critical acclaim sources too.
Rani only has 2002-sathiya n a lot n 2004 where Preity has successful films 4m 1999-2005!

n IMHO i have never seen a film more overrated than Black!the only amazing thing i saw in that film was the child Ayesha!she was a marvel in herself..n i actually fast forwarded most f the other parts of the movie as i couldnt stand it!
n i wonder wt u'll say abt Rani's immature acting in films like thoda pyaar..,ta ra rum pum,etc as u r so ready to criticize preity 4 her films!

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Posted: 15 years ago
#82
She has Veer Zaara, Salaam Namaste, & KHNH. I think that's good for her :)
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Posted: 15 years ago
#83
IMO if given a chance preity can pull off any role than Rani and even maybe kajol have done. I don't think Rani and kajol are better actress than her. Their just overrated more than Preity. Again am not hating on Kajol and Rani. Actually after Kareena, my favorites are kajol, preity, and rani. As a neutral fan of kajol, preity, and rani, I think I can be unbiased to say that they are all on the same level of acting IMO. Maduri just had dancing skills which make her look like these great actor. IMO she is in the same league as Rani, preity, and kajol.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#84
I will always remember her for Kya Kehna, Kal Ho Naa Ho & Veer Zaara.

I think she's a really good actress, and it's kinda sad that she's not around as much anymore. She's really adorable.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: lalixlili

Agree with every words you wrote especially the part in which you compare Preity to her current aliases = Kareena + Priyanka - only good with a good director...otherwise I don't find them impressive...

To be fair, very very few actresses/actors impress with a bad director - neither Rani, nor Preity are one of them. I currently draw a blank as to who does impress with a bad director. However, staying on topic: Rani too didn't deliver with the bad directors/directors whose vision in the particular movie was crappy - she has CCCC, Kahin Pyar Na Ho Jaye, Chori Chori, Calcutta Mail, Bas Itna Sa Khwab Hai, Raja Ke Aayegi Barat, Bicchoo, Badal, Chalo Ishq Ladaye, Thoda Pyar Thoda Magic, Hadh Kardi Apne, LCMD where she was strategically upstaged by Koko every scene she appeared, Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega, Hello Brother, Mujhse Dosti Karoge, Ta Ra Rum Pum, and other such horrendous performances to her credit as well but most don't like to recall them. None of these performances were anything to write home about, either. So, Rani too requires a director of good calibre to deliver a good performance just like Kareena and Priyanka. Rani rarely rises above the script or goes beyond what the director has invisioned, analogous to Kareena in MPKDH or Priyanka in LS2050. All of them are cut from the same cloth or that is how it appears to me, anyways.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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It depends on what one calls "bad director" and "good" movie. Not sure if everyone will ever agree on both of the definitions. It's a very personal feeling to like a particular performance or to like a specific movie. It has to do with your mood, your age, your life experience. To be honest - I haven't watched all the films included Rani or Preity or Kajol and thank god for that -- It prevented me from watching bad and OTT performances as well...
A good actor is a good actor from the start...and even with an average / weak storyline an actor must be good... I think Rani was one of the best in the 90's. Even with "confused" or bad written characters, she was/is still able to deliver a decent performance as for *ME*.
I don't know if a bad director ever exists except when your name is Edward Wood lol...
For me "Karan Arjun" is a really bad movie but I enjoyed Salman & SRK in it.
"Fire" isn't a directorial masterpiece and the story isn't an original one but the acting (the simplicity - the novelty of the subject in Hindi cinema- the poetry - the realism touched me the most).
Yes I think Kareena & Priyanka (pretty ? faces with influent people who backed their positions in the industry) are average performers just like most of Hindi actors and actresses who can do wonders in sequence 3 and in sequence 6 are totally soulless and totally rubbish. And that's a big let down. Preity in "Kya Kehna" was very good in the school scene on stage when she discloses that the HEADMASTER has not so much virtue...but in the second stage scene in which SAK applauds her speech - she was ridiculous and like a stupid crying madonna...the whole sequence was messed up...and unrealistic and too grandiloquent...it spoiled the effect!
With very good written characters some actors just can't keep the nivel up.........because the sequence may be out of place...
And some support actors can be memorable because they showed real skills equally as the lead cast ("itw with the vampire" - Kirsten Dunst as Claudia).
Sorry but a good idea/concept of film can be reproduce with other actors (good ones btw) and with an interesting storyline and be still perceived as average and not good..
"The crow" belongs and will always belong to Brandon Lee - all the way...no matter how hard Vincent Perez tried...and how "good" was the script --- the original was perfection! At least to the fans of the genre.
A character as "Eric Draven" is a dream role for any young actor - only Brandon Lee gave him that touch - proof is Heath ledger did inspire himself from it as "Joker"..that was so obvious!
So even with a good storyline - the acting can be weak.... ()
And even with a good director the acting can be weak also...()
Only geniuses actors are constant (John Malkovitch - Gong Li)..they are great actors as for me...
A good actor is good whatever the script - Kareena & Priyanka are good once in a blue moon....their acting skills developped themselves after a while in the industry..they were not gifted - I think Rani was and Preity has an interesting potential...
I think that "The 5th element" was a bad directorial and storyline experience for *ME*-- still Lilou is a classic character and She was great in the movie because her character was innocent/pure and strong at the same time.....
So even with a "bad" director --- the actors can be good....
Hmmm the topic is about Preity -- so we're talking about what we think of Preity...and an opinion is just an opinion....
And we talk about her contemporaries and current actresses...
I really think Priyanka and Kareena have nothing to do with acting........
You know after a while -- they can act decently because generally human beings have what we can call minimal intelligence required to adapt themselves to change (ability to make people think you can act a bit without sounding or looking too ridiculous)....
Most of my friends (non indians who like BW films) cringe for almost every top BW actor's debut movies./.....but they think that most of top indian actors can't act - so they get used to it and accept that we can't expect too much from some of them////
s.o like Jude Law never disappointed even in the most average movies he's done...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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^^

Haggling over semantics is not something I'd like to do and I'm sure you wouldn't either. Yes, "good" and "bad" are subjective. That being said, the idea that good acting was linked to good direction in some cases was something you addressed. So, it must've had some merit then.
I do agree that reverse cases can occur, with the actors/actresses giving performances that rise above the calibre of a mediocre/bad director. That said, the above is not applicable to Rani as I do not think she was anything nearing "good" or convincing in the aforementioned movies, especially not in movies like Mehndi or Bicchoo where she was as asinine as Kareena in K3G or Priyanka in SEI/LS2050..
"(pretty ? faces with influent people who backed their positions in the industry)"
I would argue that Rani, too, had influential people backing her up. It should be noted that her first solo-hit came in the form of Saathiya, which was backed up by the Chopra connection, after which she worked nearly exclusively with YRF, delivering only 2 hits outside of the YRF banner in the form of Black and CC -- both of which had A-lister stars in them. IMO, that's a false distinction between KK, PC, and RM because nearly all of them had some sort of backing, whether it be in the form of family, modeling or connections.
"You know after a while -- they can act decently because generally human beings have what we can call minimal intelligence required to adapt themselves to change (ability to make people think you can act a bit without sounding or looking too ridiculous)...."
If this is applicable to Preity, Kareena and Priyanka, can't the same, then, be said for Rani as well? She gave Saathiya seven years, and a string of 13-14 movies - that were either critical and/or commercial failures - after her debut. Evolving in a way to adapt to her environment etc.
I realize an opinion is just that. I wasn't attacking you but more discussing what you had stated.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Frankly speaking preity hasn't done anything tht fantastic in her career..
she has been lucky tht she got so many roles from big banners to establish herself...
there is one role tht she sould be applauded of
nd thats from 'SANGRASH'...she was mindblowing in it
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShadowKisses

^^"(pretty ? faces with influent people who backed their positions in the industry)"

I would argue that Rani, too, had influential people backing her up. It should be noted that her first solo-hit came in the form of Saathiya, which was backed up by the Chopra connection, after which she worked nearly exclusively with YRF, delivering only 2 hits outside of the YRF banner in the form of Black and CC -- both of which had A-lister stars in them. IMO, that's a false distinction between KK, PC, and RM because nearly all of them had some sort of backing, whether it be in the form of family, modeling or connections.

certainly! people r like rani came completely out of the industry n made it big here! She is 4m a film family that has been in the industry 4 over 3 generations! So she was probably given enough opportunities n tolerated in early movies due to it!

"You know after a while -- they can act decently because generally human beings have what we can call minimal intelligence required to adapt themselves to change (ability to make people think you can act a bit without sounding or looking too ridiculous)...."
If this is applicable to Preity, Kareena and Priyanka, can't the same, then, be said for Rani as well? She gave Saathiya seven years, and a string of 13-14 movies - that were either critical and/or commercial failures - after her debut. Evolving in a way to adapt to her environment etc.

actually it was her 18th movie! so go figure wt a natural actress she is to need 18 movies to give a single success!😛
I realize an opinion is just that. I wasn't attacking you but more discussing what you had stated.



Hi ShadowKisses.. sorry i dont know ur name dear..but i completely agree with the points u gave!

cz in my opinion if someone like Preity who had no connections wt so ever to the industry nor a beauty queen crown on her head wouldn't have been given such a big chance to prove her worth..if she didn't show star quality n success 4m the 1st fim onwards she wouldn't be here today cz no1 will give an outsider an insider's chances!


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: tweety_lovely

Frankly speaking preity hasn't done anything tht fantastic in her career..

she has been lucky tht she got so many roles from big banners to establish herself...
there is one role tht she sould be applauded of
nd thats from 'SANGRASH'...she was mindblowing in it



well actually the 1st big banner role Preity got was Kal Ho Na Ho! until then she didn't have a single big banner role!
i have seen this que being asked 4m her in numerous old interviews until 2003.asking if she wasn't interested in big banners..
anyway my point is by then Preity had established herself with movies like DCH,Kya Kehena,CCCC,HDJPK & KMG..non f these were big banners..

well may be I'm wrong cz the big banners i actually consider r Johar n Chopra camp..so if it wasn't wt u meant feel free to disagree..
n dear i don't wanna fight..just wanted to correct a fact:-)

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