Events of 17.03.15 (My views)

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Okay, even after yesterday's episode, the mood in the forum is still stuck on what happened on the episode of 17th March. And that is obvious considering what happened was something not ever seen before on Indian television. Many words have been thrown around. Abuse, torture and the like. I would like to put forward my two cents on what happened as well. This is just my take and you are not obliged in any way to share my views and I would love to know yours.

Lets rewind a little bit. I might as well start with the slimy little ball of sleaze otherwise known as Chuniya😡. He played his cards really well. I have to give that to him. He called Lakhan and made it sound like Poonam was being bullied. He knew ( I don't know how though. Maybe it is general knowledge in Begusarai) that when it comes to Poonam, Lakhan loses his restraint and becomes the human version of an angry bull. Poonam is the metaphorical red flag to his character. She is the one capable of pacifying him and the one capable of pushing him beyond his limits. Lakhan when he charged after those boys believed it in his heart that he was saving Poonam, defending her honor and the like. His poor shy, timid little fiance who can barely string a coherent sentence together was forced to sing in front of a bunch of strangers. They must have coerced her. Or so he thought. And so he did what he always does. He punished them.

And then our resident sleazebag, Chuniya went and told Mithilesh that Poonam was laughing and singing gaily in front of the boys (which is near the truth but not quite). He used the age old adage that the best lies are the ones with a grain of truth in them. But did anyone else notice that Chuniya (I have such a wonderful rhyming word for his name that would fit him perfectly)😆 went to Mithilesh and said that stuff about Poonam? While pointing his fingers at poonam, he did not do so in front of lakhan. No. Because he was well aware that had he done so; had he said to Lakhan ki "Poonam ji ki galti he" directly, Lakhan would have fed him to the dogs. Literally.

But that part about Poonam enjoying the ragging came from Mithilesh. His elder brother who also included and might I repeat "achche se pooch taach kar chuke he hum." Mithilesh told Lakhan that he has already done his enquiries and found poonam guilty. Now imagine here, the fiance whom you desire, and who does not even meet your eyes properly sings in front of strangers and happily too. Hurt. Betrayal. And finally disappointment. And while he was already hurt Mithilesh added to it by saying he has no control over his wife, hurting his male ego and striking an already sore chord with him. He is very aware that Poonam does not love him the way he does. He is also aware that Poonam would rather listen to Priyom than him.

Now lets come to how Lakhan reacted to this. Imagine someone else in Lakhan's place. Manjeeta would have beaten his wife black and blue. Maya would have in most likelihood been shamed in front of the entire family and then shunned by Mithilesh. It is amazing how Lakhan shows restraint only when it comes to Poonam. What happened after was an original scene never done before in Indian television. Usually when the angry young heroes get mad in a show, they shove a girl against a wall, door , whatever other surface is available , then grasps her wrists or arms and taunts her or slaps her or just neglects her and let the charming in laws torture her. And yet that is true love.

Lakhan ka anger did not stem from any misplaced sense of ownership over Poonam. It stemmed from the fact that he is always the one who had to maintain a distance from her and the fact that she is always skittish around him. He gave her a punishment that he thought was fitting the crime. He thought Poonam had enjoyed unwarranted attention and so in return he lavished her with attention. Attention she did not want. Being the centre of attention when she did not want to be one was her punishment. Was it abuse? Depends on how you define abuse. Harming a person physically, mentally or verbally is abuse. What Lakhan did to Poonam was crowd her space and make her feel guilty. But still whatever Lakhan did was unwarranted and not justifiable. But I can bet you anything that one sentence from Poonam. The thing she told her mother that she was not at fault. That she did not do anything. Had she said the same thing to Lakhan while looking in his eyes, then Chuniya would have been six feet under by now. But Poonam was already scared shitless. He had just witnessed her father slapping her mother.

That is what has been happening for so long, isn't it? Poonam's fear for Lakhan is more psychological than real. She is directing her fear towards her father towards Lakhan. Lakhan like Manjeeta is a man of few words and so she fears that her fate will be the same as her mother's. But she does not know that her case is vastly different from her mother's. Her father cares little about her mother. But Poonam just so happens to be the focal point around which Lakhan has made an existence for himself. She is paramount in his life. Whereas in her father's life it is the Thakurs who are paramount and everything even his family comes secondary.

Lakhan is not the modern enlightened meterosexual *read wimpy* cosmopolitan man (thank goodness for that). His thoughts, his views and his love is that of a bygone era. The zamaana when men when they said they loved you actually meant it. When the word was not just thrown around as a casual figure of speech and used randomly for everyone you took a fancy to. When you did not have to say the word "pyaar" every five minutes to make the other person understand that you love him/her. When actions used to speak louder than words. Let us take a look at his actions and I am going to list things borrowed from a discussion with my hearts, Anky Chan and CP Senpai.

1) When he went there to beat the boys, he first visited Poonam. Was that just a filler? No I don't think so. He wanted to visit her first, reassure himself of her safety. He must have thought she was bullied and so he wanted her to see that he was dishing out the punishment to the ones who bothered her.

2) He uses "aap" with her. I never noticed this but Couch Potato pointed it out to me. Puri duniya ko gaali denga par Poonam is always "aap". Even when he is scolding her, even then she is "aap".

3) Seriously was I the only one who saw the hurt in his eyes while he was scolding Poonam? He was raging and his face was angry but his eyes were glazed over and misty. I know I was not the only one to see that because anky chan did too.

4) Once the suit modeling part was over and they were in their jeep. Once his anger had resided and he had calmed down, his voice and eyes both softened. He tried to take the bite out of his harshness with her by being soft with her.


BotBoth Lakhan and Poonam are victims of their natures. It has been hinted on earlier too. He does not ask, she does not tell. He wants, she withdraws. He is used to raging and she is used to flinching. They are two pieces of puzzles who probably do not fit together but make a beautiful picture nonetheless.(in my eyes)

Now lets come to the discussion of whether Lakhan is too possessive. Firstly, I have not met any man who is not possessive by some measure. Either of his girlfriend, wife, sister or daughter. But is Lakhan over possessive? Beyond the limits of what is healthy. After the beating of Mr. Yellow Shirt, most are of the opinion that he is over possessive. But I have seen and understood that those guys were beaten because Chuniya led Lakhan to believe that those guys were teasing her. Remember when he told Mithilesh "Wo Poonam ko chcher rahe the."? Had he been overtly possessive of Poonam, do you honestly think he would have tolerated her close friendship with Priyom? The well known womanizer? I don't think so. Even normal boyfriends won't let their girlfriends , let alone their fiances have any sort of proximity to Priyom.

On a parting note, did any of you notice that Lakhan always refers to Poonam as his dharam patni? Not hone waali dharam patni...But direct dharam patni. So basically in his head Poonam is already his wife.😆

Now I don't know what path this story will go down. But I am rooting for this pair and Priyom-Bindiya pair. Because anything else would make the show dreadfully predictable. If Poonam and Priyom get together, we would have two sets of antagonists at our disposal. Bindiya and Lakhan. Which would ultimately make the show dreadfully predictable. And predictability is not what I signed up for when I started watching Begusarai.

P.S- Shweta Tiwari is too brilliant to have her talent wasted as an out and out antagonist.

I would love to hear your views even if they are contradictory. But it is a humble request that while presenting your views do not try to undermine mine or anyone else's. And also direct or indirect digs at my or someone else's person will not be welcome. I am usually a very amiable person but trust me, I am fully capable of replying to insults.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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You already stated out my views! No fair Kish!


Alrighgty then, since not much has been left for me to elaborate on, I would just point out a few things.


1. How do you even trust the word of a guy who's father your family murdered? Who was robbed and left to exist on nothing only because of your family? The Thakurs are letting the power get to their head if they think they can trust absolutely everybody in Begusarai.

2. Laakhan - See, He will be the most misunderstood character in the forum, and I will always urge everyone to treat each character with kindness and try their best to understand the workings of a character rather than the physical scenes. Its so much more fun that way.

3. Poonam - She is not getting out of her shell anytime soon. Let us make peace with the fact because the kind of conditioning she has gotten all her life, she is a mere robot who follows orders. So EXPECTING her to do something on her own will is out of question right now, so complaining about it will do no good to anybody.


4. Laakham - They will be pain throughout. You will not enjoy the journey and if you have chosen Laakham as your OTP in this serial, might as well accept the fact that you're a masochist. The scenes these two have won't give you as much happiness as they give you pain. But the pain will be worth it.


5. PriNam - They are playful. For some, they are soothing and amazing and all sorts of goodness. And I am glad for that. Because the dynamics between these two are as important as any other.


6. Now come the scenes. The Laakham scenes which impacts almost every viewer in some way or the other.

- The earrings snatching from that women was cruel. And their is no justifying it. But remember that he is called "Bail Budhdhi" for a reason. He doesn't know how to behave. He doesn't gift flowers/chocolates/teddy bears. He doesn't know how to gift, but he wants to gift her something. Had she opened her mouth and asked for something properly, the earrings would not have been snatched. But that is not Poonam either. Poonam is the mute timid girl who doesn't like meeting anyone's.. especially Laakhan's eyes. So we had the ending of the scene with Bloodshed.

- The pitaai. Why wouldn't he first come to see her? He needed to see something other than the red that was flashing and throbbing in front of his eyes after hearing that someone had the guts to dirty his pure flower. He needed to see her alright, and then he could wreak havoc on everything else. It is always the case with him. She should be alright. She should be in front of his eyes. She should be okay. The rest of the world can burn for all he knows. And that's why he sees her and threatens the whole world to never lay their eyes on her or he'll burn them to the ground. This scene ended up with bloodshed too for the only fact that he wanted to save her and she didn't know what to do to pacify him.

- The suit parade. I had said this somewhere already, and I am tired by now, so I will say the same thing. Poonam telling him the same thing she told her mother would have resulted in the death of Chuniya and no parade whatsoever. But I don't blame anybody for this. These two are really the type that are not made for each other. They don't fit. And that is what makes this interesting. If they fit... If they were the typical kind, I would never have given them my attention and time. At the end of it all, it was, "Kal se lene aur chodhne aapko hum jaayenge. Suniye, woh aakhri wala suit peheniyega, woh achcha lag raha tha."

He melts. He calms down too. But by then, he is irredeemable. His warmth, his nurture, his care is worthless by the time it reaches Poonam. And she wants nothing of it.

She just wants to leave him, and leaves not even listening to his warm voice that is a rarity and only reserved for her if she ever paid any attention. She leaves all his presents too. She doesn't want anything from him. And this results in an underlying pain for both of them.

Edited by _SenbonZakura_ - 10 years ago
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Payback for me not commenting?
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Omg ... you and zakura explained so well...i m totally agree with you 👏 every scene explained brilliantly.. even i saw tears in his eyes but poonam have no guts to look in her eyes and feels hus pain..he can only listen his arsh voice and act...
And zakura rightly said..its a painful story of laakham...

Even i made post earlier to understand this track... as poonam wants to live like poonam in college for some hours...but she forgot thakur name associated with her... she cant deny it willingly or unwillingly... and thakurs are king...and king have enemies...and enemies are only in wait of one mistake which Chuniya got and he set up his master plan and exected well...

But as serial is just started...only 2 weeks passes with 12 epis... and their charactes are in development... till this time..laakhan is khatarnak as shown by makers and promos that he act first and then think...no one dare to speak in front of him...and poonam is shy timid girl... so it will take time to see development in their characters... every epi come with new taste...one day ypu hate one act but on next day you will get ans... so laakham is jst started and i will enjoy this ride... i love laakham ..coz i can see that pain in their story which forced me to love them...

As e24 segment... he cant hear one word against poonam...when he heard she was being ragged , he took action and beats those boys but this time he hears by himself so he loose his temper...
Poonam fear is justified as she has seen his father...she think lakhan treat her like this... but nooo... you rightly said...poonam is his paramounts while manchita have thakur... manchita said he will lill her daughter for thakur and laakhan said i will kill you for calling my poonam wrong...

Even he is bail bhudhi...then he can easily slap her to show his anger and what mithilesh said about poonam... but he cant hit him...he calmed down later but that was unreachble to poonam...

I m looking frwd for their painful story...its my choice...

Bang on post and reply by zakura...must needed post...thankewww 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hats off to you for being so patient and writing an essay.

And trying to understand laakhan 's character so deeply but no matter how understanding you become towards him ,that wont change the fact he is wrong.And what he does with poonam is wrong.YES He has side to his personality where he can CHANGE.But at this time,he is wrong,he isnt able to understand whats poonam s needs in life.Whats poonam likes.

LOVE is not about you but about other person.

You are saying if poonam doesnt speak openly so how will he understand her ,but isnt her discomfort visible on her face?Poonam is shit scared of him ,what do you expect from her ?And poonam cant change him ,if poonam was like bindiya then propably she would change.

Poonam doesnt understand laakhan 's love ,i disagree with this because poonam understands laakhan and tries every possible way to agree with him,to understand his love but she cant change him.

So i feel in the long run,its priyom and poonam ,there is nothing in bindya and priyom ,they just flirt and thats it.

I feel lakhan will become negative and his friendship will get destroyed with priyom.Bindiya will more put aag mein ghee in fire ,becoz she anyways wont be accepted ,and its her aim to destroy the ekta or else she will have a track with phoolan.

But when it comes to relationships,lakhan and poonam,its one sided ,it ' s all about laakhan.But i like laakhan ,but wont defend him.
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Hi.
So I actually started watching Begusarai in this very episode and I found a lot of inner dynamics in Laakhan and Poonam. Poonam is so afraid of him. And I guess a lot of the fear is due to the way the father treats her mother. I mean, the man slapped his wife for defending the daughter. Typical patriarchal prick. And then Laakhan comes and I assume he is the same. The flashback showed him beating some guys up and being violent, so I really felt for this girl.

And then he takes her shopping and is terrifying. And then makes her try on dresses? Twice? He taunts her and embarrasses her but she is aa silent as ever. But you can smell the fear and yet a growing apathy with her. The man in front of her means nothing to her. He introduces her as his wife, and she is visibly appalled by it. And till then, I get it. He is brusque and rough and uncouth and not at all attractive. I pity her.

But then, you have the ride home in the Jeep. And.. He strangely has softened and knows she is tired and is more gentle. And when she turns her back, the change in him is so startling. He looks almost human and vulnerable and you can see the love almost shining out. She doesnt. She repeats his taunts to herself. She doesn't notice him at all. Does he act rough so that she looks at him? Is he so uncouth, even to her, because he knows the effect she has on him? Does he order her around because that's all he knows and she terrifies him?

Mystique brought out the dynamics really well. And I love the small insights she gives aboit the other characters as well. I really dont Priyom to win Poonam, although I do see the way she looks at him and smiles at him. Bindiya amuses me. She puts on a mask and is such a Mohini (RR reference) . Atleast she'll go after what she wants.

I said.. I wouldn't write anything about this show. But that scene gripped her.

I blame(thank?) You, Anky!



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Originally posted by: tanvismile

Hats off to you for being so patient and writing an essay.

And trying to understand laakhan 's character so deeply but no matter how understanding you become towards him ,that wont change the fact he is wrong.And what he does with poonam is wrong.YES He has side to his personality where he can CHANGE.But at this time,he is wrong,he isnt able to understand whats poonam s needs in life.Whats poonam likes.

LOVE is not about you but about other person.

You are saying if poonam doesnt speak openly so how will he understand her ,but isnt her discomfort visible on her face?Poonam is shit scared of him ,what do you expect from her ?And poonam cant change him ,if poonam was like bindiya then propably she would change.

Where did you imagine up this piece of gem from? Where exactly did I write that it poonam' fault for not speaking up? Where exactly? Kindly quote because i read the post twice and there was no such thing written.

Poonam doesnt understand laakhan 's love ,i disagree with this because poonam understands laakhan and tries every possible way to agree with him,to understand his love but she cant change him.

Oh you free to disagree but what exactly are you disagreeing with? Are we still talking about my post? I am kinda lost to be honest. Where did I mention that poonam does not understand Lakhan ka Lou. I did not agree to anything for you to disagree with me
So i feel in the long run,its priyom and poonam ,there is nothing in bindya and priyom ,they just flirt and thats it.

I feel lakhan will become negative and his friendship will get destroyed with priyom.Bindiya will more put aag mein ghee in fire ,becoz she anyways wont be accepted ,and its her aim to destroy the ekta or else she will have a track with phoolan.

But when it comes to relationships,lakhan and poonam,its one sided ,it ' s all about laakhan.But i like laakhan ,but wont defend him.

Right.. Thanks you so much for taking out valuable time to comment an essay in reply to the one I wrote.. More so because you did not agree with anything in the first place. Amazingly kind you are. Also did you miss the memo in italics where I told everyone to present their views without taking a dig at me or anyone else. It is pretty simple.. Here is how you do it. You start your comment with "my personal opinion is" or "I think" instead of "so you are saying" or "you think". Avoid the yous altogether
I am here for a discussion not to engage in a conversation or a verbal match and you would be surprised to know there is a difference.
Also are you reading the post I wrote or are you hallucinating a new one? If anyone is dense enough to misconstrue whatever I say and be annoying on a general level then I do believe I am not at fault.
Ciao.
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@Mystique.Kishi and @Zakura... O M G !!!! 😲⭐️




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P.S. - Sorry if the gif dosent look good enough, but whatever is in it...is my reaction...😆


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Originally posted by: ---Anu---

@Mystique.Kishi and @Zakura... O M G !!!!😲⭐️




😛😆😆

P.S. - Sorry if the gif dosent look good enough, but whatever is in it...is my reaction...😆





CASTLEEE!!! AAAYYYEEE!! * HYPERVENTILATES AND FANGIRLS OVER HIM*
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Originally posted by: Mystique.Kishi

Right.. Thanks you so much for taking out valuable time to comment an essay in reply to the one I wrote.. More so because you did not agree with anything in the first place. Amazingly kind you are. Also did you miss the memo in italics where I told everyone to present their views without taking a dig at me or anyone else. It is pretty simple.. Here is how you do it. You start your comment with "my personal opinion is" or "I think" instead of "so you are saying" or "you think". Avoid the yous altogether
I am here for a discussion not to engage in a conversation or a verbal match and you would be surprised to know there is a difference.
Also are you reading the post I wrote or are you hallucinating a new one? If anyone is dense enough to misconstrue whatever I say and be annoying on a general level then I do believe I am not at fault.
Ciao.

but then tell me why a post in laakhan s defence ,why so much scrutinizing laakhan so much ,what is it to prove ,and i have seen in some posts where people say poonam doesnt understand his love ,even the point u raised where u think her fear is more phycological then real.I disagree ,the same girl is more open and normal with priyom
why not with laakhan ??Priyom and lakhan are of same generation.If s its phycological,shoudnt
it be same to lakhan and priyom,she doesnt even get scared of phoolan thakur ,she bows
herself as a sign of respect.See i m not interested in targetting you.We can ignore stuff which leads
to fights.You dint speak about anything what i wrote characters rather looked in for the flaws just becoz
my reply is different from the rest.

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