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@mystique_4008

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Posted: 6 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: JCluvs srk

i think thats why alot fan have shifted their focus on jenshad pairing reunion. if season 2 happens, thats great...even though i would be hesitant to give colors a second chance.

but i know i am hoping for jenshad to happen again in any way...and hoping that anirudh sir gives another story and somehow bags jenshad again

Same here. I would like jenshad to be casted again by Anirudh for a different channel that is good or by another decent PH with a good script on a professional channel but Bepannaah season 2 on colors. No way and absolutely pointless.

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Auroraborealis

@Auroraborealis

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Posted: 6 years ago

#22

Harshad said it on the face that he was not at all happy with the Ram Sita track as it slaughtered Aditya's character. Aditya Hooda's boundless love that was borderline madness was what HC had signed in for and what was his character reduced to a powerful chauvinist businessman. It must have been very disturbing to HC's artistic sensibility.

Granted the show was expensive but couldn't the channel stop with their interference that would at least have led to a dignified ending of the show. I narrated the entire story till date to one of my friends in early September and she was surprised at the fast pace of the story meaning the dragfest happened with the Arshad track and in the process so many lose ends were left untied. My respect for both HC and Jen has increased for declining the Voot offer. Colorless had already ravaged the story now what would they show Adi agreeing to marry Mili and Zoya acting all abla nari and Mili the vamp aur beech mein Kunal falling for Zoya and of course Mili trapping Adi by convincing him that they spent a night together when Adi was drunk. Disgusting.

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Saba

@Sabi05

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Posted: 6 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: arshi_asya

Channel was playing with show since first leap. If you look at it, then leap was sudden back then. But the major change took place with Arshad track. He was for 15 days only but got dragged to 1.5 month. And just when story had started, off air news came.

Voot was for 2 months only and Harsh's death was a major blow. It changed a lot of things. Anirudhh sir has clearly mentioned about show's essence and it was under threat for sure. Silsila is a proof of how essence of a show can be competely ruined. Silsila was about something else and not just about in and out EMA as they showed.

Other show about whivh you are talking about is Yeh teri galiyaan. Whatever the issues, it is doing good now.

It's good that PH tried to do justice to the show with whatever they had. BP is done now. There is no scope of season 2 to this version since romance and thrill was the main element and thrill part has ended.

Ani sir has to come up with a new story if Jenshad have to be cast again if at all that is happening. Beyhadh with jenny playing Maya's daughter and Harshad playing opposite her as equally strong character can be a good idea.

Beyhadh 1 is done too with 3 seasons and Maya dying. So, old cast can't come but the show left way for new story.

This channel surely did the major damage. New shows could have waited till BB end but they wanted to axe it already. Differences were for a long time it's only now they are out in open with PH deciding to step down and not bow further to this channel's demands.

Beyhadh is a different story, the creator of that show is doing Manmohini and if he thinking of a period drama as mentioned in his interview and this really takes off with JW then Beyhadh and Bepannaah have no scope even if they bring a new concept altogether.

Bepannaah is lucky that the essence of the show was maintained, Salim and Anarkali's love saga , if one sees the promos, man bai has entered, this is Emperor Jehangir's story. They are writing their own history, there was another period drama too which was messed up. Kasam got so many leaps that if one counts the years , a 55 yr old was romancing a 25 yr kid..

Out here even after the leap, it was still okay. 3rd angle episodes weren't bad but every track had farewells from the fans. Colors have literally ripped off stories, it did not go this far here.

But it is in the past now, for the creatives or actors all they will have to look is new projects. An actor should not be a one film , one hit wonder, the same goes for tv stars. They should move on.

Don't ask about Salim-anarkali

It's and EK show nd she herself has a habit of messing up history. Even if channel doesn't interfere, it would have been ruined. Chandranandini was one such example. She could have taken imaginary characters but literally changed the history of padmananad, durdhara and what not. She mixed Bahubali with actual history and all wrong facts to show a love story with a character who didn't even exist.

Pseudo history shows in India are the worst. Only authentic show on history was Ndtv chandragupta maurya, siyasat, ranjit singh.

EK should not even touch this genre to ruin history.

Honestly BP has nothing left in it to take again. Unless they decide to do a redux of it but that would be a different story altogether.

Beyhadh is least likely to happen again since it ran its complete time to closure.

Let's see what happens. A show like BP isn't happening again in many years to come and I am 100% sure about it. Even shows like Zindagi Gulzar Hai would have royally failed here because of TRP despite their marvellous content because we are so used to watching OTT drama here with endless tracks and villains. We don't like when life itself is a villain but we like those villains in the family who would want to kill us everyday and conspire 24*7. BP only had Anjana like this and even she had very lesser space in ths show and was shown to be neurotic already.

Oh yaa zindagi gulzar hai and Humsafar are considered classics. But would hv definitely failed in India. ITV audience could not get the simple nuances and the slice of life shows like that. I don't watch pak tv but watched these 2 on friends recommendation and I was floored by fawad khans talent and ifcourse looks. No OTT drama or nonsense tracks. I am really sad at the state of shows on tv and hope there is a revolution of sorts in the industry much like the movies in India where now we see a shift in audience preferences unlike the movies in the 90s or 80s.

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Anjali

@arshi_asya

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Posted: 6 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: Sabi05

Oh yaa zindagi gulzar hai and Humsafar are considered classics. But would hv definitely failed in India. ITV audience could not get the simple nuances and the slice of life shows like that. I don't watch pak tv but watched these 2 on friends recommendation and I was floored by fawad khans talent and ifcourse looks. No OTT drama or nonsense tracks. I am really sad at the state of shows on tv and hope there is a revolution of sorts in the industry much like the movies in India where now we see a shift in audience preferences unlike the movies in the 90s or 80s.

Every Pakistani drama would fail on ITV, simply because OTT shows have ruined our minds. Pakistani dramas are very close to reality. The negative characters in those shows are the ones you can find around in your life. They don't try to kill you with unnecessary plotting & trapping for no reason. Even shows like Feriha, Fatmagul & Ask-e-memnu would fail in India for being real & would be termed slow for showing story with gradual speed. Even shows like Friends would fail on GEC channels because we don't have humor for that sort of comedy. Show like Ask Laftan Anlamaz which took internet by storm with crackling chemistry of leads would fail here for being romantic shows with a suspense plot & fair amount of family & friendship drama. Even actors themselves would never watch such shows, except for a few like Beyhadh, BP, KRP were few shows watched by other actors too. Foreign shows would simply fail on Indian TV. Even GOT would have been outrightly rejected on ITV. It's the internet audience that is fan of those shows.

All of these shows are considered classics with such a strong & relatable plot & flawed characters who evolve over time. Their conversations looks meaningful. One feels with them.

Indian TV shows for so many years have actually ruined Indian audience's mind to a great extent.

For now, goodbye to ITV, except Sony. They have good shows in line right now with fresh content. I can't watch shows dragging the basic plot for months for no reason. Sometimes it's fine to get the emotion right, but otherwise it's not.

I don't want JenShad on any main GEC channel. For TRP, they can play with content & butcher the characters. If JenShad have to come, then I want them to come in web series or in finite weekend show which is romantic & can focus on their chemistry, humor & little of family drama between them or with a strong plot on Sony just like KRP or Beyhadh or something similar.

I will always be pissed that the potential of this show was ruined by the channel. It had an equally good plot of ArNoor to cover that could have showed AdiYa with them & so many other tracks. It even had typical Indian villains in Anjana & Sakshi would have returned anyway.

Edited by arshi_asya - 6 years ago

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Saba

@Sabi05

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Posted: 6 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: arshi_asya

[DIV]Every Pakistani drama would fail on ITV, simply because OTT shows have ruined our minds. Pakistani dramas are very close to reality. The negative characters in those shows are the ones you can find around in your life. They don't try to kill you with unnecessary plotting & trapping for no reason. Even shows like Feriha, Fatmagul & Ask-e-memnu would fail in India for being real & would be termed slow for showing story with gradual speed. Even shows like Friends would fail on GEC channels because we don't have humor for that sort of comedy. Show like Ask Laftan Anlamaz which took internet by storm with crackling chemistry of leads would fail here for being romantic shows with a suspense plot & fair amount of family & friendship drama. Even actors themselves would never watch such shows, except for a few like Beyhadh, BP, KRP were few shows watched by other actors too. Foreign shows would simply fail on Indian TV. Even GOT would have been outrightly rejected on ITV. It's the internet audience that is fan of those shows.

All of these shows are considered classics with such a strong & relatable plot & flawed characters who evolve over time. Their conversations looks meaningful. One feels with them.

Indian TV shows for so many years have actually ruined Indian audience's mind to a great extent.
For now, goodbye to ITV, except Sony. They have good shows in line right now with fresh content. I can't watch shows dragging the basic plot for months for no reason. Sometimes it's fine to get the emotion right, but otherwise it's not.

I don't want JenShad on any main GEC channel. For TRP, they can play with content & butcher the characters. If JenShad have to come, then I want them to come in web series or in finite weekend show which is romantic & can focus on their chemistry, humor & little of family drama between them or with a strong plot on Sony just like KRP or Beyhadh or something similar.

I will always be pissed that the potential of this show was ruined by the channel. It had an equally good plot of ArNoor to cover that could have showed AdiYa with them & so many other tracks. It even had typical Indian villains in Anjana & Sakshi would have returned an

Arshi you and I think so much alike! That's y a lot of us followed Bepannaah because it was different in the beginning. It was not ITV material at all! If only it ran its true course! There have been very few ITV shows that I followed till the very end and the only one other than BP was ipkknd. It was the very first time that gul n gang came with the concept of akdu boss and simple small town girl. Which was new at that time. But later all guls show were just the same premise. That's y I didn't see Humsafars then. Coz although HC was phenomenal in that I could not take out barun from that saddu boss character that was there even in humsafars. I saw it after bp just for the pure love of HC!! And I literally skimmed thru the episode to just see HC bcoz the other cast and the story was so ridiculous! I hated it! And felt bad that HC was in it. With bp the entire show not just jenshad was watchable. The supporting cast was equally good and there was chemistry between them ALL. Oh well now it's back to netflix and prime for me!!

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Anjali

@arshi_asya

Dazzler

Posted: 6 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Sabi05
Arshi you and I think so much alike! That's y a lot of us followed Bepannaah because it was different in the beginning. It was not ITV material at all! If only it ran its true course! There have been very few ITV shows that I followed till the very end and the only one other than BP was ipkknd. It was the very first time that gul n gang came with the concept of akdu boss and simple small town girl. Which was new at that time. But later all guls show were just the same premise. That's y I didn't see Humsafars then. Coz although HC was phenomenal in that I could not take out barun from that saddu boss character that was there even in humsafars. I saw it after bp just for the pure love of HC!! And I literally skimmed thru the episode to just see HC bcoz the other cast and the story was so ridiculous! I hated it! And felt bad that HC was in it. With bp the entire show not just jenshad was watchable. The supporting cast was equally good and there was chemistry between them ALL. Oh well now it's back to netflix and prime for me!!

Actually IPKKND wasn't original.

Kitni Mohabbat Hai brought this concept first with Akdu boss & sweet, innocent, not-so-rich ladki. Original idea belongs to Ekta Kapoor.

Then Gul brought Geet Hui Sabse Parayi, Maan being akdu boss & Geet being jhalli si ladki who worked in his office as his secretary.

Both Kitni Mohabbat Hai & Geet were rage back then & very hit. But they were more of romance shows for youngsters & not so much family shows.

Then, Gul brought IPKKND1 with same concept but added family in a very balanced way which provided comic & made it a family show rather than just a romance show. Supporting cast played a huge role with the right balance. Success of IPKKND was unexpected. The promos had created a curiosity & pair was good. Everything else fell in line automatically with music & other characters. Drama of contract marriage for 6 months by dragging misunderstanding was not a good watch for me (They never had a talk about why Arnav was angry with Khushi for like 4 months). They had decent character growth for some characters only (majority of them remained same throughout with no shades or evolution). Love story was unrealistic. Khushi who was a good cook working in a fashion designing office, as a model & then as a traditional groomer for her boss's GF. (I felt bad for Lavanya actually). No boss would fall for someone like Khushi in reality. Khushi's dresses never made sense for a really long time. ocus on family made it a family show with some focus on subtle romance. Since it was different & thus it became a hit, even though Arnav treated Khushi like shit in the beginning.

Then Gul brought Qubool Hai. Asad being arrogant MCP & Zoya being a smart, modern engineer who dressed how people in reality would dress. Zoya was Dilshad's relative's adopted daughter, so the love story with Asad actually made sense. Overdose of Tanveer ruined that show. Asad made a better lead than Arnav in the beginning.

Then came Humsafars Sahir being akdu boss & Aarzoo being a talented fashion designer working for Sahir. Even this love story made sense since Aarzoo was close to Sahir's mother through old contacts. Sahir was really dark there to point of playing a sociopath at one point.

IB- better not to talk about it. It looked good initially, but turned mess after some time.

IPK3- Gul did same mistake with IPK3 as in IB & it was her arrogance to piss of IPK1 fans that led to such disastrous failure.

And then came, BP. This shows had one of the best pairs people wanted to see for long. Pairing itself created so much excitement. HC was returning after 3 years & Jenny was already riding on Beyhadh success. Supporting cast was great. All of the characters were layered, each with their own secrets. It had a gripping plot with PooSh murder mystery & an unusual love story to develop. Love story development wasn't forced. From strangers to Adi hating Zoya to becoming her supporter to friendship & then love. It progressed nicely. People could understand even Anjana, Mahi, PooSh & Waseem & sympathize with them here.

I loved both shows immensely but I would love BP more in future because of- gripping plot, good story, layered characters, evolution of characters, variety of emotions & better exploration of chemistry in small time, better progression of story, better love story. Adi wasn't as abusive as Arnav & could apologize when he felt he was wrong. He wasn't blinded by hatred unlike Arnav & could admit his mistakes quickly. Adi hated Zoya only because she was hell bent on trying to erase Yash's doing & only for that time period. He always expressed his anger then & their only rather than making it toxic. Hoodas & Siddiquis belonged to equal status & Aditya-Zoya were on equal level in office, so their friendship made with love story made sense. (In reality a boss is least likely to marry a jhalli ladki but can marry a sophisticated but not so smart business partner for sure who comes from an equally influential family).

Overall, characters of this show weren't like typical leads of other shows Adi & Zoya were different from others.

Except last 2 weeks of BP & Paak rishta track which were an obvious mess, BP will be remembered for being different. There was a reason it became as popular as IPK1. That was the chemistry of AdiYa & strong plot with equally strong supporting cast. Both shows had cast in common.

Edited by arshi_asya - 6 years ago

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Saba

@Sabi05

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Posted: 6 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: arshi_asya

Actually IPKKND wasn't original.

Kitni Mohabbat Hai brought this concept first with Akdu boss & sweet, innocent, not-so-rich ladki. Original idea belongs to Ekta Kapoor.

Then Gul brought Geet Hui Sabse Parayi, Maan being akdu boss & Geet being jhalli si ladki who worked in his office as his secretary.

Both Kitni Mohabbat Hai & Geet were rage back then & very hit. But they were more of romance shows for youngsters & not so much family shows.

Then, Gul brought IPKKND1 with same concept but added family in a very balanced way which provided comic & made it a family show rather than just a romance show. Supporting cast played a huge role with the right balance. Success of IPKKND was unexpected. The promos had created a curiosity & pair was good. Everything else fell in line automatically with music & other characters. Drama of contract marriage for 6 months by dragging misunderstanding was not a good watch for me (They never had a talk about why Arnav was angry with Khushi for like 4 months). They had decent character growth for some characters only (majority of them remained same throughout with no shades or evolution). Love story was unrealistic. Khushi who was a good cook working in a fashion designing office, as a model & then as a traditional groomer for her boss's GF. (I felt bad for Lavanya actually). No boss would fall for someone like Khushi in reality. Khushi's dresses never made sense for a really long time. ocus on family made it a family show with some focus on subtle romance. Since it was different & thus it became a hit, even though Arnav treated Khushi like shit in the beginning.

Then Gul brought Qubool Hai. Asad being arrogant MCP & Zoya being a smart, modern engineer who dressed how people in reality would dress. Zoya was Dilshad's relative's adopted daughter, so the love story with Asad actually made sense. Overdose of Tanveer ruined that show. Asad made a better lead than Arnav in the beginning.

Then came Humsafars Sahir being akdu boss & Aarzoo being a talented fashion designer working for Sahir. Even this love story made sense since Aarzoo was close to Sahir's mother through old contacts. Sahir was really dark there to point of playing a sociopath at one point.

IB- better not to talk about it. It looked good initially, but turned mess after some time.

IPK3- Gul did same mistake with IPK3 as in IB & it was her arrogance to piss of IPK1 fans that led to such disastrous failure.

And then came, BP. This shows had one of the best pairs people wanted to see for long. Pairing itself created so much excitement. HC was returning after 3 years & Jenny was already riding on Beyhadh success. Supporting cast was great. All of the characters were layered, each with their own secrets. It had a gripping plot with PooSh murder mystery & an unusual love story to develop. Love story development wasn't forced. From strangers to Adi hating Zoya to becoming her supporter to friendship & then love. It progressed nicely. People could understand even Anjana, Mahi, PooSh & Waseem & sympathize with them here.

I loved both shows immensely but I would love BP more in future because of- gripping plot, good story, layered characters, evolution of characters, variety of emotions & better exploration of chemistry in small time, better progression of story, better love story. Adi wasn't as abusive as Arnav & could apologize when he felt he was wrong. He wasn't blinded by hatred unlike Arnav & could admit his mistakes quickly. Adi hated Zoya only because she was hell bent on trying to erase Yash's doing & only for that time period. He always expressed his anger then & their only rather than making it toxic. Hoodas & Siddiquis belonged to equal status & Aditya-Zoya were on equal level in office, so their friendship made with love story made sense. (In reality a boss is least likely to marry a jhalli ladki but can marry a sophisticated but not so smart business partner for sure who comes from an equally influential family).

Overall, characters of this show weren't like typical leads of other shows Adi & Zoya were different from others.

Except last 2 weeks of BP & Paak rishta track which were an obvious mess, BP will be remembered for being different. There was a reason it became as popular as IPK1. That was the chemistry of AdiYa & strong plot with equally strong supporting cast. Both shows had cast in common.

Wow you are an IF dazzler for a reason! I hardly remember ipkknd but thanks for reminding me the small details. I would agree with all you wrote. Although I haven't seen any other of the shows you mentioned but you are right ITV tends to repeat the premise of a hit show and churn almost same premis with different packaging. Even Harshad in an interview during Humsafars said the same thing that stories remain same how you present them to audience changes. Right now the trend is supernatural. Again because of ekta ma! 😕 🤢 just because nagin got game everyone want to make supernatural shows. And ausfience also want to watch them. They don't want love stories or thrillers like bepannah. Don't be surprised to see both Jen and HC in a supernatural show next bcoz that's all that is being made now

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Anjali

@arshi_asya

Dazzler

Posted: 6 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: Sabi05

Wow you are an IF dazzler for a reason! I hardly remember ipkknd but thanks for reminding me the small details. I would agree with all you wrote. Although I haven't seen any other of the shows you mentioned but you are right ITV tends to repeat the premise of a hit show and churn almost same premis with different packaging. Even Harshad in an interview during Humsafars said the same thing that stories remain same how you present them to audience changes. Right now the trend is supernatural. Again because of ekta ma! 😕 🤢 just because nagin got game everyone want to make supernatural shows. And ausfience also want to watch them. They don't want love stories or thrillers like bepannah. Don't be surprised to see both Jen and HC in a supernatural show next bcoz that's all that is being made now

Actually I used to watch Dorrdarshan until April 2011. It was only after April 2011, I was exposed to all these shows. But one day I had caught up an episode of Geet at my grandfather's house randomly. I liked it, pair was good & Maan looked great. First EK show I watched was PKYEK, vampires were in rage back then & Vampire Diaries was a hit too. Could only watch half of it on TV since I began to watch it late. Then watched Pavitra Rishta Purvi-Arjun-Ovi track & a few more but soon understood the pattern of shows on ITV & switched to English content long back.

Shows like Uttaran & Laado used to be in rage in my family. And I tried watching them but never got what was so interesting about them. Those shows ran for years without story.

I got detached from Indian shows after I began to watch foreign shows. They atleast don't insult our intelligence & are creative enough & don't drag for long (which was bad sometimes since seasons end on twists leaving you wanting for more)

I have liked only few shows in terms of content on ITV but they couldn't get TRP since the content was too real & were ended abruptly leaving me heartbroken. Most of the shows I left watching after a certain time because they turned into mess with no story & excessive villains for no reason.

Historical shows were no better with all the pseudo-history they presented. I like to watch authentic historical shows. Some creative liberty is fine but not to the extent to completely change the facts. Never liked new mythological shows, since old were too strongly imprinted on my mind.

But my classmates used to talk about these shows. Watched Kitni Mohabbat Hai in 2013 on Youtube on their suggestion.

Some shows I followed from start to end were Dehleez, POW, Mukti Bandhan, BP, IPK1, Sadda Haq, KRPKAB, Beyhadh (watched on & off, it was too negative at times), Saubhagyavati Bhava, Dream Girl, Paakhi, Mein Lakshmi Tere Angan Ki, Roshi & few more.

I maintain safe distance from EK's shows & then from Gul's shows since her QH days & other long running shows.

Joined IF in Sept 2013 to read some Fan fictions of IPK1 & QH Season .

I am dazzler now because in past 8 months, i have made about 2000+ posts in Silsila, BP & IMMJ forum alone (left IMMJ forum in July after 2 weeks of Nia's entry since I stopped watching that show). I was watching these BP & Silsila only at present.

Will now go back to foreign shows or web series whenever I would feel like watching something. Done with ITV for now.

Characters of ITV are too toxic, abuse is normal in them & is hailed as romance, girls literally go gaga over seemingly disturbing scene on the name of chemistry, stereotypes are too heavy & dehumanizing, OTT, loud, hardly relates to reality in everything makeup, dressing & everything else, crying for no reason & all that drama is too negative. That's why when I look back, I don't find IPK1 as that good as it looked back then.

Shows like BP, KRPKAB & Silsila were good for a reasons, they didn't have heavily decked up heroine with heavy makeup & a super arrogant guy who abuses women every now & then. These characters were flawed, real & were criticized when they used to do something wrong rather than praised on the name of chemistry & defended. And forum was a good place to analyze things. SM is too toxic for me especially twitter.

And don't worry they are least likely to do a super-natural show with creepy VFX. Even if they do it, it will have a strong plot, maybe some psychological thriller. A lot of actors have issues with these supernatural shows right now. But who knows, anything can happen.

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