Romantic? I think not. | 9th-14th dec. - Page 2

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Eee. I loves you.

Reserved!!
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You have done it again. Written it so cohesively and brilliantly and left very little for me to say. We have discussed this to such a great length i'm wondering what more to add this beauty. 😆

When I started watching the show man I had so many expectations. Let's give it to the CVs, Maya and Jennifer for bringing something so new and interesting to our plate.Maya is new, she's complex.she's layered. And jennifer has been doing such a brilliant job with her. I knew it was going to me majorly centered around Maya and Arjun and that it won't be a very healthy and positive relationship. The promos had it all pretty much laid out for us. But at the same time I hadn't thought they'll fall in love in such an artificial way. I thought Maya would first be wary of him, be wary of letting anyone near her, would fear giving her heart to him, would slowly like a fragile bud open up. He'll be there for her in her most youngest, darkest moments and see something and admire that something and want her for that. I thought the start of this bond would be 100% pure and from then on because it was so new to her it would've been beyhadh.

When the show started Maya was brilliant! The arrogance, the steel, the will, her work etichs most importantly. She was a person i was rooting for. She was complex and beautiful and brilliant. She had a set of traits and morals she dare not defer from. For her work was akin to art, to prayer. I loved those qualities about her so much. That made her an anti-hero I wanted badly to root for. She broke the social norms and followed her set of rules but the point being she had a great set of those (especially in her professional life) and that endeared her to you.

Let's be honest. Every villain has a past. The good ones atleast. everyone has a history. they all don't take birth and start chanting evil or become bad people for the fun of it(exceptions existing) they all come from somewhere. You empathize with them in a way. Just because the story's not told from their pov doesn't make them very different than Maya at this point for me. I think the stark difference is simply that the story's never told from a villain's pov. I don't want Maya to be one. I like her complex, grey, layered.

I love my anti-heroes who have a set of rules they follow for themselves. A code they don't break. I mean if a protagonist breaks their own codes what's left for us to trust in them? The fact that CVs are making her seem like more of an irrational kind of person is grating on my nerves. When did Maya start promoting people just to keep Arjun in the building? For thing as petty as that? I mean that's so not the Maya I know. And that sort of makes all of this so unattractive to watch. What am i rooting for? Her relationship with her mom's toxic. Her relationship with Arjun is manipulation and again toxic. She needs one single real relationship in her life. I need one good quality to root for this woman no matter what's happening. i want a tether. and just because she's got a bad past doesn't make her justified in her actions or makes me sympathize with her. Like i said all villains have got a bad past. People have got it bad and yet they strive to be better. I want to see that struggle in Maya, i want this one characteristic in her that endears me to her, that she sticks to no matter what. I want my old Maya.

Coming to empowerment. This is rather funny. If a man Boss had told you his intentions that he loves you then asked you to share his food then tried to feed you with his hand or asked for a kiss that would've been harassment but if a woman's doing it it's bold and empowering.😆 Rather petty and wrong in my opinion. Let's make it clear. A MAN DOES IT. A WOMAN DOES IT. What is wrong is WRONG. What is harassment IS harassment. How am I supposed to watch them and just appreciate their scenes in any context? Unless and until something drastic happens or some real development that makes me see them in a new light it's rather a dismay for me to watch arjun maya scenes because they're just so artificial in a way and full of manipulation. Maybe a scene where Arjun shares something very raw with her? and she pauses for a moment? Any scene to be honest. i need to feel their connection because there is none. He's not even in love with her yet. He's not falling in love with her naturally, how can i ever hope for them then? Like I said if Arjun was slightly as shrewd or had just a bit of cunning anything tbh I would've so appreciated them, or looked forward to them. Right now it's like a woman manipulating a manchild for her pleasures. Come on they're both better than that. Give us some meat.

I absolutely loved Maya. She's the reason I begin to watch this show. Now I look forward to her ashwin, her saanjh and saanjh scenes because Maya Arjun scenes sort of have started to repulse me. I'm baffled as to how am I supposed to react to them? I love my anti heroes, i've always rooted for them the most! but i need these codes and qualities in them that makes me root for them bad! Please Maya be all that.

Ahh is i ranting now? I love everything you've said and agree with it wholeheartedly. thankyou for assuring me too.😆 I guess we'll just see how this goes. I'm so looking forward to the thriller aspect of it than the romance because well...

P.S. I LOVES YOU <3

Originally posted by: Akdhaparijatluv

Im also in minority I guess as I dont find maya arjun scenes aww instead make me feel like banging my head to wall🥱... saanj , vandu and saajun scenes are the reason Im still stuck to show...
Glad. 😆

Awesome lines about manipulation👏.. I would also feel lik B***shit if I found the way I have fallen for manipulative person and realised it that relation started with lie no matter how handsome or wealthy the person is.

saanj was correct to say that he only sees outer things and gave chand shine example... Arjun is like that he can't go beyond outer things and think what's actually happening around him... seeing how maya have hidden Arjun visit to her house from her loving mom(till now I didn't know why she has hidden from her) I don't have hopes that she will set her heart inside out to Arjun ... maya love is like that how much ever she loves a person whether mom or Arjun she has restrictions and can't give herself completely... in love we have to surrender ourself to other

Unfortunately, that is the only way Maya knows to love and that's the only way she knows to express herself.

Exactly who has given right for maya to play with him and his feelings and decide whether he passed her test or not. He is a person not a thing to test it. If she can do such things then Vandana and Saanj also have rights to ask him about her and why cant she be tested for once. In future if vandu or saanj tried to test maya I hope everyone supports them like maya
It's alright to test one's mettle if you happen to have that kind of relationship with them and if you have a valid reason to do so. Maya and Arjun weren't even exactly friends until an episode or two. So, yeah.

Now Dont even ask me about this so called company and its rules.. I was shocked to see whether any such company exists or any business person would be like maya whose mood swings change every minute. Being young succesfull business person I expected lot from her professionally but she became minus from zero... who will fire their employees like that. Is this how cvs wanted to show that she reached big position by doing all these stuff..🤢being in love she can feel jealousy or possessive but the way she plans to torture people like making saanj wait for hours(if it's some other I doubt she would do that) and giving Arjun leave and make him to run after her and allowing him for lunch with saanj and makes sure he doesn't go.. kind of villain smile she gives seeing Arjun saanj fight.. So where is her professionalism.? Arjun who said in couple of episodes back that maya dont mix up personal and professional life is going to get big jhatka soon...
Yep, it's one of those qualities I had liked in her but I'm not even sure if it ever existed in the first place. Arjun's going to get a lot of jhatka's in future. His time has come. 😆

Ofcourse this is harrasment. Just imagine if a male employee behaves like that with female in any company the way she is asking him to kiss,feeding him,calling him in night and saying why would she call any guy at this time ,he would be screwed in harrasment cases. But here its maya mehrotra and is lady so she can do anythng to the people in her company. Just bcz Arjun is obeying evrythng whatever she says doesnt mean maya is right.
Everyone would be screaming their lungs out had it been a man but since its a woman, it's okay. I personally don't get the logic. Like Rida said, man or woman, what's wrong is wrong.

I only loved maya smile bcz of jenny has cute smile. apart from that this character is neither can be considered as role model nor can be loved bcz of her manipulative or controlling nature. She is not even straight forward in her actions. evrythng she does is like backstabbing a person. Infront of Arjun she is happliy smiling for saajun frnship but we know how she burns bcz of that. She gave leave to arjun to spend with family and saw saanj and made sure he run back to her office and she allowed for saajun lunch but made sure he doesnt go. So in which angle should I like this character either professionally or personality?
I didn't see Jennifer in there in those moments. I saw Maya and that's the Maya who gets my vote, the toxic Maya doesn't. We all need some quality, some reason, something to stay tethered to her or it's going to get difficult to like her even one bit.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@ani from the first promo it was evident Maya is the manipulator. She will manipulate and that is the journey she will have to take. That manipulation she wont get anything that is lasting. Because perception cannot last long. One day or another the truth will come out.

Arjun-Maya is not romantic at this point. I have stressed clearly in my post they are not in love. Definitely cannot be in love. Because Maya is damaged, Arjun is deprived and their perspective in life is same. Maya wants to control a man and Arjun doesnt want to be under the control of a woman.

Was it? Then, I may have missed it. From what I gathered from promos, I was pretty clear that Maya is a complexly layered character who has both the shades of light and dark in her. What I had assumed was the love between Arjun and Maya would go through a natural process, not an artificially induced one. I genuinely expected Maya to naturally fall for Arjun and Arjun to naturally fall for Maya.

Then why are they going for each other. Maya for the first time felt secure against Ashwin when she was around Arjun. He offers her that emotional security and she thinks it is love. The girl in Maya wants that emotional security at any cost.

Coming to Arjun he has never felt the pampering of his mother. The way a mother takes care of the child without questioning, without telling anything bad about it. Maya pampers him or creates the illusion of pampering boosting his ego. The child in him needs that pampering and he feels attracted to Maya.

I have always said Maya doesn't love Arjun, what she feels for him isn't love but emotional security. For Arjun, it's the attraction of power and status. Pretty much like you said it now.

Coming to women empowerment, woman empowerment is different. If you ask me the best movie that showed woman empowerment is Perumazhakalam ( Dor in hindi). You cant beat the characters of Ganga and Aysha. Aysha a woman braving odds coming to the doors of Ganga to sign the mercy petition for her husband who had accidentally killed Ganga's husband. Ganga braving the traditions and even outcasting giving the pardons. The ladies were not CEOs they were simple housewives but the strength they show is simply remarkable 👏👏👏. But daring to show a female protagonist which does not bind to normal stereotypes of a show differentiates Maya. Whether a man does what Maya does it is also bad. But society is quick to point at Maya, but will not question the man who does the similar manipulation in " n" number of soaps to make the leading lady fall in love with him.

It is a question can we watch when a woman does it. Can we accept her, if she is willing to change, can she be a wife too. Because in the other spectrum men are accepted and they are husbands without even changing much.

I haven't watched either of the movies you mentioned (Pink and Dor) so, I wouldn't know. As far as breaking the sterotypes is concerned, I have always liked it and even appreciated the effort taken to do something different. Personally, I don't remember having taken liking to any such character or approve of what they have done irrespective of whether it was a man or a woman. I don't look at Maya and Arjun as prospectives husband and wife, at least not at this point. So, whether or not Maya would make a good wife material is the least of my concern. I'd rather want her to be able to fight her demons, sort her past out, shape herself up for her own good, get genuine love from those she deserves and give her unadulterated love to those who deserve it, first.

Coming to Maya's past. It wont be exposed now is my take. It is Saanjh's journey to dig that out as she will have to defend Arjun or Maya dont know who for a crime they didnt commit. Only in that search the dark secrets of Maya's past will tumble out. Atleast most of them

I didn't mean complete revelation of her past up there. I meant, bit by bit and piece by piece because the show is rather bland with just the focus on the love triangle. I agree that it'll be Saanjh in all probability who will unravel the mystery that Maya is. But to keep the momentum going, each character needs to develop as the story moves forward.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Thank you for fantastic post. Your posts make me feel like home, breathing space in the forum.When I read your posts, it feels like this is exactly what I feel.There is someone who can represent us the minority😆 with so brillaintly writing skills.

Flattered, thanks. 😳

I like maya does those child like antics and I love jenny as actor but when it's said maya is the true women who knows how to manage her man... It's like am I watching the same show. Every single activity act that she did from dinner date with saanjh till now. She was just playing her game.. Playing with lives of people...I must applaud her for her skills but she is using the skills destruction Bigg boss game, where contestants are put against each other and they just react as per their nature... The only difference is there people play the game willingly and are getting paid for it. Here maya is playing but the players are clueless about it. She is no right to do that but as you said she can get as she is maya melotra .

Along with arjun , she is also playing with saanjh in her own ways. Initially I just thought it's a plain jealousy but no , those were the well planed moves .She even hacked into arjun s accounts. I also don't find anything romantic it all this. When people call saanjh equally manipulative.. I wonder what's exactly is manipulation!

It's difficult to recognise that you're being manipulated if you happen to be the victim. Just like a disease won't show up itself clearly after it's reached a certain stage. Until then it's just symptoms that are either confused with something else or often go unrecognised. But because we're the outer perspective, we're able to see things as they're. Yeah, Maya seems to have some good hacking skills as well. 😆 Saanjh doesn't manipulate, she's trying to instil some sense into Arjun but him for reasons of his own is unable to get them at this point.

Yes I agree that they should speed up and show some progress in the story .Its getting repetitive.

Yep, yep.

Some of your points were highlighted in blue 👏

Thank you for this post . 🤗

Thank you for reading it and giving in your two cents! 🤗

Originally posted by: S.Stephy

Glad to see this post!!

I don't find anything romantic between Maya and Arjun. Maya's manipulation to get Arjun's love... promoting him and even promoting others to have lunch with him, etc are not romantic at all. But that has always been the point of the show... Maya was always touted to be like this. So for me, this show isn't a love story but an interesting story and Maya as a character is interesting to watch. But yeah, if the show ends up glorifying Maya's beyhad-ness as true love... then I would be disappointed.

That's exactly what I don't like. Glorifying anything that isn't worth glorifying or worse that should never be glorified.

About women empowerment... Maya is a character who has had a messed-up past and is still emotionally affected by it all to the extent who things love needs to be controlled, etc. I don't think it is feasible to show such a character give a positive message about women empowerment, atleast not in this stage of the show. So I'm okay with Maya not being shown as an example of women empowerment... I don't think it is the point of the story.

I don't even think the show intends to give a positive message on women empowerment. If any, I think the show might want to give out a message that people with mental health issues do deserve all the love and care.