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Posted: 10 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: BorntoRead


Packaged very nicely in psycho babble.


Dear Picasso,

As I said, I will not pass a value judgement over a contestants personality. I just wanted to bring forth the aspect which attracts me to Bigg Boss, psychology. If you want to label his behaviour as " people pleaser" it's fine with me. It's your perception. I'm only interested in knowing why people do what they do.

Also my assessment and application of concepts might be flawed but branding Psychology as Psycho Babble is quite unwarranted.

Take care.



Alrighty. My bad for wanting to know what happens to that aspect of feelings you highlighted when he plots against others. I wanted more than a one dimensional analysis of his BEHAVIOR.

Whitewashing bad behavior under past experiences, etc is fine and dandy and if regression is identified as well then it is justified in exploring, or is it disallowed in the case of Pyaare?

I was not branding anything but using a common phrase to infer that it is not the ultimate or singular authority.

Edite: your analysis looked like you were trying to exonerate him for his murky stands/ stand taking.
Edited by Picasso9 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: trouble_006


@bold:I have a simple question TM...wasn't the post about Pritam being delusional (acc to you) since he thinks that he's no.2?...As you have mentioned that the contestants haven't recieved any outside feedback an only viewers(the ones having same pov as you again) realise his position...then how is he delusional since he's going by the last feedback he recieved?
Isn't that what one normally does? Isn't that what the other HM's did?
I would appreciate a genuine and to the point answer...logical too if possible.


He is delusional because very soon this is going to be proved false going by his ongoing graph. He can give himself airs based on past perception but if he hasn't realized till now that its all going downhill, he is being delusional while others are just playing safe chiming in with outside feedback.

By same logic Gautam is considered most deserving although they fail to see what's so special about him personally. Fixed winner Gautam is given full backing by BB but not so in case of Pritam. That is why I say that his bubble is going to burst very soon.
Edited by -victoRiya- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53
Answering your queries one by one,

1. Planning and plotting might be a result of using the thinking mode. As I said, we use both modes of decision making, however rely more on one. In fact, it would have been a conscious choice to switch to thinking mode of decision making as his default mode is feeling.

2. I cannot comment on the fact whether his behaviours have improved or regressed after seeing him for barely 3 months. However, i can say that he being an instinctive he person does make an effort to moderate and alter his reactions. That skill he probably has learnt over years. Still this is my conjecture, as I don't know about his past.

3. Who am I to exonerate or vindicate him, I am just trying to explain why he does it. Bottom line is he changes his stands due to his feelings. Feelings as we know are dynamic and change with time and interaction.


Edited by BorntoRead - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Born to Read- When your supposed friends side with you on your face and badmouth you behind your back, such people are called backstabbers who won't be trusted again that easily. Unfortunately Pritam comes across as one. His caring for others' feelings comes to naught when they see through this nature of his and stop sharing their feelings with him completely. Same as what is happening in Ali's case.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: BorntoRead

Answering your queries one by one,


1. Planning and plotting might be a result of using the thinking mode. As I said, we use both modes of decision making, however rely more on one. Infant, it would have been a conscious choice to switch to thinking mode of decision making as his default mode is feeling.

2. I cannot comment on the fact whether his behaviours have improved or regressed after seeing him for barely 3 months. However, i can say that he being an instinctive he person does make an effort to moderate and alter his reactions. That skill he probably has learnt over years. Still this is my conjecture, as I don't know about his past.

3. Who am I to exonerate or vindicate him, I am just trying to explain why he does it. Bottom line is he changes his stands due to his feelings. Feelings as we know are dynamic and change with time and interaction.



Thank you.

So maybe his default mode is thinking and he switches to feeling mode when it benefits him. Wasn't he touted most intelligent after he 'took his first stand' for Gautam. Wasn't he intelligent enough to discern that hey I reaped benefits from this, let me continue to use it (thinking mode). What about when his wife told him you are looking like you're being influenced by Puneet and then again he changed his behavior. Was it through thinking or feeling or both. Can both these modes be independent/compartmentalised or are they interdependent? How do we establish which is more dominant from a snapshot of an individual who has been in an artificial environment for the last 3 months? Is this reminiscent of animal farm and a true reflection of the indivual becaus it's hard to maintain artificiality in an artificial environment for 4 months.

Edit: one more thing, when he changes his stands, is it completely due to feelings independent of thinking. Doesn't a change in behavior intrinsically involve thinking?
Edited by Picasso9 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: -victoRiya-


He is delusional because very soon this is going to be proved false going by his ongoing graph. He can give himself airs based on past perception but if he hasn't realized till now that its all going downhill, he is being delusional while others are just playing safe chiming in with outside feedback.

By same logic Gautam is considered most deserving although they fail to see what's so special about him personally. Fixed winner Gautam is given full backing by BB but not so in case of Pritam. That is why I say that his bubble is going to burst very soon.


A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.(Source:Wiki)
@Bold:Again as per what you've said,all this is 'going to happen in future' ,then how is he supposed to know,given that he's inside the house with no update on his status in audience's eyes.And till now nobody has told him that his popularity has gone to the drains or whatever you want to imply.Hence,no 'superior evidence to the contrary'. Its not called giving oneself airs or being delusional.He's reacting according to wat has been told to him.
@Red:If others are playing safe by your logic then why not give Pritam also the tag of playing safe by 'chiming in with outside feedback'.? Coz he also did the same thing.
Shouldn't the same yardstick be applied for everyone.
So either every hm is delusional(according to you again) or all are playing safe. You decide.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: trouble_006


A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.(Source:Wiki)
@Bold:Again as per what you've said,all this is 'going to happen in future' ,then how is he supposed to know,given that he's inside the house with no update on his status in audience's eyes.And till now nobody has told him that his popularity has gone to the drains or whatever you want to imply.Hence,no 'superior evidence to the contrary'. Its not called giving oneself airs or being delusional.He's reacting according to wat has been told to him.
@Red:If others are playing safe by your logic then why not give Pritam also the tag of playing safe by 'chiming in with outside feedback'.? Coz he also did the same thing.
Shouldn't the same yardstick be applied for everyone.
So either every hm is delusional(according to you again) or all are playing safe. You decide.


Contestants very well know that they are on a show and things that happen there are guided by the makers' prerogative to a large extent. But we are free to draw our own conclusions outside.

In Pritam's case it is only a matter of delayed feedback but he should have guessed by now that all is not going well for him considering he is not giving good content these days.

Aside from pointing out that technically Pritam was not delusional, can you prove that he is not the other things I mentioned in the post ? If not, pardon my slip and move on 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -victoRiya-


Contestants very well know that they are on a show and things that happen there are guided by the makers' prerogative to a large extent. But we are free to draw our own conclusions outside.

In Pritam's case it is only a matter of delayed feedback but he should have guessed by now that all is not going well for him considering he is not giving good content these days.

Aside from pointing out that technically Pritam was not delusional,can you prove that he is not the other things I mentioned in the post ? If not, pardon my slip and move on 😳


@bold:how would he guess so? Sonali also hardly did any drama,still ppl loved her n brought her so far in the gam, Upen gave max content in his last 2 wks b4 elimination n still got evicted,that so-called Hero was 'as per the feedback provided by the guests on the show' invisible for almost 2-3 wks.If even he can be given no. 1 position then how can Pritam judge whats in audience's mind?
@Red:but wasn't it the crux of your thread?...atleast the topic name suggests so...btw does that mean you agree that he's not delusional?😳
@Blue:If you want a discussion only on all that stuff then maybe you should mention it in your topic itself or rather have a separate thread for it where those are the main points instead of something else(Pritam's delusionality-as per you again).
Ciao😃
PS-I'm not here to 'prove' anything btw.My replies were just simple inquisitive questions in accordance to your posts.
Edited by trouble_006 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: trouble_006


@bold:how would he guess so? Sonali also hardly did any drama,still ppl loved her n brought her so far in the gam, Upen gave max content in his last 2 wks b4 elimination n still got evicted,that so-called Hero was 'as per the feedback provided by the guests on the show' invisible for almost 2-3 wks.If even he can be given no. 1 position then how can Pritam judge whats in audience's mind?
@Red:but wasn't it the crux of your thread?...atleast the topic name suggests so...btw does that mean you agree that he's not delusional?😳
@Blue:If you want a discussion only on all that stuff then maybe you should mention it in your topic itself or rather have a separate thread for it where those are the main points instead of something else(Pritam's delusionality-as per you again).
Ciao😃
PS-I'm not here to 'prove' anything btw.My replies were just simple inquisitive questions in accordance to your posts.


So you are agreeing that Pritam only considers himself number 2 because he hasn't got negative feedback so far yet you can't disprove that he is going astray and is guilty of all the charges I leveled against him in the post.

Do not judge a book by its cover. Had it read Pritam's bad vs good qualities, would it grab eyeballs? I need to employ some marketing skills here as well. You watch BB...does the precap always pan out according to your expectations? 😉
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Born2read Pritam comes across as most opportunist and detached contestant. I am not convinced that he is the "feeling guy." For all it was seen he very easily severed his association with Puneet after his wife's feedback. Moreover in depth psychoanalysis based on 45 mins edit is bound to be flawed. You say he does not think of the consequences but as a viewer I always felt he showed signs of a schemer and he takes planned decision. Moreover u are again making a judgment that he may have faced a rough patch in adulthood. Just like in ur other thread where u claimed Gautam shows extreme narcissism and may have traumatic childhood. Even when narcissism is not related to traumatic childhood. Its cause is unknown and may result from over pampering than any neglect. Btw more confusing was ur claim that Gautam should not win as it may precipitate crisis. That just negates any unbiased opinion from u. Which is not a problem as most of us are biased here. But using psychology to claim that some of the contestants should not participate or win ( u have mentioned this before) sounds disconcerting.

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