Dance of Time and Illusion ( Episode Analysis)Part 30updated DTNTPg131

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Darciny

@Darciny

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1031

Originally posted by: aditi97

Please don't feel offended. I wasn't pointing anyone. Just wrote in general. If my words have hurt u then I apologise.

Hey no need to apologize! It's all cool😊

I have read some of your posts along with others who usually post in this thread, and it actually gives me an insight into an another perspective. Though I may not necessarily agree with it, but it's always intriguing to read a different opinion.

Originally posted by: sunithi
I am big fan of our post,plz continue making post...

Thank you for your kind words😊

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sumz_d

@sumz_d

Voyager

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1032

As far as Maya's justification is concerned then let me clear she is not all justifying Maya.

Instead she is only pointing out on few character's hypocrisy.

She is analysing what lead Maya into being dark. In the beginning Maya was not dark. She genuinely had tried to be accepted by people.

FACT IS NO ONE GAVE HER A CHANCE.

And this is the reason why criminals are born.

No body is born mad and bad. Its the family, society and it's sometimes unfair norms that give birth to criminals.

Maya will definitely get punished. We all want her to fall very hard. She deserves it. But at the same people like VM and Saanjh also need to be punished.

That's the only thing she is trying to say.

edited to suit forum rules-Beyhadh DT

Edited by -RD- - 8 years ago

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Khushi_love

@Khushi_love

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#1033

Many are saying that Maya wanted to change, Vandana didn't accept her, hence she became like this...

1)Though Vandana was against the marriage initially, she accepted the marriage ultimately, n even told Prem, that "BETI ghar aa rahi hai"...

2) on the marriage day, Vandana discovers that Maya had crippled Ashwin as a 9 year old ( she was already aware of Maya's childhood abuse by Ashwin in the past)

3)Maya murdered Ashwin in such a gruesome way on her marriage day (yes, Ashwin was a criminal, but she didn't murder him in self defence; it was a cold blooded murder...

4)she was totally composed minutes after the murder, acting as if all was normal at her wedding...DOES THAT MEAN THAT SHE WAS NORMAL???

SO when she was trying to be a normal bahu, does it mean that she had actually become a normal bahu immediately after a gruesome murder????😲

Vandy saw thru her facade for what Maya actually was...the mother in her was petrified for her child...yes, HER APPROACH WAS WRONG & INSENSITIVE...but it was more of frustration & helplessness there...

While every human should be sensitive to mental illness, no mother should be expected to have a laid back attitude when her child is married to a seriously mentally ill person who could have turned into a hard core criminal...Vandana was almost certain that Maya has killed Ashwin as she was the only person with a strong motive, n more importantly, WITH THE MINDSET TO KILL...

After ruining Arjun's life, Maya has ruined Ayan's life...Ayan only wanted to free Arjun...yes , he did mouth filthy dialogues, but that was to scare Maya into releasing Arjun...

Now, if Vandana & Saanjh wish to find proofs to prove Ayan innocent, hence prove Maya as a criminal, hence Arjun n Maya seperating (obviously), I simply do not see HOW/WHERE/WHY they are wrong...

By playing straight, there's simply no way that Maya can be defeated...since Saanjh & Vandana's intentions are correct & protective in nature, their lies are justified...while Maya has a destructive & criminal mindset...hence, her every lie, manipulation, crime is unjustified...

There is absolutely NO COMPARISON between Maya's intentions & acts and Saanjh/Vandana's intentions & acts...the former has turned into a criminal, while the latter are victims/victim's friends & relative...

Why are Vandana & Saanjh expected to watch quietly from the sidelines without putting up a fight to release Arjun & Ayan from Maya's crimes ????...just because she's mentally unstable??...infact, because she's so mentally unstable, it's all the more important to stop Maya ASAP...

Keep it up Vandana & Saanjh...keep it up!!!👏

Edited by ---Khushi--- - 8 years ago

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Fernandes43

@Fernandes43

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#1034

Originally posted by: aditi97

Comparison with MahaKali was for killing Ashwin I think.

Really why dragging religions?? Thanks for being so cooperative even after being on the other side :)

@BLACK Killing of Ashwin is purely due to personal enmity & also driven by selfish interests such as passion for Arjun! It is not for a social cause! It is a murder punishable under law!

@RED 100 % correct & fully agree!

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sunithi

@sunithi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#1035

@lumos...Maya tried understanding Arjun and saanj by asking she also wants to be her friend..what saanj did in turn for her...whatever may be the case a good friend never ask her male friend to lie to his wife...there Arjun and saanj failed in their so called relationship called friendship..this is what they taught Maya when she tried learning them...kind of amazing to know only Arjun is suppose to take care of Maya burnt hand,really..let's agree to disagree here...

Friendship is not a correct word to explain saajun as correctly said by Arjun..Arjun said so,v need to wait for him to explain in future what is that relationship..Arjun never denies whenever Maya claims saanj didn't moved on from Arjun and even 2 days back saanj also didn't have any answer..only time can tell the answer for their realtionship..

Asking witness not to come is wrong according to me..see the way u justify saanj,I dont do .I see both the the sides..

Foremost v both see the characters very differently,for me Maya becomes mad and bad becox of the world but has lot of goodness in her..I am waiting for some1 to bring that goodness in her to this world and other characters bad deeds..I beilive No1 is Saint in this story,let's see how the story unfolds..

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Japrilforever

@Japrilforever

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#1036

@sunithi can u answer one question- does anything Saanjh ever did validate Maya's attempts to ruin her life in this brutal manner? Are those mistakes such huge crimes that Maya is playing with her life in this way?

If Ur answer is yes, then I will stop this discussion right here. Cz there is no point in dragging it.

Ur not seeing the situation from everyone's pov, Ur seeing it from only Maya's. Just like maya feels that between Arjun n Saanjh there was never just friendship, u feel so too. But the point here is, that Arjun-Saanjh's relationship has been way more special than friendship always but in a non-romantic way. Saanjh loved him, but since the day they both got married to each other Saanjh has been nothing more than a best friend to Arjun. Standing by him in his best and worst times.

It is Arjun's responsibility to take care of his wife, not Saanjh's. Saanjh's responsibility is to take care of Arjun. Still, she has been a support to Maya in the period after the wedding because she trusted her and considered her friend. I agree with u that she should'nt have asked Arjun to lie to Maya. But if she wanted to speak to Arjun only, and wanted their meeting to remain a secret, then I don't know how else could she put across her words. And before u ask me why keep the meeting a secret, it was something that Saanjh did not want Maya to know about. Theek hai yaar, itna bada kya pahaad toot pada? She wasn't secretly dating Arjun...she wanted to talk about his family to him. Also, let's not forget how Maya has threatened her in the past at dinner...or how Vandana's constant fears slowly turned out to be true, one by one.

And Ur last point about maya having goodness in her, is totally invalid. If she had goodness in her, she wouldnt have ill-treated her own mother. All the goodness in her, the tiny bit that would've possibly been there has been erased because of her obsessionwith Arjun.

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Rabul27

@Rabul27

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#1037

Originally posted by: lumos_31
@sunithi can u answer one question- does anything Saanjh ever did validate Maya's attempts to ruin her life in this brutal manner? Are those mistakes such huge crimes that Maya is playing with her life in this way?
If Ur answer is yes, then I will stop this discussion right here. Cz there is no point in dragging it.

Ur not seeing the situation from everyone's pov, Ur seeing it from only Maya's. Just like maya feels that between Arjun n Saanjh there was never just friendship, u feel so too. But the point here is, that Arjun-Saanjh's relationship has been way more special than friendship always but in a non-romantic way. Saanjh loved him, but since the day they both got married to each other Saanjh has been nothing more than a best friend to Arjun. Standing by him in his best and worst times.

It is Arjun's responsibility to take care of his wife, not Saanjh's. Saanjh's responsibility is to take care of Arjun. Still, she has been a support to Maya in the period after the wedding because she trusted her and considered her friend. I agree with u that she should'nt have asked Arjun to lie to Maya. But if she wanted to speak to Arjun only, and wanted their meeting to remain a secret, then I don't know how else could she put across her words. And before u ask me why keep the meeting a secret, it was something that Saanjh did not want Maya to know about. Theek hai yaar, itna bada kya pahaad toot pada? She wasn't secretly dating Arjun...she wanted to talk about his family to him. Also, let's not forget how Maya has threatened her in the past at dinner...or how Vandana's constant fears slowly turned out to be true, one by one.

And Ur last point about maya having goodness in her, is totally invalid. If she had goodness in her, she wouldnt have ill-treated her own mother. All the goodness in her, the tiny bit that would've possibly been there has been erased because of her obsessionwith Arjun.

@at bold, you probably forgot that Maya is also part of his family regardless the fact she was not given her place.

Maya's abuse was more worst than the way Jhanvi has been treated by her, you don't remember the episode, whenever Maya sends her mother out, she always end up being in trouble. Any sane person would consider Saajun's friendship as dating not special one if it crosses limit of shamelessness.

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tanvismile

@tanvismile

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#1038

Originally posted by: Rabul27

@at bold, you probably forgot that Maya is also part of his family regardless the fact she was not given her place.
Maya's abuse was more worst than the way Jhanvi has been treated by her, you don't remember the episode, whenever Maya sends her mother out, she always end up being in trouble. Any sane person would consider Saajun's friendship as dating not special one if it crosses limit of shamelessness.

Why do u have to create a new identity to respond her?

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Isha Kumar

@ishakumar

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 8 years ago

#1039

Originally posted by: _Darling_
I have quit the show, but I just don't get something. Most of the posts in the forum never talk from Maya's side and always talking from Vandy and Saanjh's perspective and justify ill treating bahus, wrecking someone's house to take their husbands way and all the justifications I have seen for it. But I never went there to tell them to stop this all and call them biased for not thinking from Maya's perspective and only from other character's perspective. Then why not leave this one post peaceful for others like me? It's like forcing others to hate on maya and telling why is even talking on Mayas perspective and not on other character's perspective? There are hundred of posts doing the same, why turn this one to the same? And I don't even find Shrutis analysis talking from Maya's perspective first of all. Her posts are mostly showing the hypocrisy of other characters which i agree with. Seeing such posts, you all are forcing others to think ONLY in your way. And if others dare to have their povs, then they are accused of analysing from Maya's perspective and being biased. Well, most of us also find hundred of other posts biased yet they all claim to be neutral? Has anyone thought about that? First it was the MB comparing, now that she stopped that. Now again having problem with her? What will be next? Stop her thread and bully her and others to stop analysing at all?

@Shruti, I hope you don't stop analysing because of such posts. I don't watch the show anymore, but your analysis is the first I look forward to after each episode. Thanks.

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maya is never the first to react

she gives the reaction to an action

she is always instigated by someone else before she does anything

ashwin said that he will kill arjun, which is why she killed the man that tortured her and tried to kill the love of her life... she came into full dharampatni mode and killed to protect a man that shde regarded her husban

vandana repeatedly insulted and rejected maya's genuine attempts to fit in, repeatedly filled arjuns ears against maya, which made maya fear that arjun will leave her

ayaan disrespected maya and crossed many limits that a bro-in-law shouldnt do with his bhabhi... he forgot that she was a woman, no matter what... he threatened and ripped her clothes... he clearly had the courage and intentions to do something that he shouldnt have done... she broke that courage once and for all by getting him sent to jail...she exaggerated what he was about to do to her own liking, And showed him that he shouldnt do that with any woman no matter what...

saanjh... claimed to become maya's friend... then she called maya's husband alone to a retaurant at night and then tried to kiss him while he was drunk... whjat type of wife would tolerate that sort of behavior? she tried to show the world that their relationship was not right and she accomplished that at the holi party...

samay, is clearly showing one sided love to a person that treats him as a dog... and why does she treat him like a dog? probably cuz she uses him on the pretext of knowing his secrets...

maya is not bad, she is just extreme

finger her or her husband and she will destroy your life... you will start to think that death is a better option 😆

finger their marriage, and your gone for good

as we can see only arya's love is two sided

everyone else likes to butt into their life,... and everyone that has tried to butt in hasn't had a great future 😆

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

Stunner

+ 2

Posted: 8 years ago

#1040

Guys if Saanjh told to burn Lanka Hanuman has to get inside Lanka so she will go to Maya's house, I need to analyze Maya with the base of Lanka, but I will analyze Saanjh with the base of hanuman. I will do it and no one can stop be doing it. Because if Saanjh thinks she is Hanuman and Maya's house is Lanka, then every action of hers will be compared against what she told. I will write that. I basically check whether a character's dialogues, thoughts and actions match.

Maya is bad so her dialogues, thoughts and actions need not match. Understand this very clearly. She is bad.

VM and Saanjh claims to be good. So their dialogues, thoughts and actions has to match. It has to. If not simply it is not matching.

A selfish person actions, thoughts and dialogues dont match. They make no bones of it as they are selfish bad and mad.

A selfless character thoughts, actions, dialogues match atleast to 70-80% . It has to.

A hypocrite dialogue means selfless, thoughts selfish, action an eyewash.

I look into all the 3 aspects before I put the analysis. I dont care whether CVs prove me wrong or my analysis turns out to be wrong. I am open to correct my analysis and look where it went wrong. people who know me like aditi knows that I have done it in SKR forum.

I dont go to any thread and tell people there dont analyze like this or that. I dont tell their views on Saanjh or VM has to be corrected, so base minimum courtesy I expect from forum members is not to tell me how to anlayze. I know that.

Now someone put I should talk about other religions then I will know. Dear friend how can I talk about something which I have not experienced. How can I talk about Jesus , Mary or Allah whom I dont know, about whom I have not read much, about whom I dont know what kind of beliefs exist.

But I will write about Sanathana Dharma, because I am a practicing Hindu. I have grown up reading stories, observing all sorts of beliefs, rituals, praying in temples and I have my perspective of every God and Goddess which might be different from yours. But that doesnt mean I dont respect Gods or Goddess as I am a believer. So if I feel like analyzing I will analyze. Because I believe asura and Deva reside inside us. We humans are given intelligence to understand what actions make us God, what make us demon. Every human can become God by action or a demon also by action and can remain a human by action. Choice is yours. Epics and symbolisms of Sanathana Dharma helps you to make those choice. Dialogues dont make you God, action makes. if you utter things without thoughts you will be tested on those utterances. Yes you will be tested, time will test you for every utterance you make.

I am a person who doesnt ask anyone to do something which I myself have not done. Or cannot do. With words so far in my life I have not given direction to anyone. The direction I have given to anyone is based on my own journey. The success and failures of the path I took to reach where I am. So if you feel uncomfortable with my analysis I apologize, but I cannot stop, as I believe I have the right to express my views like any other.

Thanks aditi for telling the crowd about my way of analyzing. Anshvi, Darciny I do not have anything against you guys. I know you have difference of opinion, which is acceptable.

Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago

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