Why targetting Pratyusha so much? *DT Note - pg 29* - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: honestyfirst

Elli is not an indian ...
She doesnt know hindi that much ...
...anyone can feel bad n sometime it happens that word directly touch ur heart n ur tear come automatically ...
Elli was really hurt .. ...

Dont tell me armaan n prats r inocent ...
Prats is cunning ...we all knew wat happen...

I hate prats after that incident ... N i hate armaan too ...



Your opinion if you hate her...I was just saying that calling her disgusting and cheap is really not the way.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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And telling the victim NOT to say I'll slap you to the aggressor, just because he's older. Wow. Kya baat hain. I wonder if Pratyusha's Balkan fan agree with this archaic logic too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Picasso9

So wait, by the TM's logic if Elli wears a bikini or does (as per the TM) b grade movies then its basically a licence to sexually harass or abuse her? Wah. For Pratyusha principles be damned.



Exactly not! I never said that.I just said that if she had the boldness and confidence to wear a bikini on tv she shud have the boldness to defend herself too. As simple as that. She behaved as if she is helpless and cant say a word to armaan.Thats not the case.She was all smiley and blushy while all this convo took place then why and how does pratyusha hold the responsibility to think that she might be super hurt the next second.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malika



Exactly not! I never said that.I just said that if she had the boldness and confidence to wear a bikini on tv she shud have the boldness to defend herself too. As simple as that. She behaved as if she is helpless and cant say a word to armaan.Thats not the case.She was all smiley and blushy while all this convo took place then why and how does pratyusha hold the responsibility to think that she might be super hurt the next second.


So if a girl can't defend herself when sexually harassed then that makes HER MORE AT FAULT. Is that what you're saying?


Doesn't mean if someone is bold in their WORK then they are bold in all SPHERES of their life. Ellie did say stop but they obviously are too stupid not to know the meaning of that. Pratyusha knows exactly what she was doing. As you yourself stated, she's playing a game. Bullying is part of her game. If she couldn't PREDICT Ellie's reaction then she shouldn't have told Ellie she is wrong. By trying to invalidate Ellie she was trying to elevate herself and Armaan and their actions
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sorry, I found Pratyusha's stand despicable. The question is not what characters Elli has played in the past. Elli like any other female has the right to feel offended if someone make vulgar jokes of sexual nature on her. Going by Pratyusha's theory if an older man rapes a younger woman she has to respectfully say please don't do it, I don't like it. WTH is that? Regardless of how old the offender is a woman has the right to slap or in my opinion break his head if a guy makes degrading jokes of a sexual nature on her. I cannot justify Pratyusha's lobbying for her friend Arman and trying to make Elli feel guilty of the situation. Pratyusha deserves a slap, harder than the one Arman deserved.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malika

Okay before you throw chappals and tomatoes on me pls let me make my stand clear. It has only been a week and this forum has totally been against Pratyusha.I u/stand ppl have their respective views and I respect them.I even admit she has been wrong at some places.Whether those were intentional or just stupid mistakes I don't know.But still I doubt she has done anything so wrong to be bashed so much and be called disgusting cheap etc etc.

I wont say anything about the other three issues coz I never thought she was wrong there.When Pratyusha said that one of her reasons of her confidence is her fans support Gauhar mocked her by hiding a smile.She was ought to get miffed.Next the Andy issue. Just because some people think that Satya Sai baba is fraud or something doesnt mean making fun of her belief was right.Andy was wrong there and so he rightly apologized and Pratyusha took it in a very positive way.

Now coming to the issue of Elli, I dont say I support Armaan in any way but blaming Pratyusha as cheap and disgusting bcoz she didnt stop Armaan is beyond my understanding.When the chat between the three started everything was friendly and in a funny tone. Now for Pratyusha she knows Elli and Armaan equally...that is since 7 days.What all she saw was that Elli was being all smiley. Now the point is that these celebrities are not like us common girls.For them talking abt "physical" stuff in a funny tone is not a big deal.I am sure Pratyusha does it with her friends and I would die laughing if you would say Elli doesn't do with her friends.

I request ppl to go and once check the promo of Elli evram's first movie and see the way a "girl" has been portrayed in the movie.And Elli has happily done that. Its strange Elli doesnt has any problem in "women" being potrayed as objects of sex but she has issue here. Doesn't that sound like double standards?

Elli avram just in the promo of her movie has wore bikini, and done things which we as audiences term as to be done by "B grade actresses".And if you check a video of her in delhi here she performed live on stage.Ppl have tagged that video as "po*n".And mind you it was a live performance.

The point I want to make is that if Elli has the audacity to do such stuff on TV why cant the girl defend herself.If she can have the guts to wear an "almost bikini" dress in a live performance then why cant she have the guts to say "shut up" to armaan.Why is pratyusha expected to intervene when she has a fair idea that the girl in context has all the ability to defend herself in case she feels offended. Thats what Pratyusha said to Salman."If Elli had a problem she shud have drawn a line herself"

Last but not the least even Kamya supported the view that Elli over-reacted but ppl dont call Kamya as "cheap" "disgusting".Double standards ehh...? Its strange we are talking of respecting women and we are saying same stuff for another woman without knowing the context in which she thinks that "elli over-reacted" I am sorry but I dont support the view.

Concludingly, Pratyusha could have done much.She could have picked a fight with Armaan.Could have asked him to shut up. But one fine day probably Armaan and Elli wud have hugged and made up and Elli wont any longer be that offended and Pratyusha would have to bear the brunt...well why shud she be so stupid?Afterall its a game!


If Pratyusha behaves questionably, she should expect criticism. Everything can always be justified, depending on whose perspective you're looking at it but that does not guarantee that said 'justifications' will be swallowed.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Picasso9


So if a girl can't defend herself when sexually harassed then that makes HER MORE AT FAULT. Is that what you're saying?

You are taking the discussion in the wrong dimension.I never stated that Elli was wrong if she cud not defend herself.What I want to say is that Pratyusha might have never expected that Elli would feel so hurt and yet say nothing.All this was said in a funny tone.At the end of it, if Elli wont have cried no one would had made an issue out of it.If she had rather than crying slapped armaan playfully everyone including all forum members would take it as joke.Thats my point and thats what salman advises Pratyusha that u shud u/stand a line where joking ends and ppl might get hurt.Which I agree Pratyusha shud hv kept in mind.She probably skipped the line bcoz she was in the opinion that Elli too is taking all this conversation as a joke.

Doesn't mean if someone is bold in their WORK then they are bold in all SPHERES of their life. Ellie did say stop but they obviously are too stupid not to know the meaning of that. Pratyusha knows exactly what she was doing. As you yourself stated, she's playing a game. Bullying is part of her game. If she couldn't PREDICT Ellie's reaction then she shouldn't have told Ellie she is wrong. By trying to invalidate Ellie she was trying to elevate herself and Armaan and their actions

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Posted: 11 years ago
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If Pratyusha behaves questionably, she should expect criticism. Everything can always be justified, depending on whose perspective you're looking at it but that does not guarantee that said 'justifications' will be swallowed.


I agree...she shud. But calling her cheap,disgusting,cunning,bitch...dont u think thats too much of criticizm??
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ your red statement.

Sorry but you cannot PRESUME that if Ellie didn't cry then forum members would have taken it as a joke too. To the contrary, give us more credit than that. There could have been many other reactions other than ' it was a joke'. We could have still taken it as an insult and harassment, we could have even taken Ellie to be a bimbo and criticised the hell out of her, just to name two options.

If Pratyusha did not expect Ellie to be hurt so much, why didn't she change her stance AFTER ELLIE TOLD her directly exactly how she felt. Oh no...to the contrary, Pratyusha further criticised and BLAMED ELLIE and even facilitated in making Ellie feel more ostracized for the way she (Ellie) was feeling. Once Pratyusha was told exactly ow Ellie felt, the right thing to do was reprimand Armaan as well and also offer an apology herself for her part in this. But oh no, MS Pratyusha stuck to her stance days later when Salman questioned her.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I just want to ask one simple question because I am confused with Ellis's behaviour.. After all this elli and Arman fiasco I have seen in the episode that tanisha asked Araman that to go and talk to Elli once as she wants to talk him and both Arman and Elli apologised each other.
If Elli is not convinced with Pratusha's comments or if she feels she is correct then why she want to talk to Arman and said sorry. Even if Tanisha asked also she can clearly say she don't need to say sorry.

PS: I am not supporting anyone here either Pratusha nor Arman , just I am confused with Ellis behaviour

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