Why This Double Standards & Hatred?Mod note pg10

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Posted: 11 years ago

#91

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I beg to differ on the point highlighted in bold.

Feminist isn't an insult that it would classify name calling. In fact being a feminist is very respectable. Feminism merely means someone who believes in equality of both genders. Feminists don't demand special privileges or sanctions, but strive to remove unfair gender biases against women as well as men.
I'm a feminist, I believe many men and women here on the forum would be happy to be feminists. Feminist doesn't mean man hater, male basher or any of the negative connotations being associated with the word.

Being Feminist should be a matter of pride indeed. By seeking equal rights for both sexes, I consider myself a feminist. This is not a term that anyone who can adopt, just by abusing or making hateful comments on men & society or by intimidating other women to believe in them. That's precisely the reason I used the term "pseudo-feminist" , which is truly in the interest of the genuine feminists and that gives more respect to the genuine feminists.

When A person taking a feminist label, starts saying that "all men are dogs" or "Worse than dogs" or throws around hateful comments and jargons, like pie chuckers, they don't form a part of the respectful term "Feminist". The closest I can call them is the pseudo-feminist or a phony-feminist, or Misandrists etc.

So I support the mod actions here, it's better that none should be allowed to stand up with abuses and claim to be a feminist, that's a shame for the real feminist and then the alternative words also would come into discussions. I'm sure they are aware of everything and we don't need to consider them ignorant. Lets not assume things without knowing, Like some people generalize men for abusing, to feel they are feminists.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#92

I don't think you can tell anyone what they can and cannot call themselves. If people call themselves feminist, communist, capitalist, socialist or whatever philosophy they align with. That is their freedom of choice. If their action conflicts with their philosophy then politely point out the contradiction and ask for an explanation.

I don't think any woman on this forum claimed that they hated or dislike all men. The harsh stances were against sexual harassment and not men. Let's face it even legal systems struggle with the definitions of crimes, misdemeanors and non-offenses. We can't fault lay citizens for having strong opinions of their own. Let's debate the differences in definitions, not condemn people for having an opinion.

Some men are dogs and some women are bitches. I think that's a statement we all can agree with. There is good and bad in all groups. I don't believe the intent was to call all men dogs, but just point out that some men can be. However, I think in the heat of debate people took it to extremes. Now you can fixate on one misunderstood statement amidst dozens of other good points or you can look at the big picture. It's a personal choice.

Finally, it still doesn't make it right to misuse "feminist" as a derogatory term. Words like communist, homosexual, transgender are neutral at best. They have a meaning that isn't negative or bad in anyway. But some people misuse such terms as insults - commies, homos, trannies etc. Lets not make it OK to redefine words as insults. If people do misuse words, lets educate instead about what the real meanings are.

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SoPunk

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Posted: 11 years ago

#93

Originally posted by: return_to_hades
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I don't think you can tell anyone what they can and cannot call themselves. If people call themselves feminist, communist, capitalist, socialist or whatever philosophy they align with...

If their acts and words don't match with what they claim to be, then definitely we have a right to question his/her philosophy. If they can justify that act to be consistent to their alignments, that opportunity is still with them. You can't say that the people only have the right to claim and others don't have the right to question if they find it's not consistent. Freedom of speech should work equally for both.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#94

Originally posted by: SoPunk

If their acts and words don't match with what they claim to be, then definitely we have a right to question his/her philosophy. If they can justify that act to be consistent to their alignments, that opportunity is still with them. You can say that the people only have the right to claim and others don't have the right to question if they find it's not consistent. Freedom of speech should work equally for both.

Added in bold a crucial omission that addresses your very concerns. I would say pointing contradictions and asking explanations constitute questioning.

You frustrated man hating woman with no life, you misandrist, you pseudo-feminist., = NOT Polite questioning.

You seem to be making very generalized unfair anti-male statements. I don't think thats what feminism is about. Care to explain what exactly you mean by this? = Polite questioning. Also good tool to ensure you haven't misunderstood what the other person tried to say.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#95

^^^^

You frustrated man hating woman with no life, you misandrist, you pseudo-feminist., = NOT Polite questioning.

If you add those bold parts that definitely makes it a bit too personal, while characterizing a post/comment as the non bold part describes, is perfectly polite.

I wouldn't be at all interested about what or who is she in her life, my focus is only on the post she writes and what it expresses. Yes I think every adult poster knows those languages of politeness, quite elementary I guess. But it's also true that, being polite sometimes needs to to communicated with a person on the tone/language set by her/him. That generally makes a better conversation or rather debate.

Your suggestion will be more apt in social communication or in non debating environments. Unless the situation demands so during a debate.

Edited by SoPunk - 11 years ago