So disappointed- DT NOTE PG 11 - Page 6

Created

Last reply

Replies

81

Views

9.9k

Users

37

Likes

460

Frequent Posters

koolsadhu1000 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 11 years ago
#51
Oh , i am not saying before nikaah at all ...even post nikaah i am not taking any sides , it was a forced nikaah and both were thrown in together , i understand the irritation and attitude etc .

I am talking of NOW . Things have definetely changed ...both r now truly in the boat of marraige . Zain has helped her father by giving a year's pay , agreed to give Fahaad his share at her word etc . Beintehaa has come a long way and this zubbu poking his nose in husband wife things is tooo much for me at least .


SunoNa123 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Beintehaa has come a long way and this zubbu poking his nose in husband wife things is tooo much for me at least .



This i agree with!
67370 thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#53
@koolsadhu1000:
My only question from thursday-friday episode is:
Aaliya-Zain had clear reasons to attend the party. Instead of working on it why were both wasting time? They were not the dating couple, but someone who had spent time with each other and certainly more than 100 days.

Thanks to CV's for the mess! I still fail to see the reason why they brought in Zubbu when they were not done with Barkat.
pari87 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#54
Kools, happy to find you on this forum!! :) :) I read, but a rarely ever post here..but your post prompts me to write my thoughts on the same thing too!

While, I do think Zain is very wrong on his part too, for behaving the way he did on the night of the dance, I also think Aliya is wrong too. Zain, has no right to get sloshed, dance with other girls and then physically be aggressive with Aliya like that, pulling her hair and all. If I were Aliya, I'd probably tell him off on that and need some space myself.

On Aliya's part, yes the over friendly-ness was a bit out of character for her. Plus, I don't blame Zain for having doubts, because Zain and Aliya are cousins too and they did get married, didn't they? So, him thinking of possible romantic feelings between Zubbu and Aliya is not far fetched. Very possible, especially with the over friendly-ness between the two. And he hasn't seen Aliya like this with anyone else, even Aayat. She does not share dil ki baat with ammi, fufi, behen, etc but shares dil ki baat with zubbu, and that will get Zain upset obviously.

I don't think Zain minced words while telling Aliya what is bothering him. It was very evident. And Aliya should understand that walking off to maika and giving him space is not the solution. Solution is to first clear the MU that Zubbu is nothing but a cousin. Infact, when Zain was telling her how she keeps doing Zubbu all day and tells him their relationship issues, she kept parrotting that Zubbu is not at fault, frustrating him further. She should have told him that she is sorry that she shared their private relationship details with him and that's that. Because, yes, Zain has a right to be upset about that. Wouldn't Aliya be, if Zain had a chipkoo sorts female cousin who he hung out with all day and also shared private intimate details of his relationship with Aliya to her? Zain, so far, has not confided in anybody about their relationship status, but he sees Aliya go on and happily confide in Zubbu, before even talking to Zain about it. That is very wrong, 18th century or 28th century. No husband wife like that their respective others shares details with other people.

And Aliya is right in telling Zain that he needs to figure his feelings out himself, because his behavior was not kosher either. Manhandling your wife because you are upset is no excuse. He does act bipolar too and whenever he feels like sunaos Aliya, whether it is during Barkat scene or this. And, Idon't understand this help needed to say I love you to husband. Zubbu is not needed at all. In fact they might have todl each other by now if Zubair had not come into the picture. Zubair also hanging around everytime husband wife are having a moment is stupid. He has to know his hadd also. They might be close cousins and love each other like brother-sister, but marriages have their line too. And no third person should be allowed by either wife/husband to cross that. Aliya let Zubbu in, and Zain has the right to be upset.

Well, he has come to maika to get her now. But I wish Aliya says sorry first. And Zain apologizes too for his misbehavior. Not just kaan pakadna, but say it out loud. I think they are not yet at that stage where they both have told each other formally they love each other, and taken their relationship to that kind of understanding and formal husband-wife feeling. They still act and behave like friends as they have established that territory as of now. When they do go to the husband-wife level, I might expect a little more grown up and mature behavior on both ends. Right now, I'm letting this slide.



SunoNa123 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 11 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: pari87

But I wish Aliya says sorry first. And Zain apologizes too for his misbehavior. Not just kaan pakadna, but say it out loud. I think they are not yet at that stage where they both have told each other formally they love each other, and taken their relationship to that kind of understanding and formal husband-wife feeling. They still act and behave like friends as they have established that territory as of now. When they do go to the husband-wife level, I might expect a little more grown up and mature behavior on both ends. Right now, I'm letting this slide.




You have put it across well .
If not anything else atleast i hope we get this frm whatever has happened, the circumstances lead them do alot of things unknowingly , now that she knows what hurt him and where she could have beenw rong and he realize he cant behave like that with her, and if both can put aside their EGO's and accept and apologize and move on, then i would be a happy camper..
They will land up having a better understanding further and also learn certain things from this..
life is all about learning and growing at each stage, u will keep knowing ur partner better and better..

And the CVs need to get away with all these idiotic cameos..
Edited by -sylph- - 11 years ago
koolsadhu1000 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 11 years ago
#56
Pari , i have only commented on the intense provocation by Aliya and Zubbu . I never say Zain is right but in this case , she went way out of line and later drove him to go way out of line . This Zubbu needs to go to Bhopal and behave exactly as he did in front of Ghulam Saab and Fufs . I am surprised Suraiyya did not blast Aaliya this time or did she , did i miss the episode . A spouse can only take so much ...fights r ugly , men drink while wives flounce off to maika . It is Zain's house and Zain's wife and importance is constantly given to Zubbu not him under his nose ...how is a man supposed to feel pari . How is a husband supposed to feel ...and when its pointed out the argument is we r girls of TODAY , its perfectly normal . I bet the expectation is after her provocative nonsense he must go , fetch her from maika and apologize on bended knees ...and perhaps even hug Zubbu Bubbu . Kiss him on both cheeks perhaps . Zain was coming along just fine till she messed it up with her uncalled for affinity to an outsider . I would flip my lid if my boyfriend goes Tabu Tabu all day long with a girl called , say , Tabitha . Its too much .
pari87 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Pari , i have only commented on the intense provocation by Aliya and Zubbu . I never say Zain is right but in this case , she went way out of line and later drove him to go way out of line . This Zubbu needs to go to Bhopal and behave exactly as he did in front of Ghulam Saab and Fufs . I am surprised Suraiyya did not blast Aaliya this time or did she , did i miss the episode . A spouse can only take so much ...fights r ugly , men drink while wives flounce off to maika . It is Zain's house and Zain's wife and importance is constantly given to Zubbu not him under his nose ...how is a man supposed to feel pari . How is a husband supposed to feel ...and when its pointed out the argument is we r girls of TODAY , its perfectly normal . I bet the expectation is after her provocative nonsense he must go , fetch her from maika and apologize on bended knees ...and perhaps even hug Zubbu Bubbu . Kiss him on both cheeks perhaps . Zain was coming along just fine till she messed it up with her uncalled for affinity to an outsider . I would flip my lid if my boyfriend goes Tabu Tabu all day long with a girl called , say , Tabitha . Its too much .


hahahaha Kools! I love the name Zubbu Bubbu you have given. Totally goes with how he is introduced. I agree. I have no qualms about her relationship with Zubbu, but divulging her intimate relationship status with Zain to him was very out of line. My problem is that. Why talk about your marriage and reveal things to him, when you have not even established that with your husband yet? Yes, if two people are in love and dating, it is common to share with friends because you don't have a concrete relationship yet so need advice or whatever. But, when you are married, there is a sanctimonious relationship, and you have the "haq" to talk to husband about whatever concerns him, so why include third person in this equation?

But, I do get your point too. I feel it was very silly to show that Aliya did not understand what was bothering Zain. Even I did not understand why she invited Zubbu to the party and stuck around him, when the idea was to go to the party with Zain and tell him how she feels. Why dance with Zubbu? Dance with Zain na. I understand that sometimes you have close relationships with guy friends or cousins and you may not see anything wrong with it, because for you, they remain the same, even after you are married. So I understand that Aliya did not change her behavior with Zubair and she behaved like she probably used to with him even before she was married. She regards him like a cousin so sees no reason to keep in mind distance and all that. But, my irk lies in the fact that Zain made it very obvious what was troubling him and what he did not like. Also, as close a guy friend or cousin is, one does not sidelines husband to give him all attention instead. So then why not introspect and apologize for making him so uncomfortable. It is after Zain;s behavior, that I got mad at Aliya. Even after he sarcastically laments on her closeness with Zubbu, she is still stuck on the phone with him after going to Bhopal. If you are giving space to Zain, take some space yourself and try and introspect into what your husband got so upset about na? And if he mentioned Zubbu like 100 times in a mocking manner ( even said he will break his face and claimed he did not like her divulging their relationship details to him) she continues to talk to zubbu while not making a call to zain. How would any husband feel?


😆 to Tabu tabu and Tabitha :P
pari87 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#58
interesting point would be like you said to see if Zubbu and Aloo continue this close camaraderie in front of Zain in Bhopal. I would like to very much see Shabana's reaction too. Aliya would be reprimanded for sure by her mother.


0-SD-0 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 11 years ago
#59
First time posting here. My friend Nels here asked me to watch the show and I did watch the entire show in the weekend. Crazy it is, but I did it anyways.

So coming back to the popular post of today.

I would neither agree or disagree to the post and yet respond to this post by explaining why I do not choose to take the matter that seriously.

I had an offline discussion with one of other dormant forum friend and she queried puzzlingly to me asking, if I did not find it childish enough to want to have seen all the episodes. Then my answers to her were many. And here I compile all that in one go.

1) Towards the Post. @koolsadhu1000. We just need to gulp it down, as many of these soap stories are essentially what you write. Nothing different about these love stories. The writers and Production Houses write fiction that sells. And People at large in the world are not greatly influenced by TV Soap Dramas...thanks to contrasting ground work by activist organizations world wide and Policies and Governance formulated by Governments closely working through women's groups. Now if we keep out the inspiring and influential aspect out of the Indian soap drama and just concentrate on the doled out pulp fiction of a supposed to be passionate and limitless love stories, then we can go for story construction, which now follows.

2) When I watched the soap, I could not help remembering the love stories on all the channels. I had long time back written few lines when I watched Madhubala. It basically is the same formula for all soap stories.

Kabhi Humne kheencha tumhe toh Kabhi tumne hameh sambhaala |
Dekhenge tumhe hum sadaa, kabhi tukur tukur ke, Kabhi ghoor ghoor ke|
Kabhi dard mein, kabhi gusse mein, kabhi khushi mein, kabhi madhoshi mein |
Yeh ishq aur junoon jo nibhaana hai hameh tumse ||

I just laugh at it everytime I read that.

3) Now of all the lovestories that I could see traces of, the most recurring images were from two soaps. a) Pyaar ka Dard Meetha Meetha Pyara Pyara b) Madhubala Ek Ishq Ek Junoon
Then I asked myself, why I keep seeing so many similarities here. Then ofcourse the answer was that MEIEJ was Colors Love Story formula. And I looked at the Writing team. I saw the name Sonali Jaffer. Instantly, I saw, Yeah! She did write the inception and initial glory of MEIEJ. Then I checked Pyaar Ka Dard. And there she was. Sonali Jaffer wrote that as well.

4) So we know the common stuff across Telly world and the challenges of keeping a daily soap running 5 times a week every day until it keeps itself afloat. To me its a writer and Production House and Channel's daily husting business. When I call it a hustling Business, it pretty much takes away the capacity of principled business that runs on a established timeline for sure, such as for a Season atleast like in international arena. For me hustling is not character, its mere survival through creativity or recycling of same ideas, that sell.

5) And yet the hustling business also needs a product and its marketable package. What is that product and what is the package. ofcourse that is your title track, that later on gets expanded as per increasing storyline. Ding Ding ...here the winner is title track, which tells us the stuff, we should actually look for being critical of the story or main characters. These days there is no life to supporting characters. They are just pillars and walls for holding the house of the main characters. The pillars of the story ofcourse are Usman Abdulla (Zain's father) and Shabana Ghulam Hyder (Aaliya's mother). Rest every one are walls and they will be dismantled and rebuilt as per story's requirements. These are the props of today's TV world. Song, Lead characters, Supporting Cast for Pillars and Walls, Guest Actors for catalystic addition to the plot, as in plot drivers that cause change in lead characters and Walls of the house.

6) Now I must say that I liked the original sound track. Here listen to the lyrics.
That pretty much gives us the story line and story direction. Anything in the story dynamics, it has to reflect the question of being BeIntehaa (Limitless and Boundless) ...An infinite love amidst Not limited in any capacity, Not Binding in any capacity. Now is the story true in that regard ?!!! Yes, it is. It hold true even now.

7) What is the story and the relationship of the protagonists like ?!! To quote myself what I was writing to my other friend in a chat,
"Yes, childishness, is the essence of the relationship. The children at heart suddenly thrown before each other after growing up and forced to marry under circumstances. They are adults before everyone except themselves. The silver line in the cloud is that their admiration for each other as man and woman, the mutual attraction, that the children at heart find it hard to see the lining that clearly demarcates that they stop being what they were to each other and accept that they are no more children. However the most memorable line to abt that song is...ranjish...jahaan ki bandish. Now I am thinking jahaan ki ranjish.

Jahaan ki bandish...is following conventions. And person like me...who is strongly respecful of valuable traditions is at the same time is abhorrent of every kind of convention that limits freedom. Convention should be security, wisdom and cheat sheet of construction of happiness but not happiness itself.

Coming back to the two kids...the conventions liking girl is god praying and seeking direction through her god and elders advice. But the same conventional girl who finds happiness serving her parents and mamoos wishes and teachings, is thrilled and excited at the unconventional cousin and now husband in front of her. She finds it hard to believe that other person is competitive and that too not being like her. The girl when she understands that happiness is when you look at the outcome and not the details and deviations of way to that happiness is when she would have matured and life becomes easy for her. And she has to understand that she feels the guilt of it, of liking a person that her conventions tell her not to like it. It is eternal fight on telesoap romantic fiction...

But the lyrics talk about freedom from conventions of creations, beginnings, conventions of purity through tests, talks abt flowing truths like the elemental waves and currents of water mass through wind, space and fire dynamics.

That is what comes across to my mind when I listened to the song. And perhaps that's why my friend was wanting me to listen and see it so much so that she can express to me what she felt. Its embarrassing that one gets these epiphanies through a crappy telesoap...but true is the emotional experience through listening to a lyrical musical accompaniment.

8)When we see all this through this kind of charitable eye, we would just dismiss Aaliya, action of going to Maika, as any normal action that comes from a Colors Lead female character. They act righteously but not intelligently, as otherwise, how would their dark hero explain how he compliments her?!!! Zain is going be intelligent but act most unscrupulously as he is going be a problem solver for the female lead who actually is the problem solver for not only all the characters of the story, is also the changer of the hero. But then she needs support. So the hero will support her and get changed too. The heroine then becomes a winner - all round.

9)How to explain an unintelligent action as the most right thing to do.
a) Make the clear headed hero commit a mistake, not too grave, just enough to upset the heroine. That way he irks female lead fans and also ensures his fan following. So Zain, being very clear and having done right things so far, has been still able to maintain his boyish immaturity before the female lead. That is actually the story. But then when he says, if you think it is compromise, why the pretense of taking care of me. Don't do it. Those are the last words which are actually wise. Upon this the Aaliya has acted. She cannot undermine what Zain has said, and cannot continue doing things for him at his discomfort. And she also is confident that for Zain the marriage holds true except for being a bookish husband of her dreams.

b)On that confidence she thinks of giving space to her husband for few days, gets away from the problem causing Zubbu and sends a diplomatic message to her husband that shows him, that she is still in their game and not ready to lose.

c)Now this action gets a befitting response from her husband. At first he panics, then it dawns on him in few seconds, why is he running, when his wife already said that she will return back. So why worry and why not enjoy few days of freedom without her, even if to show off to her, his resilience. On a different note, this action of her absence is the plot driving action for Barkat to create enough mess that has to have befalling bad consequences/times on BarkatVilla.

10) And all of it is appealing to the viewers. Because, very gaurdedly, they have made the matter of love, hurt as private matter between the two. If Aaliya wishes, she can just slap Zain. But since she does not want to, she will not. And this is actually the most magnetic appeal towards Aaliya for Zain. He can forever be playful with his wife, as she provides game for him all the time. While he was on fun roll before marriage, after marriage, he has started work and being responsible, but he still gets fun of being gamer and having fun through his wife. After all, when you have a partner that brings the best and worst out of you, you are more likely to pledge yourself with him/her, as it is a home and security without any masking.
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 11 years ago
koolsadhu1000 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 11 years ago
#60
So I understand that Aliya did not change her behavior with Zubair and she behaved like she probably used to with him even before she was married.


As i see it , this is where most girls and even men go wrong today . U see , things do change after marraige ...and both women and men need to realize that friendships with the opposite sex need to be carefully presented to spouse . No wife likes ex girlfriend or cousin or best friend [ female] of husband talking to him all day long about intimate matters and calling him by special nicknames . Who r we kidding when we say we r modern women of today and its normal and forward and husband must swallow it . Go and ask any guy the truth and how he really feels and if u really love the guy keep ego aside for a minute and think of HIS feelings . Thats love . If a guy flaunts his best female friend in college all day long in front off his uncomplaining wife girls r quick to call him an insensitive jerk . A generation back mothers frowned on the best friendships outside marraige and we thought it was so regressive and backward but they knew that some facts never change with eras do they . They insisted that for a husband wife must be the best friend and for wife husband must be the best friend . They foresaw these troubles right .

U know what it is .

Behave anyhow in front of husband with a male friend under the excuse of being today's woman .

Behave to a point where he is driven to drink and the beast in him is awakened .
[ Oh so passionate . So ...er ...hot . Men r so hot when they r such cute lil beasts . So long as the beast is in control , that is , he does not get violent etc , he is droolworthy and amusing .]


But there is no allowance for the fact that the beast may just get out of control . He may , for instance , manhandle his wife in a drunken stupor . When he does that , its conveniently forgotten that oh i awoke the beast in him by prodding , and u run to maika with tears . Expecting him to come crawling back and perhaps even understanding the guy friend of yours .

It is at this point that the emasculation of man is complete .

I felt very very sorry for Zain . And me being me , i had to voice it , knowing fully well that my post won't be popular .

Zubbu Bubbu needs to be sent PACKING . Why Zain , Aliya needs some introspection too , of her own behaviour and about the concept of marraige . I absolutely do not mind if Zain apologises , it would be a cute milaap [ especially if make up sex comes in the picture too which they won't show so soon😉] but the true apology is her due as she started it .




Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".