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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Laska





Samay killed Prem. Beyhadh trust for the daughter. Beyhadh freedom for a daughter. Beyhadh love for daughter. And the blow comes. Samay says that everyone should have a last wish (this isn't his first murder)
When Prem dies in Mathur's house begins to flicker light. As at dusk. At one point it seems that everything is visible and understandable. But in the next darkness again distorts the world around

At the hospital, Dusky said that while she has Prem, Samay and Ganesha, she not need anyone. Prem left. Dusky let him go. She put him in danger. She herself risked her father

Prekap. Samay, what the tantrums? Just not trivial blackmail and threats. I need a smart and serious game in which you'll be the one to beat everyone. You're, hell, a variable, not a hysteric on the bazaar



What? Say what? Prem died sorry got murdered because he allowed his daughter freedom and placed his trust on her? Not because there's tyrannical loony out there killing people & dismantling lives left right and center? That, I tell ya, has to be the most brazen way of defending that loony!
I mean why in the God's name should everyone be blamed for unspeakable crimes but the criminal herself? No Saanjh didn't put anyone danger. She barely has any idea of how monstrous Maya and Samay are!
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Posted: 8 years ago
Basically, according to Laska, Maya is not responsible for anything she does. All her crimes are forced on her at gunpoint by the zaalim duniya.
No matter what depths she falls to, she'll forever be defended by her blind fans.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Basically, according to Laska, Maya is not responsible for anything she does. All her crimes are forced on her at gunpoint by the zaalim duniya.

No matter what depths she falls to, she'll forever be defended by her blind fans.


i am not defending maya..but as far i knew the character of Maya, she knows everything about herself..she has lost her moral compass..a natural instinct that human posess for making good and bad decision..for its own survival..we have seen maya's past abused..thrashed..bullied..even her own mother did nothing for her..as the show name *Beyhadh* that even suggest this..too much abuse..impulsive behaviour..of ashwin made maya like this we are seeing today..when she was child her mother..who was deeply in love with her husband..and a husband who was pagal and abused maya in every possible way..but jhanvi even loved maya just her too much love for ashwin made her blind sometimes to see her daughter's pain..a child with no moral compass, ye sab dekhti hai aur uske dimag mein yahi hota hoga ki what i have done? why ashwin always treats me like that? why jhanvi doing nothing about it? how she could get answers of this questions? if she don't even know what are her mistakes??
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Posted: 8 years ago
@krystal_watz, I always like these stupid children's accusations - you're blind, you're Jenny fan, you're like that, you're like this. I'm blind? Ok, I don't care! I'm bad&mad? Ok, I don't care! I'm not Maya which conditional Duffer, Ashwin, Jhanvi, Dusky, Vandana can scare that I'm wrong, abnormal, bad, mad, on evil's side or whatever. I don't care! I know that this isn't so. People who know me know that this isn't so. And I don't care about the opinion of those who doesn't know me at all. I know who I am. And I also know that you have no any moral right to judge me, especially when coming to my house, and this thread is in some sense my home
Maya locked Duffer in a cage. You see only one person in the cage. I see two. One of them pretends to be good and sane, and I have not seen anything good and sane that he did during these three years
This cage he built with his own hands. This fatal vow at the wedding he ask by himself. He broke trust by himself. And I'm not affected by the whining of an adult man who has the brain and the strength to cheat, to drive girl to suicide, to manhandling, but he lacks the brain and strength to prevent her from beating herself or to stop her attempts to commit suicide with the inveterate periodicity
Screaming to an unstable person "go and die," knowing full well that this person will go in the literal sense of the given direction - this is driving to suicide

For you, Ayan's case is fake. For me, no. Samay's "help" isn't needed there, to Ayan was in prison exactly on this charge. Samay isn't needed here, I have my own theory why was needed Samay's "help", but I don't think that CVs are going to follow this path. It will be on their conscience if in the end they throw their hands up and say that there was nothing like this
If Ayan went in a direct direction to save his brother - would break the door, and bad&mad Maya would rush around him, and hide the video of how she try to ripping him off the door, and then would take Samay's "help" and put this is an attempt at rape - it would be a different conversation
But on the record Ayan attacked Maya. The girl should not be beaten to death, so that the crime was what it was in fact
Ayan is sitting on the correct charge - this is my opinion. And I have my own right to this opinion
And at this point I'm not interested is it Maya, Dusky, Simmi, or any other female character, my answer will be the same - Ayan sits for what he did, and on the correct charge

For you, Maya brutally tortured Vandana. For me, the scene was filmed silly and funny. A lot of shouting out of nothing. Maya closed the door gently. She didn't do it with force, so that it would be possible at least advan- tageably to seriously injure the hand, not to break anything. Yes, she pinched her hand between the doors. Yes, she didn't let her go at once. Yes, there will be a bruise. No, there will never be a fracture of the hand. No, there will never be a flood of blood like the river, unless the edges of the doors are not razor blades. No, a person will not faint. In fact, if you just don't pull this hand, then there will be no pain at all, just the discomfort that the hand is clamped, and there is no way to have complete freedom
Maya hit her own hand with door with force several times - no fracture. Bandage for a half-episode and nothing more. Although the blood and there poured more than there could even be theoretically

For you, Maya planted Samay in Dusky's life. For me, no. If the next episodes show that Maya planted Samay in Dusky's life three years ago, my first reaction would be laughter, in the second I will say that Maya is an idiot, and not a mega brain. Because it doesn't make any sense. If she already planted Samay in Dusky's life, then she must force their marriage three years ago. And she was necessary to planted Samay even earlier, so that Dusky could not have possibilities for restaurants late at night with Duffer, for frivolous dancing on Holy and other excessively special and modern friendly tricks. And even more so that Dusky could not come and push Maya off the ladders

Maya asked to delete the video. Samay killed Prem. Prem saw the video? No! Prem carried video to the police? No! Did Prem have the only one last copy of this video in hand? No! Prem prevented to delete the video? Again, no!
To kill Perm was Samay's decision. To have leverage on Maya to blackmail and threaten
Yes, now he can come to Maya and say that he did it only for Maya's sake. But this is lie. Video still exists. Nobody deleted it. And if the video still exists, then why Samay killed Prem?

And decide already. If Maya didn't answer Samay's call, then Maya is to blame for Prem's death, because the gladiolus. If Maya wrote Samay to delete the video, then Maya is to blame for Prem's death, because the gladiolus. Do anything - fault. Don't do anything - fault too

And I don't justify Maya, I don't need to do this. Just don't need. I understand her. The only person in this show, whose motives and actions for me are clear and understandable. She's called bad&mad, but she's the only one in this show who can really be understand

I don't understand this so-called normal good and sane people. They are not normal. Not good. And not sane. Vandana. Dusky. Ayan. Duffer. All of them. Each of them must be in jail. Each of them needs a visit to a psychiatrist. Duffer, for example, must really be treated excessive aggressiveness. He says that Maya must learn to control anger, but he needs it no less, if not more. With this level of aggression and lack of brakes, he will kill to hell one day any wife and child too

If bad&mad Maya baby was a construct for Duffer, then Duffer and all these so-called good and sane people was/are the total fatal destructive for Maya

And you crossed your limit. And you do it not for the first time. You rushed in my home in dirty shoes, brazenly and shamelessly go inside, basically pushed dirt around. And you know, normal, good and sane people don't behave this way
But someone knows boundaries and limits in human communication, and some don't, alas

@FleurBleue, Dusky put her father's life in jeopardy. She put him when she intervened her father in this case. Put, when she told to bad&mad Maya baby with a gun, that she send video to Prem. She put him when she went to the hospital for her damn toy, instead of doing what Dusky had proclaimed on her poster
Hands Samay, but put in this vulnerable point her father Dusky by herself
If list all those implicated indirectly in the murder, then this list will be everything, including Prem himself
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Posted: 8 years ago
@laska one thing is for sure. Symbolisms are a strong part of this series.

Remember when Saanjh threw the ring given by Prem in water and then was unable to retrieve it.
At that point of time, a lot of us had speculated that maybe Saanjh would lose Prem out of her frustration towards Maya and Arjun's relationship.
It came out to be true.

On other things, I have already stated that I admire and support your posts. Coz you and me share one thing - our frustration towards each and every beyhadh character!!

As for krystal and everyone who just called laska a blind fan, I have just one thing to say.
This forum is for your opinion on the show, its characters and how actors are portraying, not on how a forum member is perceiving the show.
You guys have already shown what you are like so not gonna waste my time on you, but seriously grow up!! You can't bash a forum member for writing his or her thoughts that too in her own thread!!

@laska nicely tackled their negativity and immaturity 😊
Edited by manya_roy - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Completely agree with you Manya Roy,laska tries to explain to every1 whomever raise concerns..I like that very much about her...till the point she can explain,she tries .I ve asked her all sort of absurd doubts,she explains with patience.
One issue with this forum is many tries to shove their opinion on others and ask others to think the way they r projecting...v r different individuals,ve diffrent perspective,agree or disagree and leave the point there is rareity here .hope things changes for better in cmg days..

Loved Ur explanations laskha..keep going.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Support you Laska. I do not like people being mean and rude in a forum. Let people argue without insulting... But some never get it...
There is always a decorum and in online some people do not follow it cause they think they can get away with it... Unlike in the real world. But as abasic manners folks need the respect a fellow human being... Here ppl are more interested in a fictional charecter and are unaware of how rude they sound to a fellow poster who do not agree with their pov!

Nothing can be done with these ppl. Ignore them Laska.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Laska I completely agree to you on the point if Prem died the first finger should be pointed at Dusky and Dusky alone. I had put it clearly in my analysis with symbolism from season 1 and also dusky's present action.
Yes the ring going in depth was a clear indication dusky will lose her father once and forever.

Yes Samay is the male version of dusky, her power. I loved the way CVs showed last moments of Prem's life, he remembering loving Samay. Samay the acha ladka is a killer, is a liar. Dusky has dialogues with which she hides her jealousy and high handedness. She has a white cloak which is still intact.
Maya doesnt have one. She is bad and mad. Now dusky will make Maya pay. Dusky will tell Maya is responsible, because she wants the toy, doesnt matter the expense is her own father.

I remember after losing the ring dusky standing in black dress in the beach when Arya has romantic dance when Maya comes in red. That time I had told Dusky will destroy that love. That black dress and untied hair and fire said a lot.
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Posted: 8 years ago
In my opinion the people responsible for Prem's death are Samay - coz he was the one who went to the extent of killing Prem , there were a lot of other ways of destroying the evidence but he is a psycho so nothing so what could have one expected from him...He is Prem's killer and hence the one who has to be blamed first and foremost.

Second is Maya - She instigated Samay by messaging him to get rid of the evidence anyhow...She is very well aware of what kind of a man Samay is and to what extent he can go for Maya.
In her later dialogues as well it was made very clear that Maya let alone feel guilty or bad for Prem's death in fact is very much okay if people die if it means she can keep Arjun for herself.
So, she was the one who instigated Samay to destroy the evidence at any cost, she was the one for whom Samay killed Prem so that he could destroy the evidence that could have proved Maya's lies.

She is also responsible for Prem's death.

Now

coming to Saanjh

Saanjh sent the video to not one but 3 people - Samay ,. Prem , Arjun...Maya couldn't have harmed all 3...In fact if Arjun had found out Maya's facade would have been exposed there and then and the game she had been playing in front of Arjun would have finished.

Saanjh knew that Maya would never hurt Arjun and if Arjun had the evidence then there was no risk to Samay or Prem coz the evidences they had were simply back ups.

She played it as safe as possible, at least that is what she thought.

But she didn't know that there was a backstabber planted in her life by Maya that is Samay...In her wildest imagination she couldn't have thought that Samay is a psycho who loves Maya and on her instructions can go the extent of taking a human life.

We as viewers know to what extent Samay can go but Saanjh or Suman or anyone else is unaware about what kind of a man he is

In her wildest dreams she couldn't have thought that Arjun will not get the video

Samay would delete his own video

and Prem will get killed.

All her 3 sources of evidences will get destroyed.

Yes she was stupid when she went to the hospital to tell Arjun about Maya's truth , to confront Maya...She got overconfident and her emotions got the better of her

She should have went straight to the police

There are also a few other things which have to be kept in mind

Saanjh had already informed Maya when she was going to shoot her that she had got the evidence.

Earlier when she had not involved Prem and Suman in her plan then also she was bashed..Now when she sent the video to Prem again she is bashed

The truth is Saanjh's family was at risk the day she had got into a tussle with Maya.

Even if she hadn't sent the video to Prem who is to say that Maya couldn't have kidnapped her family and would have bargained for the evidence with Saanjh.

Maya could have easily removed them from her path to teach Saanjh a lesson.

At the end of the day Prem was proud of her daughter..Those were his own words.

At the end of the day Saanjh's intentions were not wrong but as usual she got overconfident and stupid !

And that photo cutting part and Saanjh's blood falling on Maya's photo can be interpreted in a lot of ways.
One can say that if Saanjh ever tried to remove Maya from Arjun's life (that is photo cutting) even if it maybe for Arjun's own good then Saanjh will be the one to get hurt every time (her finger got cut) as Maya will not hesitate in hurting her or Saanjh's family or anyone who tried to separate Arjun from her (Blood fell on Maya).

The ring going in depth - i don't know how important that was because Prem and Suman had made it clear that ring was a fake and the real ring was given by them to her when she told them about Samay...and we also know that the real ring was not even put on the right finger of Samay since he had cut hid own finger.

Saanjh wearing black dress and open hair can signify that she was mourning the loss of her first love.

Symbolims can be interpreted in a lot of ways...most of the time they depend on one's own perception. To each his own


So, I blame Samay and then Maya for Prem's death.

I blame Saanjh for getting overconfident yet again and for being stupid...If she needs to beat Maya in her own game then she has to learn to be one step ahead of her.

She needs to stop caring for Arjun (Because he will not see the truth unless it is proved in front of him)

She needs to focus on getting justice for the innocent...That is not only Ayaan but now Prem too.

She has to understand that getting his friend back, saving his friend Arjun should not be her responsibility but only and only saving Ayaan should be her focus.

She was losing the battle because she got overconfident , coz she got distracted but more than that she was fighting against not one enemy - Maya but also against another enemy who is in disguise of a friend/lover - Samay.
She was unaware of the fact that there were not 1 but 2 enemies.

Now she has the chance to win if she becomes more focused and because Samay is now to going to turn the tables on Maya.


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Posted: 8 years ago
If Someone wants to play Devil's Advocate in defence of Maya's role in the murder of Prem,
The following points need some answer!

Maya wanted to remove Saanjh from her life by not killing her but marrying off to a psycho whom she can control! She was working long since London days of Saanjh to materialize her plan! Now shaadhi is about to happen in a matter of few days! Why spoil the whole plan by killing Prem? It will get postponed surely & also provide unnecessary opportunity to Arjun & Saanjh get together in mourning! It is undesirable & entirely avoidable! Maya will not facilitate such an opportunity! And by some bad luck, if Samay gets exposed, then even the marriage is off!
Saanjh will not go away from her life that easily! If samay gets arrested Maya stands the risk of even getting herself exposed as so many trails are available in their respective mobile phones!

It is matter of time before everything explodes on her face! Samay may start 'singing' in police custody if Maya is not going to stand by him! Maya has to silence Samay before he does anything funny! Life only gets complicated for a simpler solution!

In stead of killing, maiming Prem & sending him in coma could have been a better option! Then explore further options to hack the account etc, could be a preferred & safer alternative!

In hospital bed maya had a very busy time tracking the video with samay's help ,(looks like!) even while Arjun was pleading with God! She sent her SMS only after her achchai talk with Arjun! It is obvious from her text!
She knew Prem did not open it when she sent her SMS to Samay! Otherwise what is the meaning of 'stop' message? She would have herself deleted it from Arjun's account & Samay too would have obliged immediately! Only Prem's video is out of control! But, luck was favoring her as Prem was too slow to open his account! And she had time & Samay on her side to stop it!
But, if the guy is in constant touch with her on video issue while she was supposedly undergoing some treatment, why the hell did he jump out of her line? Was he terribly unhappy with Maya?
Maya fired him badly or what? Why did Samay choose to complicate it for Maya? He could have ignored her SMS & still allowed Prem to open the video if he wanted to punish Maya? That would have closed the door permanently for him to get Maya! No wonder he did not do it that way as he is still very much interested in getting her!
How does this stunt help him to get Maya? He took a lot of risk in killing someone!
What is his plan? Will he succeed in bending Maya to his whims & fancies by this tactical killing or Maya will outsmart him?
Guys! Finally there is going to be a keen contest in the show!
IPL is over! Show should pick-up pace! Interesting days may be ahead!


Edited by Fernandes43 - 8 years ago

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